glenda beaver's pups?

[bildio]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Sure they're going to do well, because there are so many people that are uneducated about buying from pet stores. I would love to see all pet stores that sell dogs shut down!

I meant doing well from a complaint perspective.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Here is one of the threads, and when my head quits hurting, I'll look for more
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...tsa-la-gi.html

Within the GB - Pet Store Issue thread, I believe there are linked documented cases of GB and her boyfriend selling sick dogs they never took responsibility for, one was a yorkie with liver shunt, the other a Frenchie.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by jencar98

You are the ONE that first posted the YTCA code of ethics regarding consigning dogs to a pet store. I am the one that posted I didn't believe she was a YTCA member but nevertheless GB did consign to a pet store. Then YOU came back and posted the following:

She, however, didn't consign to the pet store.

To which I answered with the link showing a document where GB DID consign to a pet store. I was asking what more proof did you need to know that she DID consign to a pet store?

Remember I am not the one that brought the YTCA into this - YOU are! IF GB is a YTCA member she has violated their code of ethics. I said if she is not a YTCA member, that may be for a good reason - possibly she can not abide by their standards/code of ethics???

Her membership is key. If she is not a member, then whose code of ethics did she violate? If she is member other members may have violated the YTCA code of conduct.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Within the GB - Pet Store Issue thread, I believe there are linked documented cases of GB and her boyfriend selling sick dogs they never took responsibility for, one was a yorkie with liver shunt, the other a Frenchie.

As I recall, there was only one case. It wasn't one of Glenda's pups. The web site states that Glenda was going to notify her friend. We don't know any more.

[bjh]

I have no doubt that Glenda Beavers breeds beautiful dogs. Did she use poor judgment in shipping puppies for her long time friend....probably so.

One time about 20 years ago I had a friend come to me asking for money for an abortion. She was divorced with one child. I hesitantly gave her the money but now I have to live with the guilt the rest of my life that I contributed to the death of a child. If we all reflect back on our lives I am sure we all made choices that we regretted later. As a breeder I have made my share of mistakes. In the beginning I sold my puppies at 6 week and 7 weeks old. I started vaccinating at 6 weeks. I learned later these things were not wise and were frowned upon. I learned from my mistakes. We all do. Glenda Beavers may be regretting the mistakes she made. I am sure she knows now that her practices in helping a friend ship puppies are frowned upon by many. If someone chooses to not buy a puppy from her because of her past mistakes then that is their choice but if someone is looking for perfection in a breeder then I hate to say it but none are perfect. We all have made mistakes but most do not have them aired publicly.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by bildio

Her membership is key. If she is not a member, then whose code of ethics did she violate? If she is member other members may have violated the YTCA code of conduct.

I would suggest you go back and read. In one post you incorrectly stated GB did not consign to a pet store and YOU posted the YTCA code of ethics.

I provided the link to the document showing where GB DID consign to a pet store - to prove that you were wrong!

As to the last sentence of your above quoted post - it makes no sense - "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?"

[Susan123]

Originally Posted by bildio

Her membership is key. If she is not a member, then whose code of ethics did she violate? If she is member other members may have violated the YTCA code of conduct.

I would assume she is since a search turns up that she has dogs placed in YTCA shows. Colorado Specialty Not that it matters. There's corruption in most every organizations I'm sure.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by jencar98

I would suggest you go back and read. In one post you incorrectly stated GB did not consign to a pet store and YOU posted the YTCA code of ethics.

I provided the link to the document showing where GB DID consign to a pet store - to prove that you were wrong!

As to the last sentence of your above quoted post - it makes no sense - "What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?"

Not the point. She said that she shipped. I associate monetary gain with consignment. Some may not. If is not a member of the YTCA then its a moot point.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Susan123

I would assume she is since a search turns up that she has dogs placed in YTCA shows. Colorado Specialty Not that it matters. There's corruption in most every organizations I'm sure.

I'm not 100% certain you have to be a YTCA member to enter their shows. But you're right, it doesn't matter, as there is certainly corruption in most every organization.


And Bildio, it is not a moot point as to whether or not GB is a YTCA member. As I do believe any reputable breeder, regardless of their breed club affiliation would tell you what GB has done is not ethical.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by jencar98

I'm not 100% certain you have to be a YTCA member to enter their shows. But you're right, it doesn't matter, as there is certainly corruption in most every organization.


And Bildio, it is not a moot point as to whether or not GB is a YTCA member. As I do believe any reputable breeder, regardless of their breed club affiliation would tell you what GB has done is not ethical.

--- but, whose ethical standard is she beholding to?

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by bildio

--- but, whose ethical standard is she beholding to?

If she wants to consider herself or have others consider her a reputable breeder then she would follow what any reputable breeder would do and that is to not supply, ship, consign or sell puppies to a pet store.

[Lolasmom1211]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Here is one of the threads, and when my head quits hurting, I'll look for more
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...tsa-la-gi.html

I think the OP admitted her mistake and ended up being very happy with Glenda's dog.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by Lolasmom1211

I think the OP admitted her mistake and ended up being very happy with Glenda's dog.

That was indeed the case.

[bildio]

Originally Posted by jencar98

If she wants to consider herself or have others consider her a reputable breeder then she would follow what any reputable breeder would do and that is to not supply, ship, consign or sell puppies to a pet store.

She wasn't a member of YT at the time. She may not have known. If you're not on YT you are out of touch.

[Lolasmom1211]

Originally Posted by jencar98

If she wants to consider herself or have others consider her a reputable breeder then she would follow what any reputable breeder would do and that is to not supply, ship, consign or sell puppies to a pet store.

I consider her a very reputable breeder as do many others. I personally have not one, but two of her puppies and could not be happier.

Again, I will ask anyone that personally has one of Glenda's dogs and has had any problems or a negative experience to please post. Not someone that has "heard" or that has a freind who ....., but has first hand experience. Until then, we really don't know the whole story or the full circumstances of what transpired; I, for one, would feel terribly guilty for posting something negative about someone's livelihood without having ALL of the facts.