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Bianca · 03-20-2009, 02:38 PM

I would also say when someone makes a mistake we should or I SHOULD (need to be clear on my post now) forgive and always give another chance but I think if it was multiple times then something is wrong and I would agree that I would not consider her a reputable breeder and what she has done is wrong.
I don't think giving your experiences with breeders destroys their reputation, I think it gives options. I judge for myself, I wouldn't let anyone tell me what to think, but if the proof is there and it has been more than one time, I think I can draw my own conclusion

Susan123 · 03-20-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Glenda DID NOT sell any off HER puppies to a pet store. It was never made PERFECTLY clear, but she was doing friends a favor. This does not reflect on how great HER puppies are and what kind of breeder she is.

Actually it does reflect on what kind of breeder she is. Not only breeder, but an education yorkie owner. Even if she was helping someone shipping to petstores. I think it also says alot about a person supporting or defending those selling/shipping puppies to petstores. This has already been discussed....

jencar98 · 03-20-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Here's her words, from a previous thread:

I think we all have different standards on what's important in a breeder. Some people say they would never buy from a breeder who smokes; others say that they would never buy from a breeder who uses crates. These are their decisions, but I look for things, that are affecting the future of the breed, such as breeding to standard, and breeding healthy dogs. Humane breeding conditions are extremely important to me, and are the number one priority, for I would rather see a byb selling dogs that weren't to standard, than the puppy miller selling dogs that have kept in horrendous conditions. So we each make these decisions when we are looking for a breeder. I just think it's important to get the facts straight when we are discussing someone's breeding practices, and from reading this thread, I know many people thought she had sold her dogs to the pet store, and this simply wasn't true. To some of you this is a minor detail, but it isn't to me. It just seems to me if this is the worse thing she's done, she isn't all that bad. Truthfully, it isn't the fact that a pet store is selling puppies that outrages me, it the fact that most of these dogs come from puppy mills and that what outrages me. I'm all for people who have high standards when it comes to supporting quality breeders, I just think that there are so few perfect breeders out there and that we must put things into perspective.

Glenda was listed as the owner of these dogs on the official document that was linked in the previous thread.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/2353577-post59.html

Nancy1999 · 03-20-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jencar98

Glenda was listed as the owner of these dogs on the official document that was linked in the previous thread.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/2353577-post59.html

I don't wish to get nip picky but it does say consignor/owner. The definition of a consignor "is the person who delivers over or commits merchandise." I think she admitted this. Again, I'm am glad so many of you think this is wrong, I do too, it's just there are threads after threads on this, and people seem so outraged, yet no one seems to be bothered by what I consider far worse breeding practices, many of them committed by Yorkietalk breeders. I also believe that the longer you have been around, and the more "famous" you are, the more likely you will have been found to have made mistakes.

MindieRose · 03-20-2009, 04:00 PM

I suppose if it were me in her situation, I would have offered to sell the dogs for my friend if she didn't want to hassle with the whole process, so that way they could have at least been able to go to pre-screened good homes. Although that would almost make her a broker, she could have explained that she had saved them from going to a petstore.
I recently ripped into someone prematurely on craigslist because they had three 4 week old puppies that they were going to rehome in a couple of weeks. They said they got them from a pet store, and I thought they bought them at a pet store which is illegal in MI to sell a pup under 8 weeks, and I thought it seemed fishy. Turns out, they were dropped off at a petstore, and this lady rescued them, was taking care of them till they were alittle bigger and stronger, then finding good homes instead of letting them go to anyone. Glenda could have done something similar instead of letting them go to a pet store. Just makes it seem like she does not have the best interest of animals in mind. I am sure she has beautiful dogs that are probably healthy and all that since she seems to care about her quality and her lineage, but I don't know that she cares about the dogs themselves so much as she does her own personal recognition as a breeder, if that makes sense.

jencar98 · 03-20-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

, yet no one seems to be bothered by what I consider far worse breeding practices, many of them committed by Yorkietalk breeders. .

Oh I believe me, I get outraged over the breeding practices of many on YT. It's just that in the past, when you have tried to speak out against it, many times you're either ridiculed, deleted, reprimanded or in some cases suspended. As you can tell I'm not very good at keeping quiet when I'm passionate about a subject, so I avoid most of the breeding threads for fear of the above mentioned.

Btw, I still like you even though we are disagreeing on this subject!

Nancy1999 · 03-20-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jencar98

Oh I believe me, I get outraged over the breeding practices of many on YT. It's just that in the past, when you have tried to speak out against it, many times you're either ridiculed, deleted, reprimanded or in some cases suspended. As you can tell I'm not very good at keeping quiet when I'm passionate about a subject, so I avoid most of the breeding threads for fear of the above mentioned.

Btw, I still like you even though we are disagreeing on this subject!

Lol, I love anyone who has higher standards than I do, and even a few with lower standards.

Nikki+2 · 03-20-2009, 05:02 PM

Wow, I just read all 18 pages of the other thread... I'm almost speechless. Almost... I am actually beyond shocked to see how many people vehemently defended someone who admitted to sending young puppies multiple times to a pet store. Those are the facts straight from her mouth. The justification is they weren't her puppies, and she didn't do it for profit... Well, so what! I bet those poor puppies she sent didn't care if she was their breeder or if she took money- they still ended up in a pet store.

I am horrified to see people- yorkie lovers- defending this.

jp4m2 · 03-20-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki+2

Wow, I just read all 18 pages of the other thread... I'm almost speechless. Almost... I am actually beyond shocked to see how many people vehemently defended someone who admitted to sending young puppies multiple times to a pet store. Those are the facts straight from her mouth. The justification is they weren't her puppies, and she didn't do it for profit... Well, so what! I bet those poor puppies she sent didn't care if she was their breeder or if she took money- they still ended up in a pet store.

I am horrified to see people- yorkie lovers- defending this.

Funny isn't it.....sometimes it's not what you do it's who you are that matters to some people....

Brooklynn · 03-20-2009, 06:01 PM

And this is why I don't get involved in the breeding section anymore LOL...better to be quiet and read and only respond to other threads than to be crucified and hung out to dry....I have my standards as a breeder and if someone inquires with me and I don't think your the right person I refuse to place and I'm sure there are many that wouldn't want a pup from me because of my standards and requirements but that's quite ok with me

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

yorkiekist · 03-20-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Susan123

Actually it does reflect on what kind of breeder she is. Not only breeder, but an education yorkie owner. Even if she was helping someone shipping to petstores. I think it also says alot about a person supporting or defending those selling/shipping puppies to petstores. This has already been discussed....

How does it make any of her puppies any less healthy,or not to the standard? How does this make her any less an educated, knowlegable breeder? None of this changes the fact that Glenda has great dogs and she stands by her dogs. She has been a reputable breeder for many, many years and her show record supports how good her dogs are. If I were looking for another dog, a healthy one that actually looks like the breed standard, for show or pet, I wouldnt have any problems buying one from her. And yes, this has already been discussed. So why then is it being hashed and re-hashed again? And why did you feel it necessary to respond to my post?

Reese1 · 03-21-2009, 03:45 AM

The fact of the matter is people have a right to say I wouldn't support this breeder because I don't agree with her actions. They have a right to say I wouldn't turn hard earned money over to her for a puppy because they disagree with actions she has taken.
We have a right to support or not support a breeder, business, person, etc... when we don't agree with their actions, practices, etc.... Thank goodness we still have the right to do that!
I'm sure she has beautiful dogs and puppies, I tend to think most dogs and puppies are beautiful, that isn't the point for me personally. The point for me is we have choices and I hope that people will make informed, educated choices and do what you feel is right and what you are comfortable with.
Any type of dealings with pet stores can be a very black or white issue with alot of people and I'm comfortable with saying it is for me!

Bianca · 03-21-2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Reese1

The fact of the matter is people have a right to say I wouldn't support this breeder because I don't agree with her actions. They have a right to say I wouldn't turn hard earned money over to her for a puppy because they disagree with actions she has taken.
We have a right to support or not support a breeder, business, person, etc... when we don't agree with their actions, practices, etc.... Thank goodness we still have the right to do that!
I'm sure she has beautiful dogs and puppies, I tend to think most dogs and puppies are beautiful, that isn't the point for me personally. The point for me is we have choices and I hope that people will make informed, educated choices and do what you feel is right and what you are comfortable with.
Any type of dealings with pet stores can be a very black or white issue with alot of people and I'm comfortable with saying it is for me!

Great post, totally agree!!

Susan123 · 03-21-2009, 04:45 AM

HELLO...breeders should not supply puppies to pet stores. I'll reply to any post I want that is on a public forum, thank you.

Bianca · 03-21-2009, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Susan123

HELLO...breeders should not supply puppies to pet stores. I'll reply to any post I want that is on a public forum, thank you.

Totally agree with you too.
I hate it when people think they are the only ones with a voice, we all have one whether we agree or not.

(not referring to anyone just agreeing with that statement)

03-20-2009, 04:00 PM	#50
MindieRose Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,280	I suppose if it were me in her situation, I would have offered to sell the dogs for my friend if she didn't want to hassle with the whole process, so that way they could have at least been able to go to pre-screened good homes. Although that would almost make her a broker, she could have explained that she had saved them from going to a petstore. I recently ripped into someone prematurely on craigslist because they had three 4 week old puppies that they were going to rehome in a couple of weeks. They said they got them from a pet store, and I thought they bought them at a pet store which is illegal in MI to sell a pup under 8 weeks, and I thought it seemed fishy. Turns out, they were dropped off at a petstore, and this lady rescued them, was taking care of them till they were alittle bigger and stronger, then finding good homes instead of letting them go to anyone. Glenda could have done something similar instead of letting them go to a pet store. Just makes it seem like she does not have the best interest of animals in mind. I am sure she has beautiful dogs that are probably healthy and all that since she seems to care about her quality and her lineage, but I don't know that she cares about the dogs themselves so much as she does her own personal recognition as a breeder, if that makes sense. __________________ Proud Mommy of Gavin, Ethan, Morgan, Nia, Olivia, and Kiana and baby #7! Also Mommy to furkids: Cleo ,Lola, Lilly Appletini, and Diesel. and Sunny, Ethan's Golden therapy dog in training.

03-20-2009, 05:02 PM	#53
Nikki+2 I heart Sugar Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 7,373	Wow, I just read all 18 pages of the other thread... I'm almost speechless. Almost... I am actually beyond shocked to see how many people vehemently defended someone who admitted to sending young puppies multiple times to a pet store. Those are the facts straight from her mouth. The justification is they weren't her puppies, and she didn't do it for profit... Well, so what! I bet those poor puppies she sent didn't care if she was their breeder or if she took money- they still ended up in a pet store. I am horrified to see people- yorkie lovers- defending this. __________________ "If you have men who will exclude any of God’s creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men." — St. Francis of Assisi, 1181-1226 Last edited by Nikki+2; 03-20-2009 at 05:03 PM.

03-21-2009, 03:45 AM	#57
Reese1 Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,304	The fact of the matter is people have a right to say I wouldn't support this breeder because I don't agree with her actions. They have a right to say I wouldn't turn hard earned money over to her for a puppy because they disagree with actions she has taken. We have a right to support or not support a breeder, business, person, etc... when we don't agree with their actions, practices, etc.... Thank goodness we still have the right to do that! I'm sure she has beautiful dogs and puppies, I tend to think most dogs and puppies are beautiful, that isn't the point for me personally. The point for me is we have choices and I hope that people will make informed, educated choices and do what you feel is right and what you are comfortable with. Any type of dealings with pet stores can be a very black or white issue with alot of people and I'm comfortable with saying it is for me! __________________ Crosley Wrigley Camden

03-20-2009, 02:38 PM	#46
Bianca No Longer a Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York Posts: 761	I would also say when someone makes a mistake we should or I SHOULD (need to be clear on my post now) forgive and always give another chance but I think if it was multiple times then something is wrong and I would agree that I would not consider her a reputable breeder and what she has done is wrong. I don't think giving your experiences with breeders destroys their reputation, I think it gives options. I judge for myself, I wouldn't let anyone tell me what to think, but if the proof is there and it has been more than one time, I think I can draw my own conclusion

03-20-2009, 06:01 PM	#55
Brooklynn Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,280	And this is why I don't get involved in the breeding section anymore LOL...better to be quiet and read and only respond to other threads than to be crucified and hung out to dry....I have my standards as a breeder and if someone inquires with me and I don't think your the right person I refuse to place and I'm sure there are many that wouldn't want a pup from me because of my standards and requirements but that's quite ok with me Donna Bird Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

03-21-2009, 04:45 AM	#59
Susan123 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,455	HELLO...breeders should not supply puppies to pet stores. I'll reply to any post I want that is on a public forum, thank you.