glenda beaver's pups?

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by bildio

Vet inspection certificate shows 11 weeks.

I'm thinking if you go to the one thread, the one certificate showed they were like 8 weeks on the friends pups that were sent. I may be mistaken, but, I was thinking that's what was on there.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Misti1

You have one serious ax to grind don't you....I was dying to get her, but I had to wait until she was well old enough to leave home.

I'm just trying to figure out what you wrote up above. You said Glenda is a responsible breeder and you couldn't get the pup until 13 weeks. You said she was born in May and you didn't get her until the end of July. Well, to be 13 weeks, then she would have had to have been born may 1st and gotten the 31st. And you had to wait until she was WELL to get her? What was wrong with her? Just trying to follow the story

[jrsygal37]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Glenda was listed as the owner of these dogs on the official document that was linked in the previous thread.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/2353577-post59.html

And, I still have the copies that were sent to me in my computer backing this up. Elaine.

[jrsygal37]

Also, to clarify: There were MANY shipments and most if not all were only eight weeks old in which at least two had just had recent hernia operations. I'll say it again. It does not matter whether they were from her breeding stock or not. She chose to involve herself and should be held accountable for her actions. It doesn't matter to me whether she breeds beautiful pups or not. In my eyes I would never buy from someone that is involved in any way with a puppymill trade and pups supplied to petstores come from mills. Elaine

[Misti1]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

I'm just trying to figure out what you wrote up above. You said Glenda is a responsible breeder and you couldn't get the pup until 13 weeks. You said she was born in May and you didn't get her until the end of July. Well, to be 13 weeks, then she would have had to have been born may 1st and gotten the 31st. And you had to wait until she was WELL to get her? What was wrong with her? Just trying to follow the story

LISTEN LADY, and HEAR ME VERY CAREFULLY THERE WAS NOT ONE THING WRONG WITH MAYA.....the well meant TIME WISE as in weened, ready to leave mama, not little anymore, socially and emotionally ready to leave home...WELL GROWN...maybe it's just my SOUtern way of saying things.....but these two threads have sorely grieved me. To fiddle (another southern term), with the livilihood and good reputation of another person as has been done on this board to Glenda DISGUSTS me.

My baby was healthy as a horse from the day I picked her up. She is a delight, and joy and, as my daughter said "Mom, you have finally found your perfect yorkie."

If I may be off on her age by one week, than so be it. It seemed like an eternity to me I had to wait to come for her, and GLenda would NOT let me have her until the time was right. The important thing is she was not 4,6,8,eve, 10 weeks old, much older, not taken from her family too young, like PUPPY MILLS DO.

My girlfriend who is a PROFESSIONAL VET kept Maya for me when I went out of town, and she AND her husband and children said they have never seen a better dog with a better personality and temperament. When Maya walks, you can see champion blood line all over her, it's like she's in a show ring.

As for this puppy shipping stuff, I believe Glenda, they weren't hers, as to whether or not she should have done it for a friend....lordy I can't tell you the things I have done for friends (including put my life in jeopardy), and some of these things were foolish, but these are my friends....

Listen I am out of this thread after this post, don't direct any more questions my way about me or my child....I'm finished with this sorted mess.

[SRD]

I've just read every post in this thread, and OMG, I don't even know where to start!

to me, Glenda is a reputable breeder. yes, she did help with a few puppy store shipments, yes, that was awefully wrong regardless what her intention was. but she did realize what she did was wrong and wouldn't do again in the future. and we are talking about a show breeder that has been consistantly producing up to standards yorkies for many years/striving to better the breed, doesn't she deserve forgiveness?? many of the YTers here have purchased dogs from puppystores, thus supported puppy mill, so are you gonna tell me just because they were so wrong that they shouldn't own dogs anymore? we are humans, we all make mistakes and most of us deserve forgiveness!

I got my girl Dolly from her 3 years ago, and she is perfect in every way. so many YTer has pmed me about her and wanting her breeder info, and the ones did get their pups from her are super happy. isn't quality your primary concern (not just health) when you are looking for a puppy? Glenda not only has one of two quality pups, she produces quality with CONSISTANCY, which is something very hard to achieve and doesn't happen overnight. obviously she cared about the breed very much, and to me, helping a friend with some shipments to puppy store just cannot erease all of that!

before I got Dolly from Glenda, I've been looking for a yorkie for over a year, there are many yorkie breeders out there, but few has a puppy up to my expectation. many YTer have recommended breeders to me. there were quite a few of them, as soon as I got on their websites, other than available pups, I can see "we support rescue...." "no puppymill" "no teacups" screaming across the home page. I have no doubt that these statements are true and they care about the well being of pups, but to me, these statements are also advertisements trying to scream out: buy from me, Im a reputable breeder! when I look at their dams/sires (the first thing I do when Im looking for a breeder), they are no where close to the breed standards, super thin hair, super long nose, disproportioned body, you name it! and thats the end of story, I didn't even bother to look at the pups. its the same as Iams are doing so many good things to build their relationship with the community, but to me, its all about advertising, if they really care about pups, put in some premium ingridents in their food.

quality is the only valid advertisement and if you don't have pups up to standards, you are not reputable to me. and Glenda is a reputable breeder, her pups can speak for themselves.

I just want to voice out my opionion, not interested in arguments. that being said, this will be my first and last post in this thread!

[livingdustmops]

I guess I am just amazed at this thread. My gosh people, in my book this is all about ethics and we are our brothers keepers. Have any of you thought about the dogs that were sold to the pet store..what kind of life do you think they have? Might be good and might be bad but I am sorry, you cannot look away and think this is alright. I could give many examples of people looking the other way because it didn't affect them.

I know it is tough when you believe in someone to find out they have done something that is wrong but if you truly care for the animals and not just yours you cannot justify these actions.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by SRD

I've just read every post in this thread, and OMG, I don't even know where to start!

to me, Glenda is a reputable breeder. yes, she did help with a few puppy store shipments, yes, that was awefully wrong regardless what her intention was. but she did realize what she did was wrong and wouldn't do again in the future. and we are talking about a show breeder that has been consistantly producing up to standards yorkies for many years/striving to better the breed, doesn't she deserve forgiveness?? many of the YTers here have purchased dogs from puppystores, thus supported puppy mill, so are you gonna tell me just because they were so wrong that they shouldn't own dogs anymore? we are humans, we all make mistakes and most of us deserve forgiveness!

I got my girl Dolly from her 3 years ago, and she is perfect in every way. so many YTer has pmed me about her and wanting her breeder info, and the ones did get their pups from her are super happy. isn't quality your primary concern (not just health) when you are looking for a puppy? Glenda not only has one of two quality pups, she produces quality with CONSISTANCY, which is something very hard to achieve and doesn't happen overnight. obviously she cared about the breed very much, and to me, helping a friend with some shipments to puppy store just cannot erease all of that!

before I got Dolly from Glenda, I've been looking for a yorkie for over a year, there are many yorkie breeders out there, but few has a puppy up to my expectation. many YTer have recommended breeders to me. there were quite a few of them, as soon as I got on their websites, other than available pups, I can see "we support rescue...." "no puppymill" "no teacups" screaming across the home page. I have no doubt that these statements are true and they care about the well being of pups, but to me, these statements are also advertisements trying to scream out: buy from me, Im a reputable breeder! when I look at their dams/sires (the first thing I do when Im looking for a breeder), they are no where close to the breed standards, super thin hair, super long nose, disproportioned body, you name it! and thats the end of story, I didn't even bother to look at the pups. its the same as Iams are doing so many good things to build their relationship with the community, but to me, its all about advertising, if they really care about pups, put in some premium ingridents in their food.

quality is the only valid advertisement and if you don't have pups up to standards, you are not reputable to me. and Glenda is a reputable breeder, her pups can speak for themselves.

I just want to voice out my opionion, not interested in arguments. that being said, this will be my first and last post in this thread!

Go above to search, type in Glenda Beavers, there is a thread on there(think it was where there were over 200 responses), there was proof(documentation) there was more than just one time, that this woman shipped puppies to pet stores.

[bildio]

Glenda admitted shipping someone else’s pups to a friend that owns a pet store. I don’t recall Glenda stating that she did something wrong. If she belongs to the YTCA, she did not violate their code of ethics which states.

“Puppies will not be sold or consigned to pet stores, agents, or other commercial enterprises nor sold to disreputable breeders, and neither puppies nor stud services will be offered as prizes or for raffles.”

I think it is clear that she shipped, but did not sell or consign.

The YTCA code of conduct states that,

”A member shall not defame another member nor seek to impair a member’s reputation, provided, however, a member shall report any serious situation that is detrimental to the breed or is inconsistent with these principles.” I interpret “report” as “report to the YTCA”, & not to a public forum like Yorkie Talk.

The pet store got an A+ rating by the Better Business Bureau. A+ is their highest rating. I’m not condoning breeders selling to pet stores, but offering this information as an indicator that the pup’s may have gotten good homes.

Puppy mills are bad, pet stores that get pups from puppy mills are bad, pet stores that don't screen potential buyers are bad.

[jrsygal37]

Irregardless of whether the petstore got an A+ rating and irregardless of whether they were Glenda's pups or not and aside from the fact they were shipped to a petstore. Looking beyond that THEY WERE SHIPPED AT 8 WEEKS OLD AND SOME RIGHT AFTER HERNIA SURGERY. You find that alright, just because this store has an A + rating and just because they weren't Glenda's pups or may have gotten a good home (Which you really do not know for sure is the case)? I find it disgusting that someone that supposedly loves the breed, would endanger these young babies for the sake of a $$. Are you all saying that because they weren't from her great breeding stock that their lives aren't worth as much? In my book whether it's a show dog or a mutt in the pound their lives are equal. Elaine

[jencar98]

[quote=bildio;2535164]Glenda admitted shipping someone else’s pups to a friend that owns a pet store. I don’t recall Glenda stating that she did something wrong. If she belongs to the YTCA, she did not violate their code of ethics which states.

“Puppies will not be sold or consigned to pet stores, agents, or other commercial enterprises nor sold to disreputable breeders, and neither puppies nor stud services will be offered as prizes or for raffles.”

I think it is clear that she shipped, but did not sell or consign.

The YTCA code of conduct states that,

”A member shall not defame another member nor seek to impair a member’s reputation, provided, however, a member shall report any serious situation that is detrimental to the breed or is inconsistent with these principles.” I interpret “report” as “report to the YTCA”, & not to a public forum like Yorkie Talk.

The pet store got an A+ rating by the Better Business Bureau. A+ is their highest rating. I’m not condoning breeders selling to pet stores, but offering this information as an indicator that the pup’s may have gotten good homes.




The key word in the YTCA code of ethics, that would apply to Glenda, if she were a YTCA member is consigned. The State of Okla. paperwork linked to clearly lists Glenda as the "Consignor" of the puppies. So - YES - if she were a YTCA member she would be in violation of their code of ethics. However, I'm not sure she is even a YTCA member, their site doesn't list her as an Oklahoma breeder, on their referral list. Maybe, there is a good reason for that!


QUOTE]Puppy mills are bad, pet stores that get pups from puppy mills are bad, pet stores that don't screen potential buyers are bad.QUOTE] I would add to this: And, breeders that supply puppies - any puppies to a pet store are bad!

[bildio]

Originally Posted by jrsygal37

Irregardless of whether the petstore got an A+ rating and irregardless of whether they were Glenda's pups or not and aside from the fact they were shipped to a petstore. Looking beyond that THEY WERE SHIPPED AT 8 WEEKS OLD AND SOME RIGHT AFTER HERNIA SURGERY. You find that alright, just because this store has an A + rating and just because they weren't Glenda's pups or may have gotten a good home (Which you really do not know for sure is the case)? I find it disgusting that someone that supposedly loves the breed, would endanger these young babies for the sake of a $$. Are you all saying that because they weren't from her great breeding stock that their lives aren't worth as much? In my book whether it's a show dog or a mutt in the pound their lives are equal. Elaine

Where's the paper that says 8 weeks? I saw a paper with 11 weeks, but I know there were other papers. Not saying you are wrong.

I don't find any of this thread all right, except the direct answers to the OP's question.

Regardless, what code of ethics or law or otherwise did Glenda violate? Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning puppy mills, pet stores that get pups from puppy mills, or pet stores that don't screen potential buyers. I'm supporting reasonableness & fairness.

Are you a member of the YTCA?

[bildio]

[quote=jencar98;2535220]

Originally Posted by bildio

“Puppies will not be sold or consigned to pet stores, agents, or other commercial enterprises nor sold to disreputable breeders, and neither puppies nor stud services will be offered as prizes or for raffles.”

The key word in the YTCA code of ethics, that would apply to Glenda, if she were a YTCA member is consigned. The State of Okla. paperwork linked to clearly lists Glenda as the "Consignor" of the puppies. So - YES - if she were a YTCA member she would be in violation of their code of ethics. However, I'm not sure she is even a YTCA member, their site doesn't list her as an Oklahoma breeder, on their referral list. Maybe, there is a good reason for that!

She, however, didn't consign to the pet store.

[Lolasmom1211]

I have replied to a thread similar to this one in the past ~ I can speak to this from experience from buying a puppy from Glenda and buying from a broker, all within one year.

I found my Lola in March of last year upon the recommendation of friends. I think I was probably your typical "pet" buyer. I had no experience with Yorkie Talk, I didn't even know this sight existed...We drove for about an hour outside of Houston to look at Yorkie puppies and there was Lola - tiny and beautiful and I fell in love. After I got Lola, I found this site and have learned so much. I learned that the people that I had bought Lola from were "brokers" and I had no idea where Lola had really come from....As much as I loved Lola, it seemed like she missed having another puppy to play with, so I began to do my homework on finding a reputable breeder on Yorkie Talk. All I ever read, at that time, were wonderful praises about Glenda Beaver and her puppies. I contacted Glenda and after several lenghthy coversations with her, purchased a male from her in 8/08. We named him Harley and even bought another male for my daughter from Glenda in 11/08. All that I can tell you is that the two males we purchased from Glenda Beaver have been the most perfect, healthy little puppies I have ever been around. They are happy, well adjusted, have hearty appetites, are friendly, social, and not to mention, the most absolute beautiful little males you have ever seen.....and believe me, I do know the difference. I have just returned from flying my female, Lola, to Dr Tobias at University of Tennessee. She had a liver shunt and it was also discovered that she had luxating patella in both knees....This was the female I had bought from a broker in the Houston area, so you see, I personally do know the difference! After many thousands of dollars, liver shunt surgery and many tears later, there is NO QUESTION about the quality of Glenda Beaver' s puppies. She breeds QUALITY!

Forgive my ignorance and inexperience, like I said I am faily new at all of this Yorkie stuff. I don't profess to be a expert by any means, but isn't the main complaint with puppy mills the way that the puppys are kept during their life, their quality of life, their puppies being taken from them too young, and the transport of the puppies after they are born? Glenda certainly has above standard living areas for her dogs and is certainly not transporting them across the country in nasty, dirty, horrible trucks. She is not ripping them away from their mothers at a young age. Regarding shipping after hernia surgery, would the vet or airline have certified them fit to fly if they were not? I know I had to have a health certificate to fly Lola both to and from her surgery in Tennessee. Unless there was some conspiracy between the vet, Glenda and the airlines, I don't know how that would be possible. How someone can even compare her to puppy mills, seems uneducated and ignorant to me. It reeks of envy and jealousy for her success in breeding the dogs that she does. They are perfect little Yorkies. If you are trying to say that all breeders on Yorkie Talk or elsewhere "screen" each of their potential buyers to make sure that they are placing them in a perfect home, I just don't believe that. I think some may, but not all, and a lot of times these little puppies are bought as gifts for others...how do you screen for that. I think everyone is doing the best they can and unless there is obvious, first hand abuse(such as puppy mills) maybe, just maybe, some should reserve judgement. I know I am getting off topic, but I like the others that personally have one (or two) of Glenda's puppies, do not understand the vicious, judgemental attitude of some towards her. As I have said before, I think Glenda will survive this latest attack also...her product stands on it's own. There is a chance that if Glenda did ship to an A rated pet store that just possibly that they had a pre-screened client that they were buying for...how do we know what the circumstances were? It certainly does not sound ideal, but I can vouch that I innocently went with the best intentions to buy what I thought was the perfect Yorkie back in March of last year when I got my sick, little female....if only I had gotten one of Glenda's dog's first...how much easier this road would have been. I hesitate to even post this because I am sure that I will be met with such anger and wrath, but I do feel the need to pass on my personal experience. If someone that has had a negative PERSONAL experience with one of Glenda's dogs were to post, maybe then these posts would not seem so politically motivated...I just have never, ever seen anyone that has personally bought one of her dogs EVER post one negative thing about her or her dogs.

I just remember what my mother always reminded me ~ "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone".....

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by bildio

She, however, didn't consign to the pet store.

Then just WHO did she consign the puppies to? Is this not her name (Glenda's) on the document linked, is it not Puppy Love (the pet store) listed by name on the same document. What more proof do you need?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/2353577-post59.html