glenda beaver's pups?

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

So, why were you so upset that all I did was ask a question? I said how do you know she's not a puppymill? Since when did asking a question make me a terrible person? I didn't come out and say she's a puppymill, I said has anyone ever been to her kennel.

I didnt say you were a terrible person! We just dont agree somethimes.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I am totally shocked by this, and frankly confused. You seem to think it's perfectly acceptable for a breeder to sell their dogs over the Internet and through such places as puppy find. What is the difference between these places and a pet stores?

I personally think the difference between advertising on the internet, puppyfind and the pet stores is the breeders advertising on the web can still screen the buyers of their puppies to make sure they go to good homes, pet stores do not.

Sorry about the long sentence.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

Most of us are not your neighbors' so we would not know who your
talking about! If you know he is a byb and his pups live in fifth why
are you not reporting him, may I ask?

I have gone to the police station in that town and reported him many times and he is MORE than a byb....LOTs bigger...And you do know him...I have to watch what I say and do because of threats...

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

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My question was has anyone ever been to her place? And, as far as prices, and having a lot of breeding dogs, no, she's no better than Jeff Dane. The only thing they do differently, is I don't think he ships dogs to pet stores. Sorry, I just have no use for anyone that loves yorkies and could help a friend ship pups(and them only being 8 weeks), if she had done it one time, yeah, then it was a mistake and could have been forgiven, but, to do it more than once, well, NO, there is NO excuse for that, it's very wrong!

Ther are alot of top breeders that have many, many dogs. I see nothing wrong with that if they are doing their homework in their breeding plans and treating their dogs great.(vet care, food,socialization, etc). As for pricing, that is up to the breeder only. Price depends on lots of factors, not what the market dictates.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

There use to be smaller pet stores, and I believe at one time, these pet stores did buy from local small breeders. As pet stores became national, they also contracted out to larger commercial breeders. I'm not against commercial breeders as long as the kennel conditions are good/great, they are breeding to standard, and they do health screening. I'm against people buying any dog without going to the kennels. I am also against breeders selling a dog without thoroughly investigating buyers.

How do you know which people on puppyfind are not puppy mills? How do you know they are not a brokers for puppy mills? There just seems to be a huge double standard.

You do your homework! I bought from someone on puppyfind, she is an excellent breeder and is also in another forum I'm on. Everyone on here says don't buy if you can't go see the pups, well how many people on this forum have boughten from Glenda and have ever been to her kennels? Probably none. So, therefore, everyone is buying from her off her website. I guess I do have a problem with commercial breeders. You tell me how these dogs can have a life when they're in cages producing all their lives? I think that alone is disgusting! I think all dogs(not just yorkies) should be loved and pet and taken care of and not just used to breed. This is why I won't breed more than 1 or 2 at a time. I want them to still be part of my family, and when I'm done breeding, the dog will be spayed and will stay right here with me

[Susan123]

If she did ship for friends at Puppy Love as a favor, I wonder what the allegations on a different website that she sold to Laughlin (post #132), a puppymill in Massachussetts were about. Does she have friend there also?

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

I didnt say you were a terrible person! We just dont agree somethimes.

I know you didn't, everyone is an individual and has a right to their own opinion. Doesn't make me not like you any less just because we disagree. Having a little dog in a cage all it's life just having babies and not knowing anything but being in a cage, just breaks my heart

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by Susan123

If she did ship for friends at Puppy Love as a favor, I wonder what the allegations on a different website that she sold to Laughlin (post #132), a puppymill in Massachussetts were about. Does she have friend there also?

Doesnt it start out with "I am told". Sounds like hear-say to me. But Glenda is only a phone call away. Why dont you do the logical thing and call her up. Dig all the info you can out of her so you can post it.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Doesnt it start out with "I am told". Sounds like hear-say to me. But Glenda is only a phone call away. Why dont you do the logical thing and call her up. Dig all the info you can out of her so you can post it.

[Susan123]

I'm sure she would stick to her story that she has already posted regarding shipping puppies to petstores to be bought by God knows who. She admitted it, get over it already.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Breeze

I personally think the difference between advertising on the internet, puppyfind and the pet stores is the breeders advertising on the web can still screen the buyers of their puppies to make sure they go to good homes, pet stores do not.

Sorry about the long sentence.

I know many websites give out an "adoption papers" to fill out, but how many really refuse customers? I think this just gives buyers a false sense of security that they are buying from a quality breeder. Now that people aren't buying so much from pet stores, the Internet has become the way the millers can sell their dogs. I believe the only way to ensure that you are buying from a good breeder is to check out for yourself the conditions in which the dogs are being raised.

[peanut]

I am so shocked at all of this, have you guys not said enough to damage her, I haven't been to her kennels, but I was told anytime I want to come there I could, NO I don't have a dog from her and I have my reasons, NO I don't like the fact she help her friend ship her puppies to a pet store, but MY LORD don't you think you have judged her enough. I can't believe some of you will jump on anyone at a heart beat, I am not taking up for her, but do you really think continuing with this BS is helping YT. People can read and see what has already been said and they can make the decision on whether or not to buy from her. I really am not trying to be ugly here, but to say what some have said and comparing to some, Get your heart and mind in the right place people. We are here to help each other, and share about yorkies, not to rip people apart to little pieces, there is another place on line thats good for that. It only takes one time to hurt someones reputation. I don't know her personally, I have talked to her, and decide not to buy one, and I will not answer why, because I will not be the person to ruin her or suggest things, only person that I know can judge anyone is God.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by peanut

I am so shocked at all of this, have you guys not said enough to damage her, I haven't been to her kennels, but I was told anytime I want to come there I could, NO I don't have a dog from her and I have my reasons, NO I don't like the fact she help her friend ship her puppies to a pet store, but MY LORD don't you think you have judged her enough. I can't believe some of you will jump on anyone at a heart beat, I am not taking up for her, but do you really think continuing with this BS is helping YT. People can read and see what has already been said and they can make the decision on whether or not to buy from her. I really am not trying to be ugly here, but to say what some have said and comparing to some, Get your heart and mind in the right place people. We are here to help each other, and share about yorkies, not to rip people apart to little pieces, there is another place on line thats good for that. It only takes one time to hurt someones reputation. I don't know her personally, I have talked to her, and decide not to buy one, and I will not answer why, because I will not be the person to ruin her or suggest things, only person that I know can judge anyone is God.

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[Lolasmom1211]

Glenda's dogs are not kept in cages all of the time...that is obvious. She shows most of the time. Dogs that are kept in cages and not taken care of do not look like her champions...this thread is just getting silly now. There are ridiculous allegations being made - to try to compare Glenda Beavers to Jeff Dane is both ignorant and silly and not even worth responding to.

You all need to figure out what your agenda is...is it to stop puppy mills - if so, I don't think you start with Glenda Beavers. If it is to try to ruin her reputation, you all have given it quite a shot, but that's been done before, too. Like I have said before, over and over, let someone that has dealt with her first hand come forward and tell us something negative...or better yet, just let the people that show with her, that know her and her dogs even comment...but to take 2nd hand what others have found and dug up and try to crucify her and try to pretend it's because they care more or have better morals than the rest of us is just ridiculous. ....like I've said in an earlier post
~"let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".....because boy, there sure is alot of stone throwing going on here!!!

[bildio]

Originally Posted by phfgkl

Lissette, that's Jeff Dane, he's a puppymill for sure and I'm asking how anyone knows this Glenda Beaver isn't? I asked if anyone has ever been to her kennels?

How do we know she isn't. Easy. No one has first hand knowledge that she is. I believe one of the earlier poster's went to her place to pick up her pup, & the review was favorable.