Parti confussion?????

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

This wasn't a trick question, and you have offered many excellent suggestions. I'm referring to specific questions one should ask a Parti breeder, you have said many times that there are some poor parti breeders, and I thought you could offer tips on how to select a responsible parti breeder. In this post you indicate you interviewed three parti breeders. What was the question you asked to inquire about the deafness? You say you found no incidence of deafness, what question did you ask? Do you mean to say you should only ask, "Are there any health conditions that are associated wsith (sic) the parti yorkies"




There are generic questions we should ask of every breeder, but there are certain questions, one should ask relating to that specific breed, and since a parti is not part of the standard, it would seem that there would be specific questions to ask the parti breeder. This would seem even more important if purchasing the dog as breeding stock.

Concerning the question, "Are there any health conditions that are associated wsith (sic) the parti yorkies"?

What is the answer a person should hear to help them decide?

This was one of my questions.

Are there any health conditions that are associated wsith the parti yorkies that are not common with the traditional yorkie


No matter how I respomnd to this, It is going to be wrong in someones eyes, and there are a few that will twist it to make it wrong.

I answered you question.

As for the deafness. since there is no greater incidence of deafness in the parti color than there is in the traditional color, I see no reason to address the issue separately.

I did not indicate how many people I spoke to about the deafness. but the answer was 100% there has been no deafness in my line of yorkies.

I'm sorry dfdif you all are dissappointed with the answerd. But NO there has been no deafness associated with parti colored yorkies.

If it ever happens, we will address the issue.

Before te parti yorkie became weel know, did all the show breeders ask the breeders that they purchfased from if there had ever been parti colored puppies born in their line.

I am quessing NO they did not because it was not a known issue.

For those of you who are married with children

Before you choose a mate and had children did you have him tested for genetic defects. Certainly potential children deserve the same caution you would use for potential puppies.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom

ok.......this is JMO......but in reading the facts......and one of them being that there has not be any more evidence of deafness in partis than in standards.......i would say that is not a question to ask or to info to volunteer necessarily........the main question that i would think you would be appropriate in asking or informing some one about would be why they are who or what they are............because all in all from what i have seen with health issues of both the standard and the parti.......they both either have them or have risks of having them.............a question that i think would be appropriate to ask a parti breeder is what makes them not be to the YTCA standard........and if the breeder cant answer a simple question and yes if you are gonna breed them then it should be a simple question to ask...then you shouldnt be breeding them.......dont breed any breed of dog or cat or any animal as far as that goes if you dont know about that specific animal and it's breed.............we all love our animals and want the best in life for them.........just get yourself as informed as you can wether you are a pet owner or a breeder

Good point! Should we have to go down the entire list of potential dog ailments and tell people that yorkies are not know to have these or should we just discuss those that they are know to have.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Thank you for your post on this!
I know the Yorkie as a whole has alot of health issues and responsible breeders have dealt with them and breeding knowledge has definately improved over the 100+ years of Yorkie breeding. But what I am trying to say is that you may have 5 generations of partis. But they are inbred in the fact that the only parti gene every dog goes back to is one Nikko dog. You are quadrupleing up on one dogs genes only because of the color he can produce. And when only one trait(color) is bred for alot of other traits, desirable or undesirable, are left unchecked or may not be as important to the breeder. By continually purposely breeding in the parti gene, you are more likely to get bilateral or unilateral deafness, and unilateral cant be detected unless you BAER test. So, how do you know that you havent produced it?
Maybe this is an issue that you can discuss with your members and testing is a way to insure that you are, in fact, breeding beautiful healthy dogs. Maybe you can include a health problem page to your web-site that include all health related problems to the Yorkie and suggest that all members do testing for Lp, LS, LP, BAER, etc. It definately couldnt hurt and the parti breed would be healthier for it. JMO

Yes Sue is very intelligent.

Funny how we can both say the same thing and one is a genius and the other an idiot.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I just want to know what's wrong with the standard yorkie ie...blue and gold?? If you want a yorkie then why not want what they are suppose to look like? If you want something with color go with the Biewer? They are doing studies with the Biewer and trying to establish their own breed "away" from the yorkshire terrier. I guess being a standard yorkie show breeder I guess I just don't get why you would want to breed away from what a yorkie should look like and the breed standard whether or not if you agree with the YTCA...
I'm not bashing anyone...I have friends on here with Parti's even tho they know I disagree we are still friends and converse civilally on the subject.
And to think I wasn't going to say anything LOL...
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Oh oh now you blew it. refer to post #407

If you want to know why we do it and why we don't just buy a Biewer, please go back and read the last 406 posts.

We're not going to go through this entired discussion all over again.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I can tell you what some new breeders have told me. They live in states where the competition on pet quality yorkies is very high. Their breeding stock is generally pet quality, and they cannot sell their yorkies for even $500.00. They are getting pitched by some Parti breeders to add a "carrier " to their line, and once they start producing partis they can sell their offspring for as much as a show breeders dog or even more. This is very tempting to people who see no problem with breeding to earn some extra spending money. Even the carriers are selling for way more than a standard yorkie of comparable quality.

Money had nothing to do with my decision to breed the partid. and no one pitched anything to me, I did the research and contacted my breeder. I had no idea of the cost until I fell out of my chair when she told me what they cost. hat didn't matter to me, I wanted one anyway.

The Biewer breeders cannot even asgree on which breed of animal they have, some say yorkies, some say no not yorkies but do not say what breeds were used to make up the biewer, so you don't even know what you are betting. And they are not AKC registered.

Those were my reasons.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Oh oh now you blew it. refer to post #407

If you want to know why we do it and why we don't just buy a Biewer, please go back and read the last 406 posts.

We're not going to go through this entired discussion all over again.

I'm not going to read the whole thread, I'm just stating my opinion in a civil manner and no need to go through the entire discussion.
If you want to breed parti's fine by me I just don't agree with it personally.
Parti's will not be accepted in the show ring (as that is where my passion lies) for some time to come. That is why our standard has changed (although it needs to be clarified the next go around). I hope we keep the Parti's out of the show ring because it deviates from the standard and is not what is called for in the Yorkshire Terrier breed. I love all yorkies whether they are parti's or not but when it comes to the show ring the standard is what I will go by PERIOD! I will always stand behind what the Yorkshire Terrier stands for and while the standard calls for "DARK STEEL BLUE" then I will adhere to the standard as close as I can set forth by the YTCA.
Of course this is all my opinion and please don't hold it against me because I see things from the opposite side of the coin.
I'm really not here to argue but I can state my opinion and how I feel as all that have posted here has I've actually done it in a civil manner

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I'm not going to read the whole thread, I'm just stating my opinion in a civil manner and no need to go through the entire discussion.
If you want to breed parti's fine by me I just don't agree with it personally.
Parti's will not be accepted in the show ring (as that is where my passion lies) for some time to come. That is why our standard has changed (although it needs to be clarified the next go around). I hope we keep the Parti's out of the show ring because it deviates from the standard and is not what is called for in the Yorkshire Terrier breed. I love all yorkies whether they are parti's or not but when it comes to the show ring the standard is what I will go by PERIOD! I will always stand behind what the Yorkshire Terrier stands for and while the standard calls for "DARK STEEL BLUE" then I will adhere to the standard as close as I can set forth by the YTCA.
Of course this is all my opinion and please don't hold it against me because I see things from the opposite side of the coin.
I'm really not here to argue but I can state my opinion and how I feel as all that have posted here has I've actually done it in a civil manner

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I understand where you stand and why, I hope you can understand why we coose the parti and not the Biewer.

Also if they change the standard to not DQ the parti then it won't be deviating from the standard.

I'm not a show person, so I really don't care if they let them in the ring. I just love the color and the dogs.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I understand where you stand and why, I hope you can understand why we coose the parti and not the Biewer.

Also if they change the standard to not DQ the parti then it won't be deviating from the standard.

I'm not a show person, so I really don't care if they let them in the ring. I just love the color and the dogs.

I understand your love for your dogs, but even if the DQ wasn't in place it still deviates from the standard where it calls for a "dark steel blue". No where in the standard does it call for white on the head or chest or any other place actually The Yorkshire Standard calls for the "dark steel blue"

While I understand your love for the color and the dogs I hope you understand where a show breeder can disagree with you because we do follow the standard ( at least I would hope ) and try to discourage breeding for what is not called for in the standard and breed as close to the best representation to what the breed standard calls for. I truly do understand the love for the yorkie and at times discussions can become heated so I try to handle myself in the most civilized possible way

Again, thanks for being civil with me in what I know has been a very heated discussion While I disagree with breeding outside the standard I can't change minds when one is set

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I understand your love for your dogs, but even if the DQ wasn't in place it still deviates from the standard where it calls for a "dark steel blue". No where in the standard does it call for white on the head or chest or any other place actually The Yorkshire Standard calls for the "dark steel blue"

While I understand your love for the color and the dogs I hope you understand where a show breeder can disagree with you because we do follow the standard ( at least I would hope ) and try to discourage breeding for what is not called for in the standard and breed as close to the best representation to what the breed standard calls for. I truly do understand the love for the yorkie and at times discussions can become heated so I try to handle myself in the most civilized possible way

Again, thanks for being civil with me in what I know has been a very heated discussion While I disagree with breeding outside the standard I can't change minds when one is set

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Yes I understad, but stadards have changed over the years, and I'm sure, not without a great deal of poopsition toward those who have pushed for it to change. and it will change again. Nothing ever changes without opposition.

I can see you are a very well settled happy person. People who are intelligent enough to know which things can be changed and which thngs cannot, and don't waste their time trying to change the things that cannot be changed, are happy people.

As for me, I know I will never change these people mind, I just love a good debate with intelligent people who keep me challenged.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

not without a great deal of poopsition toward those who have pushed for it to change. and it will change again

Are you inventing a new word on us Jeanie? I know, I know, just a typo, but it's just so darn FUNNY to read!

[YorkieShadow]

I saw this ad for parti puppys today. dont know if its from a breeder here or someone any of you know, cute pups but whew $$$.

Parti colored Yorkie puppies, 2 female, 2 male - Columbus (OH) Dogs & Puppies For Sale - Kijiji Columbus (OH), Ohio

[Breezeaway]

If you view posters other ads, They sell alot of different breeds. They do not state that they are AKC or CKC registered. It just says registered.
Be very careful when purchasing a parti.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Are you inventing a new word on us Jeanie? I know, I know, just a typo, but it's just so darn FUNNY to read!

LOL. Ah that fit in rather well. There has been a lot of that in this thread.

Tooooo funny. That started my day with a laugh

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

If you view posters other ads, They sell alot of different breeds. They do not state that they are AKC or CKC registered. It just says registered.
Be very careful when purchasing a parti.

Yes, you have to know where they came from. If they are not AKC they are not parti, and if they do not lead bfack to the Nikko line, I personaly would not buy them. I know there are other lines, but I don't know what they are.

[Woogie Man]

Posted by JeanieK 2-1...post #302 Quote..."Sue I think we need to adjust the standard to discourae the breeding of Dogs with all white heads. I like the color on both ears anyway". ..... Posted by JeanieK 2-3...post #395 Quote...
"I repeat, we did not and do not intend to write a standard at this time, if ever"..........My response to this is... I guess majoring in English did me no good at all. If this doesn't mean what I think it means, can someone help me out?