Parti confussion?????

[Delightyorkies]

When I looked at the Parti Yorkies in 2004 they all seemed very washed out .There was nothing about them that was stunning.The Biewer on the other hand ,had vibrant colors,beautiful patterns and a fresh crisp look.It reminded me of the Woolite commercial and how colors look after using the wrong detergent.Only recently have we seen Partiyorkies with more prominent colors.The question is, are these dogs still parti yorkies or have the been bred to Biewers?We have come across a few Parti Yorkie owners ,that are registering simultaneously ,Parti Yorkies as Biewers with the IBC.

[peanut]

I know with a lot of the clubs for Biewers you have to have the mom & dad dna tested, and to reg. the puppy you have to have it dna also, which I think is great, they should do that with all dogs before you register them as pure "whatever". That would cut down on the mixing and trying to register them as something they aren't.

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Delightyorkies

When I looked at the Parti Yorkies in 2004 they all seemed very washed out .There was nothing about them that was stunning.The Biewer on the other hand ,had vibrant colors,beautiful patterns and a fresh crisp look.It reminded me of the Woolite commercial and how colors look after using the wrong detergent.Only recently have we seen Partiyorkies with more prominent colors.The question is, are these dogs still parti yorkies or have the been bred to Biewers?We have come across a few Parti Yorkie owners ,that are registering simultaneously ,Parti Yorkies as Biewers with the IBC.

Interesting post, but I'm confused. I've read that the IBC only recognizes dogs whose parents are registered with them so how could a parti owner, who registry I would assume to be AKC, do this? Here's something I came across about this (though from a breeder's site so not sure of the accuracy of it)..."Q. Will my Biewer be registered when I purchase him?

A. If your Biewer was imported from Germany, he must already be registered by his breeder in one of the various German clubs. One German Club is not better than the other and all of the German Clubs recognize each other's registrations and pedigrees. If you have not been shown the dog's registration and pedigree prior to purchasing him, beware.

If your Biewer was purchased from an American breeder, he should also already be registered by his breeder. There are a few American Clubs that have begun their own registries to track the Biewer breeding in this country. A parent club with acurate pedigree records is part of the AKC requirement for breed recognition. Once again, if you have not seen the registration and pedigree for a dog before purchase, beware.

Q. What American registry is best?

A. In the United States there are very good Biewer Club registries that recognize each other's registrations. They are the Biewer Breed International Registry BBIR and the Biewer National Registry BNR . American registries and parent clubs are required by the AKC for future recognition of the Biewer.

There is only one registry, the IBC, that does not recognize other registries of American born Biewer puppies, regardless whether these puppies' parents have German or American registries or both. Beware. The IBC claims that if your dog is not IBC registered, the dog is devalued. This is not true. It also claims to be the only ligitimate registry and claims to be the largest and the premier club in Germany. These claims are false and are perceived to be an attempt to scare breeders and buyers into joining the IBC and to prevent buyers from purchasing dogs under other registries. Do not be fooled by this marketing strategy. Note, the DHZ e.V. is the same organization as the IBC and is run by the same individual. Look around at your options, investigate, and make your own decision on what is the best fit for you. "....Here's the link these quotes came from...Biewer Frequently Asked Questions

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Tnyorkiemom

sophiepup......this is my understanding of the difference in the parti to the biewer.......the parti's colorings are mingled..........and the biewer's colors are in specific places and it is symmetrical.........in other words even sided......with white legs, white tail......or at least the end i think...........and they usually dont have a break in colors........sierrapups could probably explain it better than i can

I found this on the ARBA website. I'm only quoting the part of the Biewer standard as it relates to color. The full standard is on the site. " Head coloring is (Blue/Black, White, Gold/Tan); (Blue/Black, Gold/Tan); (Gold/Tan, White) in good symmetry.



Hair coloring on back is blue or black and white. Amounts of each color are of personal preference with no dominating patterns.



Chest, Stomach, Legs and tip of the Tail is absolutely white. The white from the chest should come up the neck to cover the chin.



Temperament of the Biewer Terrier is intelligent, loyal and very devoted to their human family. They have a fun loving, child like attitude that makes them a great companion for all ages.



Weight is 4 to 8 pounds.



Faults are a roach or rounded back; brown, gold or tan anywhere on the body, legs, or tail; pale nostrils; floppy ears; over 8 lbs"...Here's the link..Biewer Terrier Breed Standard

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

Although the Biewer originated from the Yorkie it has now evolved into a breed of its own. This is where the differences lie within the clubs. Through genetic testing we are able to see where they no longer are the same breed. There is a wait and see period when all will come out.
WoogieMan, thank you for trying to educate. Your posts were very informative. There are always those that will close their minds and not want to see the science behind breeding.

I came into this thread late and my interest was piqued by the link Nancy1999 posted earlier about deafness in dogs (post #106). It was easy to find a lot of info regarding deafness and the piebald link as one cause. I also found some info about the Biewer being included in a recent piebald genetics study. Here's a quote.....

"The Piebald (Spotting) Gene Study

Researchers have now pinpointed a variation in the genetic code at a specific point on the DNA called SNP's that
are associated with white coat color. The highest-ranking SNP from their analysis resides in assection of the dog
genome that contains one gene, called MITF, an important developmental gene. Here is where the SINE
mutation (an inherited change in the genetic material of an individual) takes place. (SINE is a type of small
dispersed repetitive DNA sequence) SINE/SINE shows homozygous inheritance (having like alleles in the same
location). This mutation is what is now identified to express the piebald coat.

Okay, so now what?

What does this mean to the Biewer world? The answer is two fold.

The Biewer breeds white coat pattern is indeed a result of the piebald gene, not from another dog being bred
into the Yorkshire Terrier.

Is the Biewer in any health danger due to being piebald? There is no data on this presently. White coat color has
been identified in other studies as the cause of deafness in Dalmatians and anomalies in other breeds with white
coat patterns. However, because Biewers have pigment of Blue/Black/Tan/Goldother than white around the ears
and eyes on the head, it is suspected, not proven, that the Biewer escapes the anomalies due to the presence of
darker pigment. This is a strong case supporting a practice to breed selectively in order to keep the strong head
colors present."

...Here's the link this quote came from...Biewer Breed Club of America Health Regisrty... BBCA

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Delightyorkies

When I looked at the Parti Yorkies in 2004 they all seemed very washed out .There was nothing about them that was stunning.The Biewer on the other hand ,had vibrant colors,beautiful patterns and a fresh crisp look.It reminded me of the Woolite commercial and how colors look after using the wrong detergent.Only recently have we seen Partiyorkies with more prominent colors.The question is, are these dogs still parti yorkies or have the been bred to Biewers?We have come across a few Parti Yorkie owners ,that are registering simultaneously ,Parti Yorkies as Biewers with the IBC.

Whatever...............I would in no way combine the 2 in any way. You can beiieve what you
will ................


the parti's are not washed out

[Breezeaway]

People you need to move on, get over it partis are a part of the yorkie breed, whether you like it or not they are AKC registered

[Breezeaway]

Just look at my Niickolas he is a parti,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but a great example he his

[sierrapups]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Whatever...............I would in no way combine the 2 in any way. You can beiieve what you
will ................


the parti's are not washed out

It is very interesting that you say this. Back in 2004 when I was looking into the parti Yorkies, there was in woman in So. Cal that was breeding them and there were not that many around and they were DEFINITELY much much lighter than what they are now.
I personally chose the Biewer because of the intense coloring and not the soft "washed out", no insult intended, of the parti.
Would someone care to explain how the parti is now developing to look more and more like the Biewer?

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Just look at my Niickolas he is a parti,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but a great example he his

Hi Deb,
Nicholas is beautiful Yorkie!!

My Chaos is a beautiful little parti yorkie too!! He's not all washed out, nor does he have any Biewer blood. He is AKC DNA'd from a known line of DNA'd parti yorkie's should anyone doubt his heritage because of his colors.

[Delightyorkies]

Correct me if I am wrong, but AKC only requires for the sire to be DNA ed .I seriously doubt that any of the more colorful looking Parti Yorkies are older than 4 years.I have many pictures of Parti Yorkies and none of them look like what is sold as a Parti today.

[Obie]

Originally Posted by Delightyorkies

Correct me if I am wrong, but AKC only requires for the sire to be DNA ed .I seriously doubt that any of the more colorful looking Parti Yorkies are older than 4 years.I have many pictures of Parti Yorkies and none of them look like what is sold as a Parti today.

I was wondering this myself 6 years ago when I started to look into these parti yorkies being a Yorkie breeder myself. I am very protective of my lines and for my own sake had both parents DNA'd. After researching as much as I could about the parti yorkies, that is how I stumbled upon the Biewers. Research after research and talking to many breeders both Biewer and parti, I got a better understanding of what was going on. The Biewer caught my eye because of the standard they were holding true too. I am not downing the parti's but I wanted to concentrate on a new breed that would hold more true to a standard you could work with. And I liked the fact that both parents going out into 4 and 5th generation now are both DNA tested. This helps when you want to perfect a new breed and don't need to prove to anyone who the true parents are.

[Obie]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Hi Deb,
Nicholas is beautiful Yorkie!!

My Chaos is a beautiful little parti yorkie too!! He's not all washed out, nor does he have any Biewer blood. He is AKC DNA'd from a known line of DNA'd parti yorkie's should anyone doubt his heritage because of his colors.

Would you be willing to post his/her pedigree? Not doubting you one bit but we have an extensive documentation of Biewer pedigrees which would be interesting to further our studies.

[EnchantedToi]

The Standard that you have linked to and posted, is a standard followed by the BTCA or BTCA members. They are the only people that follow that standard which includes a two colored head.

Other clubs have continued to follow the three colored head and have no interest in breeding for a two colored head.http://www.raritiesinc.ca/breeds/bre...rds/Biewer.pdf

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I found this on the ARBA website. I'm only quoting the part of the Biewer standard as it relates to color. The full standard is on the site. " Head coloring is (Blue/Black, White, Gold/Tan); (Blue/Black, Gold/Tan); (Gold/Tan, White) in good symmetry.



Hair coloring on back is blue or black and white. Amounts of each color are of personal preference with no dominating patterns.



Chest, Stomach, Legs and tip of the Tail is absolutely white. The white from the chest should come up the neck to cover the chin.



Temperament of the Biewer Terrier is intelligent, loyal and very devoted to their human family. They have a fun loving, child like attitude that makes them a great companion for all ages.



Weight is 4 to 8 pounds.



Faults are a roach or rounded back; brown, gold or tan anywhere on the body, legs, or tail; pale nostrils; floppy ears; over 8 lbs"...Here's the link..Biewer Terrier Breed Standard

[Delightyorkies]

That is correct the BTCA is the only Club following a standard that includes a 2 colored head.The revised standard by Mrs.Biewer.The co founder of this breed,the one that is highly disgusted with people that post on their web site ,that they are following Mr.Biewers dream ,a man they have never known or even have the faintest idea what his plan for this breed was.I am just wondering why you take every opportunity to criticize the BTCA.You and your club BBCI/BBCA are using a standard that was written by some Mi-Ki breeders.
Why would they and their standard be a better choice than Mrs Biewer.?

I find it so interesting that a few of the people that are constantly telling the Biewer world,how it should be done ,have not even had a litter of Biewer puppies yet.It seems to me like the virgin giving the rules on child rearing.People that are breeders and not just forum posters know, that the addition to the standard is no thread to the Biewer,since almost all of the Biewer puppies born, have a 3 colored head.The challenge seems to be how do we breed ,that the dogs will keep the vibrant colors through adulthood.