Parti confussion?????

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by my2boyz

There are a lot of breeds that can have deafness in their lines like Dalmation and Boston Terriers. Does that mean they shouldn't be bred altogether as a breed or does it mean you don't breed the lines that you know produced the deaf puppies?

In post 254 I posted some links. They may answer some of your questions. You could also google something like' piebald risks in dogs' for more info. The piebald effect has been observed and studied in dogs, horses, pigs and mice. There's probably other species but you get the idea that it's a well known genetic trait.

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

My mother didn't go deaf until she was 80 either.

Well, what does that have to do with anything. People and (white animals) are two different things. The boxer went blind/deaf at 3 and the maltese wasn't very old, an 8 year old dog is not the same age as an 80 year old woman My mom is almost 83 and she can hear fine

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

Yes, but I do not think that they were talking about age related deafness. Is 7 or 8 years a touch young for this, maybe, but loss of hearing/sight does happen sometimes as any living being ages....is this really the same as what is being suggested in this thread, though??

I'm saying, maybe some white animals don't have problems right away, but, for some reason, some white animals are going deaf earlier than they should, that's what it has to do with. Maybe some of the partis that have a lot of white and are fine now, will be deaf when theyr'e just a few years old(that's what I'm talking about

[phfgkl]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

The fact is, we are ALL messing with Gods perfect creations. Those wo breed traditionals are no different in that respect. Where the difference lies is by the time you started breeding, someone else had allready gone through the "what ifs" and "wait and sees" asnd taken all of the risks.

You took on a breed that had already been perfected (as much as man can perfect).

We are aware of all of the possible health issues, Lord knows we've been told about it enough. But at this point, none of those things have come true. If and when they do we will certainly make changes to our programs, but that does not mean we wil scrap the programs, we will try to determine what created the problem.

Would you scrap your entire program, never to breed again, if you produced one unhealthy puppy.? I think not. You would make the necessary modifications, if you could even determine what that would entail.

You shouldn't say we are ALL messing with Gods creation. I'm not nor are a lot of other people that don't breed.

[qraven]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

In post 254 I posted some links. They may answer some of your questions. You could also google something like' piebald risks in dogs' for more info. The piebald effect has been observed and studied in dogs, horses, pigs and mice. There's probably other species but you get the idea that it's a well known genetic trait.

what about Lethal White in Paint/Pinto horses ? Was told once it was thought to be caused by a reccessive gene

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by qraven

what about Lethal White in Paint/Pinto horses ? Was told once it was thought to be caused by a reccessive gene

I've seen mention of it but am not a horse person. Here's a link that may help get you started if you're interested.....Overo Lethal White Syndrom

[Breezeaway]

Seems to me like there needs to be new thread started about white dogs or white and piebald genes.
I thought this thread was about Partis, Not fortune telling on if or when a dog will be born blind or deaf. And now they are discussing horses??? Geeeesh there are blind and deaf dogs born in every breed, even cats and horses.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by qraven

what about Lethal White in Paint/Pinto horses ? Was told once it was thought to be caused by a reccessive gene

Lethal white is cause by breeding 2 overo pinto horses together. You can breed other spotting patterns together like sabino to overo, tobiano to overo or splash white to overo without the problem of producing lethal white ... it's the overo to overo crosses that can produce lethal whites (25% chance). Unfortunately, you can have a horse who looks to be solid colored but are in fact minimally marked overos.

There is a test to determine if a horse carries the Lethal White gene, so many horse breeders who breed pintos will have their horses tested for the LWO (Lethal White Overo) gene or they will avoid breeding overo to overo all together.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Seems to me like there needs to be new thread started about white dogs or white and piebald genes.
I thought this thread was about Partis, Not fortune telling on if or when a dog will be born blind or deaf. And now they are discussing horses??? Geeeesh there are blind and deaf dogs born in every breed, even cats and horses.

Maybe we need a genetics forum

[Woogie Man]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Seems to me like there needs to be new thread started about white dogs or white and piebald genes.
I thought this thread was about Partis, Not fortune telling on if or when a dog will be born blind or deaf. And now they are discussing horses??? Geeeesh there are blind and deaf dogs born in every breed, even cats and horses.

Well, when you talk about Partis, you're talking about a dog with the piebald gene so not sure why you commented that way. Most everything posted has been factual even if you see it as fortune telling. No one here has posted that something will happen, only that it can and does happen with some piebalds. Maybe we need a thread about partis, only leave out the facts?? And yes, horses, pigs, and even mice are at least indirectly related to the discussion.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Well, when you talk about Partis, you're talking about a dog with the piebald gene so not sure why you commented that way. Most everything posted has been factual even if you see it as fortune telling. No one here has posted that something will happen, only that it can and does happen with some piebalds. Maybe we need a thread about partis, only leave out the facts?? And yes, horses, pigs, and even mice are at least indirectly related to the discussion.

And your certainly a book of knowledge arent you!!! What did you say the name of your book was?

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Well, when you talk about Partis, you're talking about a dog with the piebald gene so not sure why you commented that way. Most everything posted has been factual even if you see it as fortune telling. No one here has posted that something will happen, only that it can and does happen with some piebalds. Maybe we need a thread about partis, only leave out the facts?? And yes, horses, pigs, and even mice are at least indirectly related to the discussion.

Factual based on the other breeds that have been discussed, but pure speculation on the parti. Quite honestly, there have been facts offered within this thread from those of us that own and/or breed the parti, but yet this has been dismissed.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Sorry, your statement makes absolutley no sense to me. Are you saying that there has to be a "market" for a certain breed of dog before you can show it?

Nope sorry, you missed the point completely

[Missiemiss]

I'm concerned that egos are getting the way on this post just by how the posts are typed. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it. Is anyone a geneticist? Is anyone a direct decendent of Johann Mendel?

Does anyone realize that a simple receptor from a gene being accepted can mess with the perfect STANDARD of the Yorkie? Do you realize that it can happen and it may have nothing to do with anything the breeder is doing? This receptor changes the trait and it will make it a recessie trait. The perfect yorkie now is soiled. *hanging head* This is a reality each time a bitch and sire are bred. We can educate ourselves as much as possible and hope that our knowledge and breeding practices work toward the good of the breed but believe it or not, some of us will miss.

To wash ones hands that since they are not breeding they have no responsiblity, I disagree. People purchase them, just as people purchase dogs from pet shops. Both need breeders. Now, I'm not saying each breeder is the same but we have to step back and take check of what we are doing here and our responsibilities. The fact is, we are all here and we have something in common - we have a dog (98% of us).

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Woogie Man

Here is a quote from your post, JeanieK..."So Far there hasn't been any color related deafness in traditional yorkies either. does that mean there will be in the future
My response...There is no color related deafness in traditional Yorkies due to the lack of the piebald gene. Any deafness that might occur would be from some other cause.

And, here's your other quote..."surely you are not advocating that we just stop all breeding because of something that "might" or "might not' happen" My response......Obviously, I'm not advocating that. In the case of piebalds, it is not a case of something that might or might not happen, but rather a case of something that can and does happen. It doesn't always happen, but it is an additional risk that must be considered. I'm sure this will be more clear to you as you do your own research.

Yes it can and does, but it does not happen in all breeds, nor does it happen in all dogs in the breeds that it does affect.

And I said that we woll keep it in mind and watch for it. But it also might never happen.

statistics show that the more you drive, the greater your chances of an accident. so are you going to quit driving because accidents CAN and DO happen. Or are you going to continue to drive taking as many precautions as possible.