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12-30-2008, 10:38 AM | #1 |
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| Clarification on Dog Surrender/Rescue by Breeder I would like to give my opinion of Maxine Pritzer’s Yorkies. Her breeding ethics have been discussed in the past on YT and our rescues name, NC Yorkie Rescue, has been associated with her as well. For this reason, I would like to clarify several misconceptions regarding the turn over of her dogs to our rescue. This past fall, our group, NC Yorkie Rescue, was notified of 7 females and 1 male yorkie that a breeder Maxine Pritzer in Ohio wanted to surrender due to closing her breeding business. Our group agreed to take all of the dogs into our care and properly vet, spay/neuter and rehome them. The females all were to be spayed and vetted and the male needed neuter and dental care all of which had previously not been provided. We expected to incur a very large bill to properly bring these pups to a healthy condition. These arrangements were made with a member here on YT YorkieShadow. I spoke both with Maxine and YorkieShadow (Debbie) and it was agreed they would be picked up at the end of August. Part of the agreement of the surrender was that all the dogs needed rabies vaccines prior to the transport. I had several phone conversations with both Maxine and YorkieShadow. YorkieShadow/aka Debbie was very unreasonable and belligerent in my dealings with her, making this surrender very difficult. In spite of this all was going as planned up until the weekend of the transport. I phoned Maxine the evening before the surrender to confirm all arrangements, and was told the dogs were not going and no further explanation. I would like to clarify postings by YorkieShadow regarding this situation. These dogs were not turned over to NC Yorkie Rescue and we have no knowledge of what happened to them and they were never on our website for adoption. The condition these dogs were to be surrender in does not reflect that of a reputable breeding program. Maxine Pritzer in my opinion had given substandard to nonexistent veterinary care to all of these dogs for a very long time for this to occur. Her breeding program in my opinion is substandard which is proven by her lack of care for her breeder females and also the male that she contacted us to surrender. Unfortunately, NC Yorkie Rescue was not allowed by Maxine to rehome any of these yorkies and we do not know of their final outcome. What is the most disturbing is the “I’m SHOCKED” thread that she is still breeding yorkies after stating she was closing her breeding operation
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12-30-2008, 10:42 AM | #2 | |
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Thank you for posting this. So tragic for those pups....but, people need to know that all of what was said was not true.
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12-30-2008, 03:34 PM | #3 |
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| Thank you for stopping in to clarify a lot of the confusion. Too bad that you were not around when all of the fireworks were occurring the other day. Its sad to know that this woman is still out there breeding yorkies and then disposing on them through rescues like this. Please continue to post and keep all of the rescue friendly YTers aware of all the good that your rescue does.
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12-30-2008, 04:54 PM | #4 |
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| i recently started to place two of my retired females with a wonderful yorkie rescue group. Changed my mind at the last minute. After I read the other thread all the way thru today, I am glad I did. I would hate for people to think that because I am a breeder, i was only "dumping" my dogs when it reality, I thought they would have a better chance at a wonderful forever home than I could find for them. The gist I got from the thread was that if a breeder surrenders a retired female to a rescue, that is 'dumping' them. i believe that is the term used in the other thread. If I read it wrong, then please forgive me. Last edited by Sugar's Mom; 12-30-2008 at 04:56 PM. |
12-30-2008, 05:22 PM | #5 |
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| Rescues are wonderful for an emergency but it is the responsibility of a breeder to find forever homes for retired females. I place my retired gals for free and am able to keep in contact with them.
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12-30-2008, 05:30 PM | #6 |
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| Please reconsider as I am quite sure no one that knows you would think that way. I personally get many dogs that way and am so grateful when I do. I feel it shows a great deal of compassion on the breeders part as well as unselfishness. The situation in the beginning thread is completely different. Dogs that have come from that environment are known to have issues and one dog in particular, Camden, was very bad, but now look at the wonderful, loving home he now has. I am sorry if I caused any offense as my intent was only to clarify that a rescue did not take place as preciously indicated it had by another party. Please surrender your two retired females to the wonderful rescue group. We all can place the females to families that have been waiting a long time, and the new homes are indeed loving and forever. Again, I am so sorry if I offended you as I did not want this post to be taken the wrong way. It was aimed at a different situation and I do not want to stop any potential surrenders.
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12-30-2008, 05:51 PM | #7 | |
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oh no! You did not offend me. The reason I was thinking rescue is that I had previoussly given these two girls free to a person I thought was my friend. She kept them four months and they were horribly abused. i took them back in terrible shape. After that, i did not trust my own judgement to place them and thought that perhaps someone with more experience than i, could find them a well deserved forever home.. | |
12-30-2008, 05:52 PM | #8 |
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| [QUOTE=Ladyhawk;2394867]Rescues are wonderful for an emergency but it is the responsibility of a breeder to find forever homes for retired females. I place my retired gals for free and am able to keep in contact with them. Tami, I placed these girls for free too with a person i thought was my friend. Ask Rose what happened to them. I don't want to go into it here. |
12-30-2008, 06:26 PM | #9 | |
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I would never consider a reputable breeder turning over a retired breeder to a rescue as "dumping". And, even the greeders that turn them over, I respect them for at least having that much compassion......I've been aware of much, much worse being done to older breeder dogs. To the OP - I do thank you for clarifying the situation with these yorkies.
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12-30-2008, 06:41 PM | #10 |
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| i don't see any problem with a breeder turning them over to a rescue.. i don't think it is considered dumping at all.. they are turning them over and trusting that they will find new loving forever homes for them!
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12-30-2008, 07:03 PM | #11 | |
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12-30-2008, 07:18 PM | #12 | |
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I have heard people say that the dogs will be euthanized if rescue does not take them...BUT I have seen them take these pups in while other yorkies DO get euthanized in shelters. I saw one here in TX where the rescue was driving to MO to pick up 12 yorkies from a mill...and there were two here in TX in shelters that no one could take! That is just not right imo. A really reputable breeder should not have the numbers to turn over to rescue over and over and over. OK..I have repeated myself. BUT...that thread the other day had nothing to do with a breeder asking for help placing a couple of pups. There was something seriously wrong in that case from what I saw.
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The story of Maxine and Yorkieshadow was totally 180 from that story. Imagine the physical shape they were in when you brought them back to your home after you brought them back home,that is what 7 of this woman's yorkies looked like when she said she was closing shop. She lived right in the Amish Puppymill area of OH/PA boarder and was offering them to anyone who wanted them for FREE unaltered, unvetted, unsocialized. She did not take care of the pups that she had, I was disgusted by the condition of Reese1's story of how her little pup Camden had come from this woman a few months prior. NCYR knew they were in bad shape. Yorkeishadow had started several threads about there dogs trying give them away but I think after Camden's story many YTers knew better. The male was also in bad shape as well. I would personally not have a problem with a good and decent breeder saying I have a spayed and health female I would like to turn over from my breeding program. It was the these condition these 7 females were in that was so disturbing and that is why I called it 'dumping". Because that was just what it was. I have no problem calling a spade a spade. Correct me if I am wrong here but when a breeder decides to retire a female and sell/rehome her don't they make sure they will never be able to produce more puppies? Wouldn't it be considered out of the question to go to a public forum and say "Anyone want a FREE yorkie?"...... That is what went on with this entire crazy mess back in August. There were pictures posted on a very frightened dog on a leash and it was stated they were not socialized nor being around people. They were kept in a shed and garage not loved and taken care of as your dogs are. I would hope that is not a standard breeding practice. First off, she was told they needed to be vetted with at least rabies shots prior to surrender. Two had reactions and DIED at the vet because they had never had shots before and this was posted by YS. There was a bunch of craziness about a transport and after all arrangements these dogs DISAPPEARED! Reeese1 took one of her dogs prior to all of this and it was in horrible shape, needing hundreds of dollars in medical care to bring her back to health. It is still my opinion that she was not properly caring for any of her dogs. Since this is the breeders forum and everyone is a breeder, when was the last time you offered 7 females and 1 male go without proper vet care and unaltered to anyone? Wouldn't you want to make sure they were in good health and if you did not feel they should have any more puppies wouldn't you make sure that they were spayed? These dogs were none of the above. So YES-- that is dumping! Finally her premise for letting these dogs go in the first place was that her mother died and she was getting too old to be a breeder any longer. But in reality she kept a litter and continued to breed, sold 2 tiny little girls to a breeder (2 1/2 and 3 lb females) who is now mixing them with other breeds. How is this responsible? I have to assume that being a member of Yorkie Talk, you would want to keep people like her from peddling this type of dog here. All that it does is give everyone a bad reputation. She has never sold any of her puppies here, was not a member and then YS would come along to help "rehome" 7 or 8 yr old unaltered females. All this does is give the reputable breeders a bad name. I have to admit that I do go into the For Sale section and look at the puppies quite frequently and see many long standing members of this forum that have pups and everyone always seems so excited for them. They post pictures of the litter, informaiton about the parents etc. IMO this is reputable and how a breeder should project themselves. There have been many member who have purchased right here in these forums and have wonderful examples of a well bred Yorkshire Terrier. I have even seen For Sales pictures of females that have been retired from breeding programs. I as not offended by any of this as it is a reality. This entire situation is totally different than what is presented by all of the reputable breeders on YT. I've searched all over the internet trying to get a handle on where this woman sold all of her puppies and I cannot find her anywhere. None were ever sold here, just FREE YORKIES to anyone that wanted to take one. Responsible?? Absolutely NOT! I just makes me think that not only did she not take good care of her adult does but she was probably a broker. If you don't advertise anywhere and you are producing many, many litters where are all of your puppies going to then? I personally believe that we are all in this together. If a reputable breeder is looking to rehome a female why is it not possible for them to contact a rescue and they work TOGETHER. In my opinion you wouldn't have to surrender to a rescue, just work together. If I knew a good applicant and I knew a good breeder why wouldn't it be acceptable to just say as a rescue organization "I know of a breeder what has a female that she is selling here is her number why don't you give her a call about this dog?" Maybe if you got to know us a little better and we got to know you a little better we could work together. Are we not all doing this for the breed anyway? Rescues do not make money off of the dogs that have rehomed, so by passing on a name what would that hurt? I like to hear good stories about rehoming and this might be a way to NETWORK. Or you could just call me crazy There is a very seedy side to breeding and that is where so many of the females come from in rescue and it is very, very sad. It is true that there are dogs put down every day by so called breeders because there breeding days are over. Some in rescue make this their life passion to take them in, rehabilitate them, and even go into these places at great risk for them selves to try to save a few dogs. They will befriend these horrible people to save a life. There are dogs out there who have no jaw left because of decay and others that cannot even stand because they have spend their life in a tiny cage. Go into the rescue forum and take a look at Ella. That is what we see every day. She's missing an eye, found on the streets of LA but she is loving and wonderful. That is our world and if we see neglect and dumping we call it just like it is. There is so much more to this story and it is very tangled and twisted. By no means is this a reflections upon what anyone here is doing with their personal breeding program. I believe that NCYR was trying to clear up misconceptions that were given in this forum that dogs were placed with her rescue which was not the truth.
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12-31-2008, 11:29 AM | #14 |
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| thread on placing adults? Sorry for the intrusion but I got very confused in the original thread about Maxine. I am, however, very interested in the subject of proper placement of retiring breeding dogs. My own integrity was questioned recently when someone commented negatively about how I use a placement service when I need to rehome my retiring girls. I was hurt by this thinking and I think it was Sugar's Mom who best expressed how it can be more difficult to part with an adult dog than a puppy. I need to objectivity of a third party, as well as the tremendous effort they put into checking out the adoptive home and family. Is someone interested in starting a thread about this? Thanks. |
12-31-2008, 12:25 PM | #15 | |
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Or course we get worked up and are very passionate about people like Maxine because we know she is doing wrong. Dogs should not be dying and neglected or disguarded as she is doing with hers. She was representing herself as something she was not. That really is the bottom line. Then it was implied that they were given to NCYR and that was not the case either we have now come to find out. I was hoping that a few more breeders would jump in and possibly agree or at least correct me if I have a misconception in my thought process here.
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