Beauford's TLC Kennel in Missouri a puppy mill?

[orlnurse]

I am not certain that this is a puppy mill but let me tell you my story and you can determine that for yourself. Beauford's TLC Kennel is located in Missouri and I am in Florida. I adopted Lily through a rescue here in Florida that went to an auction in Missouri to "save" a large number of dogs. When I adopted her, I also got her AKC papers that listed the name of the kennel where she came from and her parents. I "googled" the information and found their website quite easily. On their website, the have a listing of their "breeders"; all 29 of them. From my understanding, puppy mills frequently have auctions. I am still confused as to why they gave up Lily since 2 of her litter mates were still listed on their site when I first did my search. I emailed them to see what they had to say. I asked about her history and under what circumstances she was given up. Here is their response:

Hi Lesley
I just wanted to let you know she came from a really good home. She has had all her shots and worming and I guarantee you allot more shots and worming more than most pups get. She has been loved and cared for and it should show in her. Our kennels are what people call a top of the line kennel. We have 4 buildings all with air/heat, inside and going to outside runs, automatic wash downs and automatic waterers and we feed Iams puppy and Eukanuba puppy feed and Bil Jac feed which is a really good feed. We have a playful in the nursery kennel where the pups get to play in everyday and our kennels are cleaner than most peoples home, but my husband and I are retired and these are our babies, but just getting a little age on us where we just have to slow down a little. But thanks so much for letting me know.
Peg
P..s
Please visit our website at Beauford TLC Kennel Yorkshire Terriers Wappapello Missouri


Keep in mind, I don't want to start any trouble, but I truly feel that this is a puppy mill and the circumstances from which I adopted my Lily are shady...on both ends. I'm not convinced the story that the rescue group gave me either. They told me it was a puppy bust which is what prompted me to do a search. I wanted to see if this place was still in business. Again, I just want this information available to anyone who may do a search about this kennel. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[cruisinpat]

Hmmm! This sounds fishy to me. I also live in Florida and quite frequently read about puppy mill raids where organizations are trying to place a large number of yorkies. It's sad that you have to be skeptical when it comes with dealing with people. I am looking for a Yorkie and, I have to say that it is a little intimidating trying to find a reputable breeder. I am depending on comments that I have read on this forum along with doing a lot of research on my own. It will be interesting to see if you can find any additional information about your process.

[BonBon]

Holy cow! I lost count of how many adult "breeders" they have!! This is definitely a puppy mill IMO. I don't care how neat and clean they say it is, they obviously run this as a business that intends to turn a profit. Were Lily's littermates male or female? That may have some bearing on why they're still there. Or maybe Lily just wasn't producing big enough litters to be profitable. Who knows.

I can't address the issue of the rescue group you got her from. I got my biewer, Jordy, from a rescue group that obtained him at a Missouri puppy mill auction, too. This was not a case of the miller going out of business, it was just an auction where they were discarding some of their unwanted "stock". I know this local rescue had the very best of intentions, so just try to have faith that yours did as well.

This line in the reply you received really stood out to me (sorry this is slightly off-topic). In today's world of concern about our pups being over-vaccinated, these people are actually bragging about it like it's a good thing?!?!? "She has had all her shots and worming and I guarantee you allot more shots and worming more than most pups get."

[BabyBrizzy]

Again... There is a special place in the deepest, darkest, worst parts of he11 for people that abuse animals!

[orlnurse]

Originally Posted by bonbon

Holy cow! I lost count of how many adult "breeders" they have!! This is definitely a puppy mill IMO. I don't care how neat and clean they say it is, they obviously run this as a business that intends to turn a profit. Were Lily's littermates male or female? That may have some bearing on why they're still there. Or maybe Lily just wasn't producing big enough litters to be profitable. Who knows.

I can't address the issue of the rescue group you got her from. I got my biewer, Jordy, from a rescue group that obtained him at a Missouri puppy mill auction, too. This was not a case of the miller going out of business, it was just an auction where they were discarding some of their unwanted "stock". I know this local rescue had the very best of intentions, so just try to have faith that yours did as well.

This line in the reply you received really stood out to me (sorry this is slightly off-topic). In today's world of concern about our pups being over-vaccinated, these people are actually bragging about it like it's a good thing?!?!? "She has had all her shots and worming and I guarantee you allot more shots and worming more than most pups get."

Lily's litter mates were both females. One is still there. Lily was 6 months old and weighed 5 lbs when I got her, she'll be 7 months on the 28th. I'm sure the rescue where I got her had the best intentions; they thought they were rescuing her from other puppy mills which is probably true. Regardless of the circumstances, I'm glad that I got my Lily and that she didn't have to live that life. I wish we could save them all!

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by orlnurse

I am not certain that this is a puppy mill but let me tell you my story and you can determine that for yourself. Beauford's TLC Kennel is located in Missouri and I am in Florida. I adopted Lily through a rescue here in Florida that went to an auction in Missouri to "save" a large number of dogs. When I adopted her, I also got her AKC papers that listed the name of the kennel where she came from and her parents. I "googled" the information and found their website quite easily. On their website, the have a listing of their "breeders"; all 29 of them. From my understanding, puppy mills frequently have auctions. I am still confused as to why they gave up Lily since 2 of her litter mates were still listed on their site when I first did my search. I emailed them to see what they had to say. I asked about her history and under what circumstances she was given up. Here is their response:

Hi Lesley
I just wanted to let you know she came from a really good home. She has had all her shots and worming and I guarantee you allot more shots and worming more than most pups get. She has been loved and cared for and it should show in her. Our kennels are what people call a top of the line kennel. We have 4 buildings all with air/heat, inside and going to outside runs, automatic wash downs and automatic waterers and we feed Iams puppy and Eukanuba puppy feed and Bil Jac feed which is a really good feed. We have a playful in the nursery kennel where the pups get to play in everyday and our kennels are cleaner than most peoples home, but my husband and I are retired and these are our babies, but just getting a little age on us where we just have to slow down a little. But thanks so much for letting me know.
Peg
P..s
Please visit our website at Beauford TLC Kennel Yorkshire Terriers Wappapello Missouri


Keep in mind, I don't want to start any trouble, but I truly feel that this is a puppy mill and the circumstances from which I adopted my Lily are shady...on both ends. I'm not convinced the story that the rescue group gave me either. They told me it was a puppy bust which is what prompted me to do a search. I wanted to see if this place was still in business. Again, I just want this information available to anyone who may do a search about this kennel. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

This just disgusts me! Their response shows they are what I consider a puppy mill without even going to their site!
Wow they get to play in a nursery kennel every day, how lucky for them.
I really am appalled they would say "these are our babies." Who turns their babies over to puppy auctions??
They use religious expressions, which is just extremely hypocritical in this case.
I'm really glad that you have their name out there! They are retired and need to slow down, so the large number of dogs on their site now is a reduced number! I hate to think how many were turned over for auction. Not to mention the "breeders" as they call them on their site, some are too small to be breeding and some of them either don't appear healthy or miserable or both! JMO
The important thing for you to know is you were trying to do the right thing by adopting a dog from a rescue! Enjoy your Lily!

[jencar98]

Lesley, regardless of where your Lily came from you must remember your heart was in the right place and you didn't know. There was a quote thread the other day and I posted one of my favorites by Maya Angelou....You did what you knew how to do, and when you knew better, you did better.

Yes, this is definitely a puppymill. Lily most likely didn't sell through the kennels normal channel (brokers) and was sold at what is called a "breeders auction". The auction company I'm aware of is within a couple of hours drive of Beauford's Kennel. Also, most likely Lily's litter mate didn't bring the kennel's minimum price at auction so she was not sold there.

This same company I'm aware of has an upcoming auction with over 100 yorkies listed to sell.......it makes me want to cry.

[orlnurse]

This same company I'm aware of has an upcoming auction with over 100 yorkies listed to sell.......it makes me want to cry.

Jen, this just makes me ill!

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by orlnurse

This same company I'm aware of has an upcoming auction with over 100 yorkies listed to sell.......it makes me want to cry.

Jen, this just makes me ill!

Believe me Lesley, not many things are more disgusting, sickening, vile, and heartbreaking than these dog auctions. I've attended several (before I had a change of heart and mind) and the things I've seen happen at these auctions, made me cry for days.....I still cry just thinking about the poor dogs.

Your Lily is one of the lucky ones.....she got out of puppymill hell!

Try not to focus to much on where she came from, but do let her be your catalyst for fighting to stop puppymills.

[BonBon]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Your Lily is one of the lucky ones.....she got out of puppymill hell!

Try not to focus to much on where she came from, but do let her be your catalyst for fighting to stop puppymills.

[orlnurse]

I expected some sort of backlash so here it is:

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Ronald Beauford <puppies@yorkshireterrierpup.com> wrote:

From: Ronald Beauford <puppies@yorkshireterrierpup.com>
Subject: peg
To: "Lesley Allen" <orlnurse2006@yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 9:34 AM

Hi Lesley
I saw what you put on yorkie talk and I am very displeased with it. I guess you like ruining people lives without even knowing the truth. The good news is I don't have to fight my battles.. I am a child of God and he fights my battles for me. If I were you I would be a little concerned about this as God has a big stick and its not nice to hurt one of his children. Its apparent to me your not a Christian because most Christians learn to control their words about other Christians. Ron and I are both in our 70 and I explained to you the honest truth and for you to say what you did and try to make us look bad, its a shame. We have loved our yorkies and taken the best of care of them, you should be able to tell that by the way your new pup acts. My Dad always taught me if you cant say something nice about some one then don't say nothing at all. You can say all the bad you want about us which you have never even been here. I would never hurt anyone like this especially if I didn't know the truth for sure. You will reap what you sew.
Peg


Peg,
I wrote to you to find out the history of the dog I adopted because the stories I'm getting don't add up. My post on yorkietalk was open so anyone who reads it so they could form their own opinion. If you read my post thoroughly, you would have read that I stated "I am not certain that this is a puppy mill". It is my feeling however, that you do mass produce dogs for a profit. The rescue from which I got Lily came to Missouri all the way from Florida to an auction. Why on earth would one or more of your dogs end up at an auction?

Of course she didn't come from a puppy mill because her hovering to the ground, tail between her legs, and her lack of making eye contact makes it obvious that she didn't come from a puppy mill, right? Peg, I am a Christian as well and I don't feel that I need to let everyone that I come into contact with know it. You're right about one thing, we do reap what we sow and God is the only one who can really judge what we do in life. Unlike you, I don't need to continuously justify my actions to make myself feel better about the choices I make in life. I don't believe that one statement by me could ruin your life, but I'm sure that the things you choose to do can.

Lesley

[Reese1]

Lesley,

I am almost at a loss for words on the response you got from them!
It literally sickens me that someone is trying to hide behind God to justify or ignore what they are doing. IMO

I don't see how a moral person would EVER turn over dogs/puppies to be auctioned off like a car, that is sick and extremely sad!
This is a business IMO, in their letter to you they mentioned how the dogs live in kennels, that is not how "pets" live, that is how dogs that are making an income for someone lives, sorry but that just bothers me to no end!
Again, I'm very glad that you posted this and I hope anyone looking for a puppy anywhere near that area sees it and runs!
Enjoy your little one!

[orlnurse]

Originally Posted by Reese1

Lesley,

I am almost at a loss for words on the response you got from them!
It literally sickens me that someone is trying to hide behind God to justify or ignore what they are doing. IMO

I don't see how a moral person would EVER turn over dogs/puppies to be auctioned off like a car, that is sick and extremely sad!
This is a business IMO, in their letter to you they mentioned how the dogs live in kennels, that is not how "pets" live, that is how dogs that are making an income for someone lives, sorry but that just bothers me to no end!
Again, I'm very glad that you posted this and I hope anyone looking for a puppy anywhere near that area sees it and runs!
Enjoy your little one!

Thanks for your support...I am thankful each and every day for my Lily

[Nancy1999]

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for this, but those dogs were not good representatives of the breed. I doubt if any of them should have been bred. It seems like the major criteria for picking a breeder was size, with many of the males listed as three pounds and under. Several things that bothered me were all the proclamations of the Christianity, and waving the flag. I guess atheists and commies need not apply. I think this is used in an attempt to seem reputable, instead of being reputable. I do not like it when breeders have a payment method on their website, it means that they aren't placing dogs, they are selling them to anyone who comes along with the money. I did not notice a health guarantee, however I did notice that the "Vet. Health Certificate is $25.00." They don't even do a health check on their puppies unless you pay extra? It's sad that many so called rescues work with places like this, and aren't really rescues, but are really puppy brokers.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for this, but those dogs were not good representatives of the breed. I doubt if any of them should have been bred. It seems like the major criteria for picking a breeder was size, with many of the males listed as three pounds and under. Several things that bothered me were all the proclamations of the Christianity, and waving the flag. I guess atheists and commies need not apply. I think this is used in an attempt to seem reputable, instead of being reputable. I do not like it when breeders have a payment method on their website, it means that they aren't placing dogs, they are selling them to anyone who comes along with the money. I did not notice a health guarantee, however I did notice that the "Vet. Health Certificate is $25.00." They don't even do a health check on their puppies unless you pay extra? It's sad that many so called rescues work with places like this, and aren't really rescues, but are really puppy brokers.

I saw that earlier and had the same thought about the look of the yorkies. I know my boy is completely not-representative of the standard, so I thought I had no right to criticize. Their face seems lacking in the hair department. They were cute, but not what I expected to see in quality breeding stock.