E=What color will she be?!?!

[capt_noonie]

And I also wanted to add, I'm sorry if I came off sounding elitist or snobby, that was not my intention. I got Uni from a disreputable person, before I knew any better, on open registration, no papers in hand when I left (which would have been worthless anyway) and then I went and registered her with the ACA! I didn't know any better. Now that i do, I try to educate others. I got SO lucky with Uni not having too many health issues. she has been diagnosed with LP 3 and mild pancreatitis. She is on expensive glucosamine supplements, and I have to be super careful with what I feed her. I got off easy. Talk to others on here who had to take their babies to get liver shunt surgery, otherwise they would have died.

We are just trying to warn you of what could happen and all the scammers and bad breeders out there. When you haven't seen it first hand it's hard to believe there would be people out there who would abuse these beautiful animals. Once you open your eyes, it's hard to NOT be skeptical of everything. I am skeptical of this person.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

This health guarantee is complete BS. "[F your puppy from serving you as a companion pet" [/FONT] Who in the world would give up a pup after a few months to get another one from the same breeder anyway, with probably the same or similar lineage? Also most likely the "breeder" will put down the returned pup, bc they are not worth money, and treating the condition would cause them to lose more money.


A byb or miller will not tell you over the phone they are one. Of course she will tell you the opposite. If she has tons of people working for her, she has to pay them right? That means she's doing this for the money. Living off the backs of her dogs.

If a breeder truly loves a breed, they will breed to protect it, and for the betterment of the breed. Have you noticed that yorkies looks nowadays range considerably? Have you ever thought someone's yorkie didn't look like a yorkie? Those breeders did not strive to better the breed. (FYI, just bc a dog is registered with the AKC doesn't mean they should be bred either, it just means that breeder can keep decent records. And if a breeder registers with ACA, APRI, CKC run away.)

A breeder who purposely breeds mixed breed dogs is NOT doing it for the love of the breed, they are doing it for the love of the money. Mixed breeds does not protect the individual breeds. If you want a morkie specifically, adopt one from your local shelter, they are full of mixed breed dogs.

Also why would you want to have your puppy stuck in a plane and fly over to you? there was a recent news article that several puppies died in flight while being shipped from a miller. Why would you risk that on a baby?

If you have already made up your mind about this person, then I hope the best for you. But why add the additional risk when you don't have to? Better yet, look for local breeders in your area, at least then you can check out the living conditions in person. i would not believe a stranger over the phone or internet. Just like you can choose to believe her or not, you can choose whether or not to believe us. We are not trying to get your money, she is. We are trying to save you from potential heartache.

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

And I also wanted to add, I'm sorry if I came off sounding elitist or snobby, that was not my intention. I got Uni from a disreputable person, before I knew any better, on open registration, no papers in hand when I left (which would have been worthless anyway) and then I went and registered her with the ACA! I didn't know any better. Now that i do, I try to educate others. I got SO lucky with Uni not having too many health issues. she has been diagnosed with LP 3 and mild pancreatitis. She is on expensive glucosamine supplements, and I have to be super careful with what I feed her. I got off easy. Talk to others on here who had to take their babies to get liver shunt surgery, otherwise they would have died.

We are just trying to warn you of what could happen and all the scammers and bad breeders out there. When you haven't seen it first hand it's hard to believe there would be people out there who would abuse these beautiful animals. Once you open your eyes, it's hard to NOT be skeptical of everything. I am skeptical of this person.

Thank You, this is what I was trying to emphasize as well.
When buying from large volume breeders like this one appears to be is just a potential for heartache in the health & $ department down the road.
The puppy price seems cheap at the front end, but who knows about the future.
Not to mention I do NOT want to pay & support someone who makes their living from their dogs.
I also entered their address & another address on the same road (google earth) of a kennel called Raintree owned by someone with the same last name. You can see what clearly looks like kennel buildings in the vicinity.
I can't stand to think of all these hundreds of dogs living like this!
There are so many small breed mixes that can be found in shelters that came from breeders like this all over the country!
A Morkie is a "mutt" and there is nothing wrong with that! I have a "mutt" myself! I have a Yorkie-Poo, so I don't have anything against mutts, just unethical breeders.
I also came across an article on a pet store in CT called Westport and it mentioned they get some of their puppies from this breeder. So who knows how many pet stores across the country they sell to. It disgusts me!

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Yes thats the breeder, but I also thought that she was going to be a bad breeder to but we called and talked to her a lot about her kennel and she has been doing it for a very long time for like 30 years and has been working with pro vets and makes sure that all the dogs are happy and healthy and they are all well socialized with all the pups around and they have tons of people working and playing with all the pups which makes all the work easier and Im more relaxed now. Why do you think that there could be red flags?

The fact that hse has to have tons of people to care for the dogs is a red flag.

When you talked to her did you think she was going to say "I run a puppy mill, and spend as little money as possible, on my dogs.. they are kept in cages and their feet have never touched grass and I breed the mothers to death."

Of course she is going to tell you how wonderfull her kennel is and how well they are taken care of. And I'm betting her dogs have never been seen by a vet.

Ask her for her vets phone number. It doesn't pay to ask for references because she will most likely give you the names of friends and relatives.

Please don't buy from a puppy mill.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Thanks so much for that info! I will call her soon and ask her to send pics of there conditions but i saw a few pics but it was only there huge fenced in back yard but thanks for that info i will be sure to ask her a lot of questions!!

Do you really think she is going to send you pictures of her actual facility. You can get pictures anywhere. It's a puppy mill, they sell to pet stores.

If you are set on getting a morkie, there are lots of small breeders out there that breed for morkies. Some that are close to you so you can visit them.

You came here asking for advice, and you are getting good advice.

Have a friend email and pretend to live close to them and ask if they can come and visit the facility. See what they say.

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Well when i talked to her she said that she goes to a vet that was said to be one of the best vets for like 20 years adn she has vet certificates that state that she has been check and that the puppy doesnt leave her house unless she is healthy and she does have a health gaurenteefor a year and has many certificates to make sure that we feel secure with our pup. She also said that she doesnt breed for profit and after more than 20 years of breeding she does it for the love and companionship of all the puppies. Also all of her pets are in a safe enviorment adn im sure that some nice old lady (over 70 years old) wont send me pics that arent real i hope!

If she doesn't breed for profit, why does she have so many dogs. Just because she is 70 does not mean she is honest. Crooks and con artists get old just like the rest of us do.

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Also why would you want to have your puppy stuck in a plane and fly over to you? there was a recent news article that several puppies died in flight while being shipped from a miller. Why would you risk that on a baby?

I agree with everything CaptNoonie said, but I wanted to expand on this. I had Kaji shipped at a year old. SO he's older, means he can handle it perfectly right? WRONG! He arrived smelling like pee, which I don't think was his own, and covered in fleas that I think he got from an un-kept dog that was in the same flight as him. He is shy by nature, so a frightening flight just made him more high strung and nervous. It's been a year, he's now 2, and I'm still working with him. He's a completely awesome dog who has opened up VERY SLOWLY, and now plays with his toys and does tricks in our home. (which he never did before) BUT, I still can't take him places without him completely freaking out. There are a total of 3 places he likes and will gladly go to. I take him everywhere, expose him to everything, and out of over 100 places he's been in the last year, only 3 won't make him jump out of his skin.

That's just something for you to think about.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Do you really think she is going to send you pictures of her actual facility. You can get pictures anywhere. It's a puppy mill, they sell to pet stores.

If you are set on getting a morkie, there are lots of small breeders out there that breed for morkies. Some that are close to you so you can visit them.

You came here asking for advice, and you are getting good advice.

Have a friend email and pretend to live close to them and ask if they can come and visit the facility. See what they say.

I just wanted to reply to what I bolded. If the OP wants a morkie, she should try to adopt one from the shelter, which are full of mixed breed dogs. Why go to a "small breeder" even locally, to support someone who purposely breeds "designer" dogs. Maybe on oops litter I can kind of understand, but still that is being irresponsible. A small breeder that purposely breeds morkies or other "designer" dogs over and over again is no better than a byb or miller trying to cash in on the designer dog fad.

I agree have a friend email her and try to get a visit. Even use a secondary email address and do it yourself. That's a good idea.

[Meghan1007]

Wow you people should calm down! I really appreciate all this advise but i talked to her and I also searched her up an she seems really reliable on what i found out about her except that she does sell to some pet stores but that's none of your business whether she does that or not. Her testimonials all sounded like the puppies were very good and taken care of and almost all of them said that their puppy smelled great and that they were groomed nicely unlike some other breeders they've bought from! Also one of them said that her kennels were very well kept and the fact that she allows people to come in a check out the kennels makes it seem to me that they should be in good shape also it said that all the dogs looked healthy and happy and that they trusted her with their puppy! I don't think its any of yours business of stating your opinions about were I'm getting my puppy and that I should buy from a shelter because were do you think most of those dogs come from a puppy mill, so they will be ungroomed and smelly too and I did look at shelters first and none of them in my area had any dog that would fit my lifestyle and where and how I am getting my dog is my business and i started this post not to get overexcited people to start posting on telling me not to get a dog from somewhere that they think is bad which is wrong of you to do that, that harsh when after the moment i saw it and fell in love and already put money down on it have people criticize me for trying to adopt my first family puppy but i put it up so that people could appreciate and feel happy that someone s adopting a puppy for their family and have a few questions! i can't believe how far some of you will go and it's kind of disturbing and this site was put up so that people with yorkies or a mix of a yorkie could just nicely share stories about there dogs or any questions that they had but to you people you get far to into and post rude and hurtful comments and it sometimes go way to far! ...but thanks for your help and advise but i am going to get my puppy because she deserves a loving home just as much as another puppy from anywhere else!!!

[Meghan1007]

Originally Posted by majesticyorkies

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Ohhh shes so cute!!!!! Do you have puppy pics!!!

[bchgirl]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Wow you people should calm down! I really appreciate all this advise but i talked to her and I also searched her up an she seems really reliable on what i found out about her except that she does sell to some pet stores but that's none of your business whether she does that or not. Her testimonials all sounded like the puppies were very good and taken care of and almost all of them said that their puppy smelled great and that they were groomed nicely unlike some other breeders they've bought from! Also one of them said that her kennels were very well kept and the fact that she allows people to come in a check out the kennels makes it seem to me that they should be in good shape also it said that all the dogs looked healthy and happy and that they trusted her with their puppy! I don't think its any of yours business of stating your opinions about were I'm getting my puppy and that I should buy from a shelter because were do you think most of those dogs come from a puppy mill, so they will be ungroomed and smelly too and I did look at shelters first and none of them in my area had any dog that would fit my lifestyle and where and how I am getting my dog is my business and i started this post not to get overexcited people to start posting on telling me not to get a dog from somewhere that they think is bad which is wrong of you to do that, that harsh when after the moment i saw it and fell in love and already put money down on it have people criticize me for trying to adopt my first family puppy but i put it up so that people could appreciate and feel happy that someone s adopting a puppy for their family and have a few questions! i can't believe how far some of you will go and it's kind of disturbing and this site was put up so that people with yorkies or a mix of a yorkie could just nicely share stories about there dogs or any questions that they had but to you people you get far to into and post rude and hurtful comments and it sometimes go way to far! ...but thanks for your help and advise but i am going to get my puppy because she deserves a loving home just as much as another puppy from anywhere else!!!

Unfortunately since this is a commerical breeder...."saving" that one puppy means another will take it's place while her parents are condemned to a life of overbreeding.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...rt_holders.txt

[Meghan1007]

umm did you not read what i just wrote???I don't want to hear anything that's negative against my decisions its none of your business!! : 0

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

umm did you not read what i just wrote???I don't want to hear anything that's negative against my decisions its none of your business!! : 0

I wish you the best with your new Morkie. I have a Morkie who is the love of my life. I do hope you realize that you are supporting puppy mills. Maybe your puppy deserves a loving home like every other pup, but this woman sure as heck doesn't deserve any support. Plus, she sells to pet stores but is not in it for the money? She's selling to give the pet a wonderful temporary home in a cage??

You obviously have already made a decision. I sure hope you read over the health contract carefully. I just bought a puppy from a breeder 2 weeks ago and on the 3rd day he began having seizures. He was diagnosed $2000 later. Believe me, that if something is not right with that puppy, you will NOT return him.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

Unfortunately since this is a commerical breeder...."saving" that one puppy means another will take it's place while her parents are condemned to a life of overbreeding.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_wel...rt_holders.txt

I think the OP has made it clear she doesn't care that she's buying from a puppy mill. Sad & actually very shocking to me that someone who gets this information before completing the sale of a puppy isn't concerned about someone that makes their living off the backs of their dogs and doesn't care where their puppies go and is mass breeding and keeping them in kennels.
The information is out there and we can only hope that anyone else looking for a puppy and sees the name of this breeder will run the other way!
That's the beauty of this kind of information being public. We can't make everyone care about unethical breeders, but many do and this info is here for them to see!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Wow you people should calm down! I really appreciate all this advise but i talked to her and I also searched her up an she seems really reliable on what i found out about her except that she does sell to some pet stores but that's none of your business whether she does that or not. Her testimonials all sounded like the puppies were very good and taken care of and almost all of them said that their puppy smelled great and that they were groomed nicely unlike some other breeders they've bought from! Also one of them said that her kennels were very well kept and the fact that she allows people to come in a check out the kennels makes it seem to me that they should be in good shape also it said that all the dogs looked healthy and happy and that they trusted her with their puppy! I don't think its any of yours business of stating your opinions about were I'm getting my puppy and that I should buy from a shelter because were do you think most of those dogs come from a puppy mill, so they will be ungroomed and smelly too and I did look at shelters first and none of them in my area had any dog that would fit my lifestyle and where and how I am getting my dog is my business and i started this post not to get overexcited people to start posting on telling me not to get a dog from somewhere that they think is bad which is wrong of you to do that, that harsh when after the moment i saw it and fell in love and already put money down on it have people criticize me for trying to adopt my first family puppy but i put it up so that people could appreciate and feel happy that someone s adopting a puppy for their family and have a few questions! i can't believe how far some of you will go and it's kind of disturbing and this site was put up so that people with yorkies or a mix of a yorkie could just nicely share stories about there dogs or any questions that they had but to you people you get far to into and post rude and hurtful comments and it sometimes go way to far! ...but thanks for your help and advise but i am going to get my puppy because she deserves a loving home just as much as another puppy from anywhere else!!!

Show me where anyone has posted rude or hurtful comments! All we have posted is helpful advice from people older, wiser, and more experienced than you. And no, it doesn't matter how old in AGE you are, but you obviously haven't experienced what many people on here have from buying from a miller. We are trying to save you from heartache, but if you don't care about us caring about you, then there is nothing else we can do. We still post and answer posts such as yours bc there are many people who just read and lurk and we do NOT want more people thinking that buying from this type of place is acceptable.

You are supporting a miller, and if she's not a miller, she at least a large scale back yard breeder. You are not saving that puppy, you are putting money in the miller's pocket so they can continue to exploit these beautiful innocent creatures.

So you already put money down on a pup, if you walk away now, that deposit will be a drop in the bucket of money lost compared to the vet bills it will accrue if it has any type of illness, and any illnesses or genetic conditions may not arise until later. Puppymill dogs can be ticking time bombs.

This lady is not going to put up upset customer testimonials, she's only gonna put up positive ones. Who even knows if they are true. Why don't you try the email thing someone suggested earlier, I really think it's a good idea. Why you believe every single thing this woman tells you and not us is beyond me. We are trying to help you. Like i said before, we are not trying to get your money, she is. She will say anything to you to get you to believe her so you can send her more money!

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by Reese1

I think the OP has made it clear she doesn't care that she's buying from a puppy mill. Sad & actually very shocking to me that someone who gets this information before completing the sale of a puppy isn't concerned about someone that makes their living off the backs of their dogs and doesn't care where their puppies go and is mass breeding and keeping them in kennels.
The information is out there and we can only hope that anyone else looking for a puppy and sees the name of this breeder will run the other way!
That's the beauty of this kind of information being public. We can't make everyone care about unethical breeders, but many do and this info is here for them to see!

that's why we need to continue to post, even when the OP only wants us to post positive posts only. If we always agreed with everyone 100% of the time, no one us would learn anything!