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[Meghan1007]

Yes i researched both breed health issues and they have almost all the same issues and when researching a lot of the web sites said that when its a mixed breed a lot of the bad health issues get cut out somehow and that most mutts have less health issues than their purebred breeds!

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Yes thats the breeder, but I also thought that she was going to be a bad breeder to but we called and talked to her a lot about her kennel and she has been doing it for a very long time for like 30 years and has been working with pro vets and makes sure that all the dogs are happy and healthy and they are all well socialized with all the pups around and they have tons of people working and playing with all the pups which makes all the work easier and Im more relaxed now. Why do you think that there could be red flags?

There are quite a few reasons actually:
They breed at least 7 breeds + multiple mixed breeds. (most reputable breeders breed one or two breeds at the most)
They are on USDA lists (this usually means "puppy mill")
In fact if you google their name & kennel you will find articles related to puppy stores & and pet shop puppies site that lists them as a breeder.
NO reputable breeder sells to pet stores!
MO is the puppy mill capital of the world. They have puppies advertised all over the place, some as young as 8 weeks that I found.
Are you visiting them in person, seeing the dogs, puppies, living conditions??
JMO, but I wouldn't touch this breeder or line their pockets at all!

[Meghan1007]

Thanks so much for that info! I will call her soon and ask her to send pics of there conditions but i saw a few pics but it was only there huge fenced in back yard but thanks for that info i will be sure to ask her a lot of questions!!

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Thanks so much for that info! I will call her soon and ask her to send pics of there conditions but i saw a few pics but it was only there huge fenced in back yard but thanks for that info i will be sure to ask her a lot of questions!!

http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=43B0172

All I can say is WOW, at the number of dogs & puppies!
This is obviously a business!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Yes i researched both breed health issues and they have almost all the same issues and when researching a lot of the web sites said that when its a mixed breed a lot of the bad health issues get cut out somehow and that most mutts have less health issues than their purebred breeds!

You might want to take a look at a very recent post (today) in the General Forum, about Morkies.

And I'm sorry to say bad health issues do not get "cut" out when breeding, they can get re-inforced, or you can get lucky. How-ever there are no reliable, in fact there are no statistics that show "mutts" are healthier than purebreds. In fact that is a common statement, which has no basis in valid research.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by gemy

You might want to take a look at a very recent post (today) in the General Forum, about Morkies.

And I'm sorry to say bad health issues do not get "cut" out when breeding, they can get re-inforced, or you can get lucky. How-ever there are no reliable, in fact there are no statistics that show "mutts" are healthier than purebreds. In fact that is a common statement, which has no basis in valid research.

Here is the post:


note for any new morkie puppies
Anyone that is thinking about getting a new puppy should take this warning
we adopted a morkie from a breeder just outside chatham a little over a year ago-----brought him home (we live in kincardine ont) made an appointment with our vet and took him in for a checkup-----he had the worst heart murmor that our vet has ever seen --------------i phoned the breeder right then from the vets office and told her -----she said that most all small dogs have heart murmors and it should go away---- my vet said the opposite--that this one was away too bad and we would loose our new puppy -----i asked the breeder if she had had a vet check the pups when they were born -----she said no that it was too exspensive and not needed ---- scooter has been a good dog --for the length of time we have had him-----so i am not sorry that i got him -----but do not --i repeat ------do not --------get a new puppy from anyone without first being sure it has had a good vet look it over ---
before you pick it up ---once you have one at home it.s yours in more way's than one---youcant part with them after you have them heart murmor or not

[cally930]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Thanks so much for that info! I will call her soon and ask her to send pics of there conditions but i saw a few pics but it was only there huge fenced in back yard but thanks for that info i will be sure to ask her a lot of questions!!

Call her and ask to send pics??? You seem too nice and way too trusting. How do you know that they are not sending you pictures of Martha Stuart's home. Unless you personally visit - you aren't sure of the conditions. I truly wish you the happiest healthiest puppy - but listen to the facts that some of the others have posted. There are a lot of other reputable breeders. You can start your search from here. Wishing you nothing but the best!!!

[Meghan1007]

Well when i talked to her she said that she goes to a vet that was said to be one of the best vets for like 20 years adn she has vet certificates that state that she has been check and that the puppy doesnt leave her house unless she is healthy and she does have a health gaurenteefor a year and has many certificates to make sure that we feel secure with our pup. She also said that she doesnt breed for profit and after more than 20 years of breeding she does it for the love and companionship of all the puppies. Also all of her pets are in a safe enviorment adn im sure that some nice old lady (over 70 years old) wont send me pics that arent real i hope!

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Well when i talked to her she said that she goes to a vet that was said to be one of the best vets for like 20 years adn she has vet certificates that state that she has been check and that the puppy doesnt leave her house unless she is healthy and she does have a health gaurenteefor a year and has many certificates to make sure that we feel secure with our pup. She also said that she doesnt breed for profit and after more than 20 years of breeding she does it for the love and companionship of all the puppies. Also all of her pets are in a safe enviorment adn im sure that some nice old lady (over 70 years old) wont send me pics that arent real i hope!

Well, check out her references, ask to speak to her vet. Ask for what breed specific health tests have been done.

I have posted earlier on her "health guaranetee" there are wide enough loopholes to drive a Mac Truck through.

I think you have already sold yourself on this pup, from this breeder. Just know that from what we can fathom from her website, and your posts, you are making a risky decision.

I sincerely hope, your pup ends up to be healthy and well for all the days you want to love em.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Well when i talked to her she said that she goes to a vet that was said to be one of the best vets for like 20 years adn she has vet certificates that state that she has been check and that the puppy doesnt leave her house unless she is healthy and she does have a health gaurenteefor a year and has many certificates to make sure that we feel secure with our pup. She also said that she doesnt breed for profit and after more than 20 years of breeding she does it for the love and companionship of all the puppies. Also all of her pets are in a safe enviorment adn im sure that some nice old lady (over 70 years old) wont send me pics that arent real i hope!

Doesn't breed for profit? And you believed her? She is certainly not breeding to improve the breed.
And what makes you think she is over 70?? Searching on the net looks like she is in her 50's.

Please find a puppy at a breeder's where you can go and check the actual conditions yourself. Anyone can say anything on the internet.
I could say I was svelte like and looked like Marilyn Monroe.

[majesticyorkies]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

hereis anew picat 6 weeks old! Morkies are the cutest!!

How cute! I had a oops litter of Morkies before i stoped breeding, I kept one her name is lilly. She looked just like your baby when she was a puppy, All the black grew off on her and she is Gold with white on her chest, all four paws. I will try to put a pic up of her for you to see... I know one thing I do love her so much she is the best of both the maltese and yorkie all rooled into one sweet baby. I would not trade her for anything. You will be happy with yours too. I know you will!

[majesticyorkies]

Originally Posted by majesticyorkies

How cute! I had a oops litter of Morkies before i stoped breeding, I kept one her name is lilly. She looked just like your baby when she was a puppy, All the black grew off on her and she is Gold with white on her chest, all four paws. I will try to put a pic up of her for you to see... I know one thing I do love her so much she is the best of both the maltese and yorkie all rooled into one sweet baby. I would not trade her for anything. You will be happy with yours too. I know you will!

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[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Well when i talked to her she said that she goes to a vet that was said to be one of the best vets for like 20 years adn she has vet certificates that state that she has been check and that the puppy doesnt leave her house unless she is healthy and she does have a health gaurenteefor a year and has many certificates to make sure that we feel secure with our pup. She also said that she doesnt breed for profit and after more than 20 years of breeding she does it for the love and companionship of all the puppies. Also all of her pets are in a safe enviorment adn im sure that some nice old lady (over 70 years old) wont send me pics that arent real i hope!

Please read through this site, also click on the "A" & "B" certificate holders at the top of the site and search for this breeder. They are USDA licensed under both! Breeders who are USDA licensed are traditionally commercial breeders. This means they sell to pet stores, brokers, etc..

Petstore Cruelty

These type of breeders DO breed for profit, making a living off the backs of dogs that know a life only in a kennel. They are not pets to breeders like this.
Her telling you this vet is one of the best doesn't really mean anything, I mean how would you know any different? I'm sure he loves her, with hundreds and hundreds of dogs, it keeps his business going strong. Besides there are rules regarding vet care that USDA breeders have to follow. Personally, I wouldn't service a vet that I knew supported this type of breeder.

It sounds like you have made up your mind about this puppy though. I wasn't sure if you were aware of who you are buying from.
A lot of people on this site will tell you that you buy your breeder first and that really is how it should be. The breeder should be in it only for the betterment of the breed.

[majesticyorkies]

Originally Posted by gemy

Here is the post:


note for any new morkie puppies
Anyone that is thinking about getting a new puppy should take this warning
we adopted a morkie from a breeder just outside chatham a little over a year ago-----brought him home (we live in kincardine ont) made an appointment with our vet and took him in for a checkup-----he had the worst heart murmor that our vet has ever seen --------------i phoned the breeder right then from the vets office and told her -----she said that most all small dogs have heart murmors and it should go away---- my vet said the opposite--that this one was away too bad and we would loose our new puppy -----i asked the breeder if she had had a vet check the pups when they were born -----she said no that it was too exspensive and not needed ---- scooter has been a good dog --for the length of time we have had him-----so i am not sorry that i got him -----but do not --i repeat ------do not --------get a new puppy from anyone without first being sure it has had a good vet look it over ---
before you pick it up ---once you have one at home it.s yours in more way's than one---youcant part with them after you have them heart murmor or not

Yes!! You are right! Please be careful... I only read your first post on this thread.. It is better to buy from someone close to you so you can see how the Mom and Dad are kept, I agree with this post. make sure it's not a puppy mill. Good luck to you. I wish the best for you... but a former breeder I would like to warn you as well, It is better to deal with a breeder close to you. I never shipped my puppies. It's too hard on them. Just think about it before u do anything. I would hate to see something bad happen. You should read the post put up today about a puppies being shipped its on the top of ty second thread down. Best wishes to you.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by gemy

"If within 12 months from the date of birth, your pup is diagnosed as having a debilitating, hereditary defect, that prevents your puppy from serving you as a companion pet, we will replace it with anther of the same breed. "

And the original pup is returned to seller at your cost. But watch out for the sentence prevents your puppy for serving as a companion pet..... Just exactly what condition would that be? LP 3or 4 Liver Shunt, Cardiomyopathy, PRA, etc are just a few examples of diseases that are costly to treat, yet the dog can still "serve" as a companion pet.

Ask yourself if a) you could return that pup after loving it for 10 months and b) Just exactly what they will do with this pup when it is returned?

This health guarantee is complete BS. "prevents your puppy from serving you as a companion pet" Who in the world would give up a pup after a few months to get another one from the same breeder anyway, with probably the same or similar lineage? Also most likely the "breeder" will put down the returned pup, bc they are not worth money, and treating the condition would cause them to lose more money.

Originally Posted by Meghan1007

Yes thats the breeder, but I also thought that she was going to be a bad breeder to but we called and talked to her a lot about her kennel and she has been doing it for a very long time for like 30 years and has been working with pro vets and makes sure that all the dogs are happy and healthy and they are all well socialized with all the pups around and they have tons of people working and playing with all the pups which makes all the work easier and Im more relaxed now. Why do you think that there could be red flags?

A byb or miller will not tell you over the phone they are one. Of course she will tell you the opposite. If she has tons of people working for her, she has to pay them right? That means she's doing this for the money. Living off the backs of her dogs.

If a breeder truly loves a breed, they will breed to protect it, and for the betterment of the breed. Have you noticed that yorkies looks nowadays range considerably? Have you ever thought someone's yorkie didn't look like a yorkie? Those breeders did not strive to better the breed. (FYI, just bc a dog is registered with the AKC doesn't mean they should be bred either, it just means that breeder can keep decent records. And if a breeder registers with ACA, APRI, CKC run away.)

A breeder who purposely breeds mixed breed dogs is NOT doing it for the love of the breed, they are doing it for the love of the money. Mixed breeds does not protect the individual breeds. If you want a morkie specifically, adopt one from your local shelter, they are full of mixed breed dogs.

Also why would you want to have your puppy stuck in a plane and fly over to you? there was a recent news article that several puppies died in flight while being shipped from a miller. Why would you risk that on a baby?

If you have already made up your mind about this person, then I hope the best for you. But why add the additional risk when you don't have to? Better yet, look for local breeders in your area, at least then you can check out the living conditions in person. i would not believe a stranger over the phone or internet. Just like you can choose to believe her or not, you can choose whether or not to believe us. We are not trying to get your money, she is. We are trying to save you from potential heartache.