Puppies available for Christmas in Washington, near Portland, Oregon

[Sugar's Mom]

not meant for you!!!!!!!! Just a general comment because I see so many arguements on the for sale board usually by people that have no interest in purchasing interjecting themselves. I know there are people that don't research this breed or breeders and need to learn but it behooves each and every one of us to do some digging for ourselves when we go to purchase a yorkie. I feel like if the seller asks a question, then it should be answered by some one that knows. Anything else , like red flags or warnings about breeders and etc., should be in a pm. There would be a whole lot less people feeling attacked even if they aren't and a whole lot less arguments.

[diva pup]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

Good idea about the policy. There should also be one that says 'unless you are really interested in purchasing a puppy, we kindly ask you to refrain from posting on this thread."

I posted in this thread, as did a few others that I am sure had no interest in buying a puppy. Why do you think that is such a good idea? I think the people that do post on things they notice like a 6 week old puppy at Christmas certainly should throw their thoughts in.

IMHO it is the responsibility of every dog forum administration to educate unknowing potential pet buyers particularly IF they allow puppies for sale. On a site this large with SO MANY puppy sellers coming on it is virtually impossible to police this area and many do not read all the information on the site until they have a sick 7 week old puppy..

Thank heavens there are people who care about the welfare of the pups to voice their concerns. I would have to wonder why you have objection to that

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom

not meant for you!!!!!!!! Just a general comment because I see so many arguements on the for sale board usually by people that have no interest in purchasing interjecting themselves. I know there are people that don't research this breed or breeders and need to learn but it behooves each and every one of us to do some digging for ourselves when we go to purchase a yorkie. I feel like if the seller asks a question, then it should be answered by some one that knows. Anything else , like red flags or warnings about breeders and etc., should be in a pm. There would be a whole lot less people feeling attacked even if they aren't and a whole lot less arguments.

I disagree because for the ones who are researching may not know what a red flag looks like. I believe there are posts in this thread as well as others in various posts on this forum that have learned from the cautions on the forum as well as their own experiences after purchasing, and would now do things differently if they were to buy again.
A PM does nothing to warn prospective buyers BEFORE a purchase. A prospective buyer can certainly do as they please as long as they have the opportunity to be fully informed of what they are walking into before they buy.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by LunasMomma

OMG, I got Luna at 9 weeks old, with no holiday things going on, and almost lost her to hypoglycemia! 6 weeks is way too young to let a puppy go to a new home, especially at Christmastime. And someone needs to get their big girl panties on and take the advice by the experienced folks here as it was meant, not as a personal attack

Maybe there should be a policy about these puppy for sale ads: That one has to be a long standing member (x amount of posts, or time here) before they can advertise any puppies for sale. It just seems to me that the ads that throw up the red flags have very little posts. Or am I nuts?

Nope, you are not nuts but bang on target. on your post. Hypoglycemia is pretty scary and you would know as you have seen it.

[Raymond's Mom]

Six and a half week old toy breed of pups available at Christmas. Now I've heard it all. Any time a breed becomes popular, as unfortunately this breed has, those that are only interested in profit commence breeding. There is no excuse for this other than sheer greed. Everyone had nothing but bad to say about Cynthia Hill's negliance in the fire that killed many dogs. I don't feel what this lady is doing is any better. Any one who has dealt with this breed knows that, even under the best of circumstances, 6 week old pups shouldn't be sold. That point isn't even arguable....PERIOD. And even AKC, who doesn't take a stand on much, takes a stand against selling X-mas pups, of any breed. Again, a no brainer.

Everyone on this list want to make nice, nice and give warm little fuzzies to all who post. Nothing wrong with that but then I'd suggest you weed out the people who will sacrifice innocent pups merely for profit, justifying it with nonsensical arguments and attacks and have only people post who are trying to learn and do right by this breed.

My God, think of those poor puppies.

[RLC12345678]

I just want to play devil's advocate for a second. I got my first yorkie, Hobbs, during Christmas time last year and I did it on purpose because both my husband and myself were off for 2 weeks for Christmas vacation and we figured this would be the best time to get a yorkie since we were both going to be off work and have a whole 2 weeks to devote to the new addition to our family. I know my parents did the same exact thing when they got their yorkie. Secondly, yorkies are very expensive. I would not have been able to get my first yorkie unless my parents were willing to give it to us as a gift. They offered to buy us a yorkie for a Christmas gift. How sad would my husband and I have been if no one sold yorkies around Chritmas time.


I see no problem with selling yorkies near Christmas time, but I do have a problem with them being sold at 6 1/2 weeks old. That is just too young.

[Raymond's Mom]

That's wonderful. You sound like a great home for a puppy. What concerns us are the busy hectic homes, kids home from school, friends over to play, company at the house....all wanting to play with the puppy. It's not long before those situations run the pup into the ground, literally. And as you said also, 6 weeks is way too young. That's setting the poor buyers up for trauma and a huge vet bill if the pup does go down, and sets the pup up for much suffering.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by RLC12345678

I just want to play devil's advocate for a second. I got my first yorkie, Hobbs, during Christmas time last year and I did it on purpose because both my husband and myself were off for 2 weeks for Christmas vacation and we figured this would be the best time to get a yorkie since we were both going to be off work and have a whole 2 weeks to devote to the new addition to our family. I know my parents did the same exact thing when they got their yorkie. Secondly, yorkies are very expensive. I would not have been able to get my first yorkie unless my parents were willing to give it to us as a gift. They offered to buy us a yorkie for a Christmas gift. How sad would my husband and I have been if no one sold yorkies around Chritmas time.


I see no problem with selling yorkies near Christmas time, but I do have a problem with them being sold at 6 1/2 weeks old. That is just too young.

Under 12 weeks of age is too young. Agreed. However you must realize that your particular situation of buying at Christmas is a very rare situation and is not the norm for a puppy at Christmas or any other holiday time for that matter. I would be cautious to make a blanket statement that selling Yorkies near Christmas time is no problem. 99% of the time it is for any puppy or animal.

[red98vett]

I agree with everyone who feels the red flags SHOULD be addressed - and comments should be welcome on the FOR SALE Ads.

Let's look at it this way - most of the people who RAISE the red flags are USUALLY only here to sell Puppies - It's rare they actually become a member or are already a member - and frankly - most don't care what we think -

BUT......for the person who is looking for a puppy - these threads can offer more info than they normally get from a straight for sale ad.

I personally am ALWAYS looking for my next yorkie and sometimes what I think may be a great ad - is actually one that has nothing but red flags on further scrutiny -

It's a huge help to hear peoples replies and I hope it continues.....The Sellers have a big platform to sell their puppies here - if they can't take the heat - maybe they need to go to PETFINDER where everyone else and their scammer...I mean uncle ...sells.

At least HERE with our members who CARE about dogs - the good breeders are congratulated and the 'not so good' may learn something about the next time they want to sell puppies.

[Ponyup]

Just a thought. We could start a thread (and mark it as a sticky) & list all the red flags we can think of when dealing with a breeder. Then when a breeder's post raises some red flags we can just copy & paste the address for the red flag thread. That way we are still informing buyers of the red flags without causing a ton of drama. Just a thought.

I also think it's wrong that bad breeders are allowed to advertise here, so maybe we could work something out with admin. Like if you feel a post has some red flags report it to admin & if they feel the poster does not have the best interest of the pups at heart they can delete the post.

[ehunney]

Originally Posted by Ponyup

Just a thought. We could start a thread (and mark it as a sticky) & list all the red flags we can think of when dealing with a breeder. Then when a breeder's post raises some red flags we can just copy & paste the address for the red flag thread. That way we are still informing buyers of the red flags without causing a ton of drama. Just a thought.

I also think it's wrong that bad breeders are allowed to advertise here, so maybe we could work something out with admin. Like if you feel a post has some red flags report it to admin & if they feel the poster does not have the best interest of the pups at heart they can delete the post.

Your a GENIUS! And I feel this will keep "for sale threads" on topic and stop a lot of arguments!

[Raymond's Mom]

Excellent ideas! Just as Ebay relies on viewers to let them know if live animals are offered for sale, "Red Flags" might be reported to Admin. I certainly don't blame them for wanting a friendly list but geeze, how do you get through to the people that are ripping off the public at the expense of the puppy's welfare and maybe its life?? I know, those people won't change, not when the "big bucks" are rolling in. But your idea of listing "red flags" could be invaluable to prospective buyers. I'd be happy to help out.

[chloeandj]

I usually don't get involved but...Do you think the babies will not sell well if you wait until they are atleast 8 weeks? (even that's so young!) I just don't understand and can't imagine taking a 6 week old BABY from it's environment, why not let your children play with them a little longer, they will only have been walking for a little while and will not have even been socialized to much of anything at that time. The stress alone of changing homes...it's young immunity system...it won't even have it's first shots...This is a true shame that anyone would consider moving a baby BABY into a new family at that age. It would be very scary for the little darlings and unhealthy...Surely in your christian home, you would have much empathy and heart for the little ones.

BTW, isn't it ILLEGAL to place a puppy before 8 weeks of age?

[Ponyup]

Originally Posted by ehunney

Your a GENIUS! And I feel this will keep "for sale threads" on topic and stop a lot of arguments!

Thanks

[ehunney]

Originally Posted by Ponyup

Thanks

It's true, thats been the best suggestion yet!