Parti Color? YTCA?

[Woogie Man]

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Originally Posted by gemy

I have read this "debate" almost daily, and am still confused. Why did the breed club feel the need to put in a DQ for parti colored dogs? Why if it is a DQ, does the AKC allow parti's to be registered as Yorkies?

I believe the breed club and the AKC are at odds, having differing opinions, over this issue. The breed club sets the standard. It is a snafu akin to the tail (registry) wagging the dog (breed club).

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Because this deer is spotted does it make him not a deer?
The piebald gene does show up in numerous animals and guess what some humans have the piebald gene. I guess the Shih Tzu really gets around doesn't it.

[Brooklynn]

I think this thread is way beyond help LOL...I keep reading about adding a variation to the show ring for Parti's what is not everyone getting? AKC hasn't added a variation to any breed for showing in years and it's not going to happen. What part of that is not getting through????? AKC can't add a variation UNLESS YTCA presents it to AKC and even then as seen in the quote I got off the AKC website that breed club was "turned down". The YTCA at this point is NOT going to allow Parti's in the show ring period. Those can talk till they are blue in the face and I can talk till I'm blue in the face it's just NOT gonna happen "anytime" in the near future.
I will state ONCE AGAIN, I've never called any Parti breeder names or called anyone non reputable that breeds Parti's but everyone knows I uphold the standard and my convictions.
As, Jim stated, I refuse to even take those Parti breeders serious when they say we'll take our Parti carriers in the ring and I don't care what one says, I'll do what I want, yada yada yada....show breeders dye dogs to win, do whatever it takes to win, again, yada yada yada....I try to do the right thing but yet again we are expected to change our beliefs just to satisfy something we don't believe in...At this point it's all a moot point.
Our goal should be is elimitating all the serious health issues that are in this breed and stop fighting about freaking color and whether it's allowed in the show ring or who the heck is dying their dogs! It should be all about breeding a healthier Yorkshire Terrier and not about color!

Donna

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Because this deer is spotted does it make him not a deer?
The piebald gene does show up in numerous animals and guess what some humans have the piebald gene. I guess the Shih Tzu really gets around doesn't it.

But it does make this deer easier to spot in the wild, thus making it easier to catch and kill - as seem by this hunter's trophy kill. This deer no longer had its camoflauge color to help protect it in the wild. There are many other animals that are not born with it own specific color and it usually does not last long in the wild.

There are also albinos in this world and they most always have problems with their eye sight.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I think this thread is way beyond help LOL...I keep reading about adding a variation to the show ring for Parti's what is not everyone getting? AKC hasn't added a variation to any breed for showing in years and it's not going to happen. What part of that is not getting through????? AKC can't add a variation UNLESS YTCA presents it to AKC and even then as seen in the quote I got off the AKC website that breed club was "turned down". The YTCA at this point is NOT going to allow Parti's in the show ring period. Those can talk till they are blue in the face and I can talk till I'm blue in the face it's just NOT gonna happen "anytime" in the near future.
I will state ONCE AGAIN, I've never called any Parti breeder names or called anyone non reputable that breeds Parti's but everyone knows I uphold the standard and my convictions.
As, Jim stated, I refuse to even take those Parti breeders serious when they say we'll take our Parti carriers in the ring and I don't care what one says, I'll do what I want, yada yada yada....show breeders dye dogs to win, do whatever it takes to win, again, yada yada yada....I try to do the right thing but yet again we are expected to change our beliefs just to satisfy something we don't believe in...At this point it's all a moot point.
Our goal should be is elimitating all the serious health issues that are in this breed and stop fighting about freaking color and whether it's allowed in the show ring or who the heck is dying their dogs! It should be all about breeding a healthier Yorkshire Terrier and not about color!


Thank God the voice of reason.

I tried to post earlier but I somehow erased my post

Here it is again.

The Yorkshire Terrier faces serious challenges today. Health issues are of deep concern. Where is the registry for LS dogs for example. How close are we to identifying the gene and or genes responsible for LS?
Bybers, and Puppy Mills are churning out so very bad representatives of the breed, and never a genetic test done. God help us.

The breed clubs has an overwhelming real and deep concern as to what is happening with our beautiful tan and blue standard Yorkie.

Until we (collectively) get these health concerns under control, the paramount duty of the club as I see it, is to strive forward with research, to try and curb somehow these bybers, and to safeguard the health, the temperament of our beautiful breed.

Until progress is made on these fronts, I'm sorry to say ethical Parti breeders, there just will not be any receptance to your plea for full parti recognition.

I do encourage you to promote genetic health testing, in fact to mandate that as part of an ethical breeders membership in your club.



Donna

Thank God the voice of reason.

I tried to post earlier but I somehow erased my post

Here it is again.

The Yorkshire Terrier faces serious challenges today. Health issues are of deep concern. Where is the registry for LS dogs for example. How close are we to identifying the gene and or genes responsible for LS?
Bybers, and Puppy Mills are churning out so very bad representatives of the breed, and never a genetic test done. God help us.

The breed clubs has an overwhelming real and deep concern as to what is happening with our beautiful tan and blue standard Yorkie.

Until we (collectively) get these health concerns under control, the paramount duty of the club as I see it, is to strive forward with research, to try and curb somehow these bybers, and to safeguard the health, the temperament of our beautiful breed.

Until progress is made on these fronts, I'm sorry to say ethical Parti breeders, there just will not be any receptance to your plea for full parti recognition.

I do encourage you to promote genetic health testing, in fact to mandate that as part of an ethical breeders membership in your club.

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by topknot

But it does make this deer easier to spot in the wild, thus making it easier to catch and kill - as seem by this hunter's trophy kill. This deer no longer had its camoflauge color to help protect it in the wild. There are many other animals that are not born with it own specific color and it usually does not last long in the wild.

There are also albinos in this world and they most always have problems with their eye sight.

Nobody hunts yorkies and they dont live in the wild. Parti yorkies arent albino and have eye pigmentation unlike albinos eyes that are pink.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs

Nobody hunts yorkies and they dont live in the wild. Parti yorkies arent albino and have eye pigmentation unlike albinos eyes that are pink.

No, but when Tina made her comment it was in referrence to another's quote who posted a pic of a spotted deer and humans having a piebald gene so Tina had every right to make her point in her post...BUT alas yorkies can have an eye pigmentation that is not there that would contain what one would think could be caused by a white gene hence maybe a Parti having pink eyes...Hmmm sounds possible to me....could happen when adding a white gene to a darker gene...it's all called genetics

[Breezeaway]

I was just pointing out that the piebald gene or Leucism shows up in many animals, it doesn't mean that they are mixed with anything. Even birds, squirrels,snakes etc.
Look at this cute pied squirrel.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs

Nobody hunts yorkies and they dont live in the wild. Parti yorkies arent albino and have eye pigmentation unlike albinos eyes that are pink.

Hey, I was only commenting on the example given. So I did have right to make comment in response to past post given. And who is to say there might not be a problem down the road we do not know of yet due to this peg. gene? Some food for thought. I believe that yorkies were developed for their blue and tan/gold and to me - yorkies will not be yorkies unless they are the blue and tan/gold color. JMO When I saw the tri-color here on Yorkie Talk at first - I thought to myself, "I thought this was a yorkie forum?" What is this? I have have been in yorkies for 30 some odd years and never - honestly - saw a tri-color till I got on Yorkie Talk. And I still have only seen photos on here of them. Never in person yet.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I was just pointing out that the piebald gene or Leucism shows up in many animals, it doesn't mean that they are mixed with anything. Even birds, squirrels,snakes etc.
Look at this cute pied squirrel.

I never knew squirrels could swim in water (believed to be for migration reasons) either till I read Lewis and Clark journal!

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

No, but when Tina made her comment it was in referrence to another's quote who posted a pic of a spotted deer and humans having a piebald gene so Tina had every right to make her point in her post...BUT alas yorkies can have an eye pigmentation that is not there that would contain what one would think could be caused by a white gene hence maybe a Parti having pink eyes...Hmmm sounds possible to me....could happen when adding a white gene to a darker gene...it's all called genetics

Go to AKC and look at all the dog breeds that have the Piebald gene. If it was a problem do yo think there would be so many breeds sporting that color?
Pink eyes come with albinos and Parti are not albinos.
An albino can be born from any color animal and human.

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I think this thread is way beyond help LOL...I keep reading about adding a variation to the show ring for Parti's what is not everyone getting? AKC hasn't added a variation to any breed for showing in years and it's not going to happen. What part of that is not getting through????? AKC can't add a variation UNLESS YTCA presents it to AKC and even then as seen in the quote I got off the AKC website that breed club was "turned down". The YTCA at this point is NOT going to allow Parti's in the show ring period. Those can talk till they are blue in the face and I can talk till I'm blue in the face it's just NOT gonna happen "anytime" in the near future.
I will state ONCE AGAIN, I've never called any Parti breeder names or called anyone non reputable that breeds Parti's but everyone knows I uphold the standard and my convictions.
As, Jim stated, I refuse to even take those Parti breeders serious when they say we'll take our Parti carriers in the ring and I don't care what one says, I'll do what I want, yada yada yada....show breeders dye dogs to win, do whatever it takes to win, again, yada yada yada....I try to do the right thing but yet again we are expected to change our beliefs just to satisfy something we don't believe in...At this point it's all a moot point.
Our goal should be is elimitating all the serious health issues that are in this breed and stop fighting about freaking color and whether it's allowed in the show ring or who the heck is dying their dogs! It should be all about breeding a healthier Yorkshire Terrier and not about color!

Donna

Originally Posted by gemy

Thank God the voice of reason.

I tried to post earlier but I somehow erased my post

Here it is again.

The Yorkshire Terrier faces serious challenges today. Health issues are of deep concern. Where is the registry for LS dogs for example. How close are we to identifying the gene and or genes responsible for LS?
Bybers, and Puppy Mills are churning out so very bad representatives of the breed, and never a genetic test done. God help us.

The breed clubs has an overwhelming real and deep concern as to what is happening with our beautiful tan and blue standard Yorkie.

Until we (collectively) get these health concerns under control, the paramount duty of the club as I see it, is to strive forward with research, to try and curb somehow these bybers, and to safeguard the health, the temperament of our beautiful breed.

Until progress is made on these fronts, I'm sorry to say ethical Parti breeders, there just will not be any receptance to your plea for full parti recognition.

I do encourage you to promote genetic health testing, in fact to mandate that as part of an ethical breeders membership in your club.

Donna, what you are saying is probably true about Partis gaining acceptance in the near future, and I don't disagree with you about that. I believe those who are breeding Partis should be allowed to have their dream, whether it is realized or not. I also believe that they should not be called disreputable because of it. I agree with both you and Gail that the health concerns should be the number one priority. I know I will have another Yorkie because I don't ever want to live without one, but I am absolutely terrified of finding one that is healthy. I would do whatever it would take if a baby of mine was not healthy, but no one wants to have to deal with heartache. I will have to do my research ro find a proper breeder and then take that leap of faith because my husband and I love Yorkies, and we need to have one in our lives.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

I was just pointing out that the piebald gene or Leucism shows up in many animals, it doesn't mean that they are mixed with anything. Even birds, squirrels,snakes etc.
Look at this cute pied squirrel.

I've never seen a black and white squirrel but I have seen white squirrels.
In Olney Illinois laws and police force protect its albino squirrel population as a civic treasure.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by lisaly

Donna, what you are saying is probably true about Partis gaining acceptance in the near future, and I don't disagree with you about that. I believe those who are breeding Partis should be allowed to have their dream, whether it is realized or not. I also believe that they should not be called disreputable because of it. I agree with both you and Gail that the health concerns should be the number one priority. I know I will have another Yorkie because I don't ever want to live without one, but I am absolutely terrified of finding one that is healthy. I would do whatever it would take if a baby of mine was not healthy, but no one wants to have to deal with heartache. I will have to do my research ro find a proper breeder and then take that leap of faith because my husband and I love Yorkies, and we need to have one in our lives.

There are bad breeders within every breed whether one shows or not. There are bad breeders that show and they are bad breeders that breed off colored dogs...no way around it...
Health should be the #1 concern and priority period But always remember we can only do the best we can and unfortunately one can't not garnuantee with absolute certainty all will be healthy until the genetic marker for LS is identified and when something pops up it's taken care of and the breeding pair is eliminated out of the breeding program. It's all in what a breeder does when something happens and how they stand behind their breedings

I think I've stated before if I wanted a tri-colored dog or Parti I would be in another breed but my preference. I just hope all that does breed does it the right way and correct way and has that animal as it's #1 priority and it's best interest at heart and not for profit.

[topknot]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

I've never seen a black and white squirrel but I have seen white squirrels.
In Olney Illinois laws and police force protect its albino squirrel population as a civic treasure.

Without snow - these little guys would not make it well in the wild - too easy for prey to get them. They need the protection if they are going to survive.

The main thing here is that we are not scientists with degrees in genetics. We can study this topic as novices, but unitil we have a doctrine in this field we are playing with somethings we just do not know much about - reason we have a standard and should be health testing our dogs. Yes, health should always be number one concern, and IMHO - genetics is included in this area.