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jencar98 09-09-2010 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3265170)
Cane Corso is now AKC registered, but can't be shown in conformation! Get Ready Carlo, we will start pushing to have you shown! NOT
Now Steve....is this not the same with partis/biewers? But yet, your opinion of those of us that buy them is that we are clueless?

Jim, Thank you for clarifying the wolf hybrid post. Even if we disagree I've always thought of you as a person with convictions and integrity and was shocked at that post.

Woogie Man 09-09-2010 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3265164)
That's just it Jim....for parti/biewer breeders it is not a fault but a desired trait and with that it mind it is certainly not audacious for them to desire to show the tri color yorkie.

I'm of the mind that you can't make up the rules as you go along to whatever suits you. I've said before that I love the bigger Yorkies, but you won't see me clamoring for a place in the ring for them.



Awww...say it ain't so, Jim?:confused:
Yep...true. Don't be confused. They were magnificent animals and I felt honored to have them with me. They helped to raise my kids and Toy raised Archie, my first Yorkie. I swear he's got instincts that go beyond that of a terrier and I credit Toy for that. Archie is my dog-son and, along with Heidi (my House Princess) is most special to me.

shodanusmc 09-09-2010 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3265183)
Now Steve....is this not the same with partis/biewers? But yet, your opinion of those of us that buy them is that we are clueless?

Jim, Thank you for clarifying the wolf hybrid post. Even if we disagree I've always thought of you as a person with convictions and integrity and was shocked at that post.
I apologize for the word clueless. I have nothing against them, I am simply saying they are not being breed to the Standard. I also can understand and am in afreement as to the why's the Cane Corso can't be shown in conformation. Why not just get a standard breed Yorkie to show, and have a Parti as a pet?

Woogie Man 09-09-2010 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3265183)
Now Steve....is this not the same with partis/biewers? But yet, your opinion of those of us that buy them is that we are clueless?

Jim, Thank you for clarifying the wolf hybrid post. Even if we disagree I've always thought of you as a person with convictions and integrity and was shocked at that post.
What are we disagreeing with? Oh, is it because you have a parti? That doesn't offend me....it's your business and I have no right to be offended by it and I have no problem with parti fanciers breeding parti-to-parti. It's kind of like we could all co-exist and 'east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet'. I truly believe that bringing in standard Yorkshires to breed with them will taint the gene pool, however...and it's already tainted enough. I have to wonder why the need anyway, since the pedigrees of the partis go back to quality stock.

Jenn, even if we do 'disagree', I find nothing disagreeable about you. We can all have differing opinions and still be friends. :)

Beamers Mom 09-09-2010 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3265170)
Cane Corso is now AKC registered, but can't be shown in conformation! Get Ready Carlo, we will start pushing to have you shown! NOT
I thought Cane Corso's could be shown in conformation??

Beautiful dogs - but too big for me:D

shodanusmc 09-09-2010 09:30 AM
Working only, but as a non shower, not 100% sure. When Carlo was under 1 year, I took him to shows in the area and have 3 first places. They are shown in ARBA.

Breezeaway 09-09-2010 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3264744)
Only time will tell. Things will change, people will die, life will go on. The partis will not go away.
No, the parti's are not going away as they are in Canada and now in South Africa and are registered with The Kennel Union of Southern Africa.
I also know of some ladies checking into have frozen semen shipped in to the UK.
Its only a matter of time before they are world wide.

yorkiekist 09-09-2010 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 3265027)
Why is it doubtful that the Maltese was used? Book after book written in the early days of the breed, reference the Maltese as thought to have been used in the make up of the breed? It wasn't until much later, that the Maltese was said to not be in the make up of the YT, this view is seen on the YTCA site (but the KC kennel club says maltese were in the YT makeup).

Also, the YTCA says the waterside terrier was used in the makeup of the breed ... otterhounds were used in the makeup of the waterside and otterhounds come in parti colors. So one way or the other, whether through the unpedigreed foundation dogs, or the maltese or the waterside (who were by the otther hound), there are genes for parti color and other off colors in the breed.
It is just common sense. Why, if you were wanting blue and tan SILK hair and prick ears, use a Maltese?

bchgirl 09-09-2010 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3265264)
Working only, but as a non shower, not 100% sure. When Carlo was under 1 year, I took him to shows in the area and have 3 first places. They are shown in ARBA.
Canes have been allowed to show in AKC confirmation events since June of this year. I've only a few showing in NAKC this year.

American Kennel Club - AKC Welcomes the Cane Corso, Icelandic Sheepdog and Leonberger

bchgirl 09-09-2010 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3265295)
No, the parti's are not going away as they are in Canada and now in South Africa and are registered with The Kennel Union of Southern Africa.
I also know of some ladies checking into have frozen semen shipped in to the UK.
Its only a matter of time before they are world wide.
Does the Canadian Kennel club register Parti's? Are they allowed to be shown in CKC?

Breezeaway 09-09-2010 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3265394)
Does the Canadian Kennel club register Parti's? Are they allowed to be shown in CKC?
Yes the Canadian Kennel Club does register them, I would have to ask C. if they allow them to show or not.

Brooklynn 09-09-2010 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3265208)
I apologize for the word clueless. I have nothing against them, I am simply saying they are not being breed to the Standard. I also can understand and am in afreement as to the why's the Cane Corso can't be shown in conformation. Why not just get a standard breed Yorkie to show, and have a Parti as a pet?
Cane Corso's can be shown in conformation classes. I see them at shows now alot :)

Pinehaven 09-09-2010 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3265356)
It is just common sense. Why, if you were wanting blue and tan SILK hair and prick ears, use a Maltese?
The maltese are no different from some of the other early dogs used in the breed like Swift's Old Crab, crossed scotch terrier, with coat 3-4" long, Kershaw's Kitty a drop eared skye who was solid blue without any tan, neither of these dogs had the coat or had the look of todays YT but by selective breeding over the years, the dogs evolved into what we see today.

If the maltese was used to breed to the early blue and tan YT type dogs to lengthen their offsprings coats, and that blue and tan dog did not carry the piebald gene, none of the pups would be white or parti colored. As for the reason to not use the Maltese because they have dropped ears, many early YT's had their ears cropped in order to get that prick eared look.

The American book of the dog: The ... - Google Books - ear cropping in the YT

yorkiekist 09-09-2010 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 3265432)
The maltese are no different from some of the other early dogs used in the breed like Swift's Old Crab, crossed scotch terrier, with coat 3-4" long, Kershaw's Kitty a drop eared skye who was solid blue without any tan, neither of these dogs had the coat or had the look of todays YT but by selective breeding over the years, the dogs evolved into what we see today.

If the maltese was used to breed to the early blue and tan YT type dogs to lengthen their offsprings coats, and that blue and tan dog did not carry the piebald gene, none of the pups would be white or parti colored. As for the reason to not use the Maltese because they have dropped ears, many early YT's had their ears cropped in order to get that prick eared look.

The American book of the dog: The ... - Google Books - ear cropping in the YT
The Paisley and Clydsdale already had correct silk and blue color. If I were breeding for these qualities I wouldnt add Maltese.

bchgirl 09-09-2010 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3265402)
Yes the Canadian Kennel Club does register them, I would have to ask C. if they allow them to show or not.
Thanks.


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