Question....
 

Does anyone know if Ch Hylan Acres Ridin' The Storm has been neutered yet?

Do we even know with any amount of certainy that the owner of the dam placed any of the pups from that litter on full registration?

We don't know how many other show breeders that didn't know or knew and took the gene recessive, who are still showing, breeding and reproducing hidden carriers that are running around in the gene pool.

One thing that is different is Parti breeders are up front and saying they plan to show the carriers. And if the dog meet the standard then it should be allowed to be shown.

Parti breeders did NOT put the gene in the dogs, they are just letting it express natural.

Barb,

Most everyone I know has the dogs they are planning to show dna'd, usually upon registering them. It's pretty well done on whether or not they are going to produce 1 litter or year or never use the dog for 7 litters or 3 times in one year. It's just something I do. I've even begun DNAing me females.

As far as I know he is still being used for breeding. One of his 9 month old daughters just got winners bitch for a 4 point major at the Houston yorkie specialty recently and she got reserve on another day.

I would never suggest neutering a yorkie just because a parti was produced out of a litter. I would not repeat the breeding though.

So...what you are saying in a round about way is...anything produced by Ridin the Storm can no longer be ethically shown or bred. DNA claims he is a carrier. What about his littermates?

Am I the one reaching now?

I was told that 4 of the 7 in that litter are being used for breeding.

I did not know that. If and when I ever introduce a new yorkie into my breeding program I will do that. I have not studded out any of my males in years, it is not worth the headache that can come with it.

Ethics is still ethics. you are knowingly showing a dog that has or carries a dq fault. The purpose of showing is to have breeding stock evaluated to the stand of the breed. Knowing the dogs can and will be used to produce color faults is, IMO, un-ethical breeding.

Ok so I just gotta ask just what is the difference when one continues to breed a known carrier and sell dogs for show who's offspring maybe possible carriers any different then parti breeder showing a carrier ??
LOL ...There is that old double standard we are so use to seeing.

No it isn't worth the heartace, since if anything goes wrong it's always the sire's fault. I've only allowed my sire to be used by one very good friend. In one litter 2 Champions were produced. And of course my mentor used him another time and and another Championed was produced.

Only 5 pups were AKC registered, The breeder kept 3 and 2 separate people have the other 2

Considering that you have just listed color (parti) as a severe fault and that it speaks volumes about a breeder that would knowingly show that same fault, what does it say about the numerous show breeders and handlers (well-known names) that routinely dye yorkie coats? I personally know this (dyeing) is done very often. Is not enhancing a coat just as deceptive, after all it is about the color, right? But yet, it is still accepted and not even frowned upon by many exhibitors. How is an enhanced coat a true representation of that yorkie? Is it not deceptive because so many do it and it's accepted with the club members even though not admittedly within a judge's hearing.

I am also wondering about the statement that the average parti puppy is selling for "inflated" prices....what is considered an inflated price? Yes, I do believe some parti breeders are selling their pups at high prices, just as do some of the exhibitor breeders and others that breed traditional colors. I won't give specifics bc it's really no ones business but my parti boy cost considerably less than my ch. sired traditional yorkie from a well-known exhibitor breeder. Btw....my parti boy also has a lovely silk coat!

Don't sit there and spout ethics to me when Ch Hylan Acres Ridin' The Storm a known parti carrier is still being used for breeding and his offspring are being shown.

It's ethical for show breeders to do it but not ok for parti breeders to take carriers in the ring ? PLEASE

Well, if you want to keep comparing yourself with the coat dying exhibitors... But, just remember, those lighter blue coats that some have dyed will NEVER produce a parti, a serious DQ fault, by the way. But they can and do produce darker coats. Again, showing is for evaluating breeding stock. There is no reputable breeder/exibitor that will knowingly breed to a parti or a parti carrier.