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kpstoybox 09-05-2010 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3261868)
Because Parti's and the other colors are not in our breed standard plain and simple and there are those that are promoting it as a designer dog and by unscrupulous breeders....now I've never said anyone on YT is uncrupulous but here you all are saying YTCA is the bad guy...maybe you guys need to start hitting those that are giving you guys a bad name by calling them designer dogs you think?
The only one calling them a designer dog is Carl Yochum and the YTCA!

Maybe we should forward him that pedigree just posted. Now that there is DNA proof that some dogs from his own club members have produced parti's...maybe it will get him to publically retract his slanderous statements concerning the parti and those that produce them.

kpstoybox 09-05-2010 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3261853)
I'm not reaching and I'm sure both breeders would have spayed and neutered if it were known a Parti was being produced....just like with any bad and undesired trait it would have been spayed and neutered and placed as a pet as that is what I would do in my breeding program and knowing Ann and knowing Betty Ann they would do the same...
I wonder how many more parti's were produced by these lines...and then just dissappeared?

The only reason we know of this litter is the owner of the dam wouldn't let them disappear.

bjh 09-05-2010 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3261783)
What those of you who insist that there was another breed accidently mixed in, fail to remember, is that the parti color was only showing up in the show lines.

Lines from very reputable exhibitor/breeders, those who only bred yorkies, those who did not risk accidental breedings, those who would not buy breeding stock from the byb.

They were in the Wildweir lines, the Nikko lines, the Durrer lines and many more. I doubt that any of those breeders would have risked an accidental breeding.
Over the years I have had dogs with those lines in them but I have never produced a parti. Some people think that years ago, because many of the show exhibitors were importing dogs, that is how the parti got started. It is really hard after all these years for one to sort out fact from fiction.

I have raised yorkies for 14 years and none of my dogs were ever dna'ed until AKC started the frequently used sire program. Since the AKC has started collecting dna on the frequently used sires I figure people are being much more careful. Even so, the breeders that only produce a couple of litters a year might never have to send in dna on any of their dogs, especially if they retire their male before he produces 7 litters and they don't use him more than three times in a year.

Brooklynn 09-05-2010 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3261889)
The only one calling them a designer dog is Carl Yochum and the YTCA!

Maybe we should forward him that pedigree just posted. Now that there is DNA proof that some dogs from his own club members have produced parti's...maybe it will get him to publically retract his slanderous statements concerning the parti and those that produce them.
If that is what you want to do I'm sure you can call or email. :)

Brooklynn 09-05-2010 12:18 PM
[QUOTE=kpstoybox;3261890]I wonder how many more parti's were produced by these lines...and then just dissappeared?

The only reason we know of this litter is the owner of the dam wouldn't let them disappear.[/QUOTE

Yup I guess that the dam owner is very happy to be producing Parti's, that was the goal to obtain CH lines....

I would have spayed and neutered and placed into a pet home to stop the undesirable trait of the Parti so yeah I guess it would disappear from me too...

yorkiekist 09-05-2010 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3261857)
Yes, I think this is the whole point it does happen, these are not just colored designer dogs that were produced by BYB as some like to state.
These dogs came out of showdogs.

To dislike the dog is one thing but for YTCA to state Yorkshire Terrier does have a gene that produces the Parti color is a lie and deceiving the public.
And you dont think you wont be decieving the public, the judges and the other reputable exhibitors when you parade your carriers around the ring?It speaks volumes that a breeder will show a dog KNOWING that it carries a severe fault in the breed standard.

yorkiekist 09-05-2010 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3261788)
What right do any of you have to sit here and degrade us as humans just because we have Parti colored dogs. I find it a shame that YT lets this go on over and over again. That you can sit on here and call all parti breeders BYB, not reputable, being in it just for money, speaking out of both sides of the mouth(what kind of comment is that?)
You can sure dish it out. Guess you can take it though. I dont think anyone called You personally a byber. And no where on here did anyone degrade you/parti breeders as a human being/beings.

Brooklynn 09-05-2010 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 3261895)
And you dont think you wont be decieving the public, the judges and the other reputable exhibitors when you parade your carriers around the ring?It speaks volumes that a breeder will show a dog KNOWING that it carries a severe fault in the breed standard.
And we are called cheaters....Hmmmm :)

Chkpups 09-05-2010 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3261485)
What are the lines in your friends dogs ?
Not sure but I am going to find out and will let you know.

yorkiekist 09-05-2010 12:28 PM
[quote=mardelin;3261790]"we" are you pregnant?[/quo

LOL!!!

kpstoybox 09-05-2010 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3261899)
And we are called cheaters....Hmmmm :)
Ok...since no one could answer the question truthfully with facts on how adding a variety class would effect the blue and tan standard...lets try an easier question.

Just how would showing a well bred, correctly colored blue and tan yorkie...that meets the standard in every way...be cheating?

Brooklynn 09-05-2010 12:32 PM
This will be my last post on this thread because I think the point has been made over and over again who stands behind the standard of the Yorkshire Terrier and who doesn't.
I hope newbies will read the entire thread and get something educational out of it. Either you want a standard yorkie for show or a parti yorkie as a pet and what is and is not accepted by the YTCA for showing and breeding purposes for an AKC conformation event. YTCA is here to protect the purebred Yorkshire Terrier and I and many others are here to uphold the code of ethics and conduct whether members of the YTCA or not.
Only you as a newbie can make your choice. Remember to research and research. Not only for color and the standard but health of being the #1 priority! Choose your breeder wisely!

Donna

bjh 09-05-2010 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3261890)
I wonder how many more parti's were produced by these lines...and then just dissappeared?

The only reason we know of this litter is the owner of the dam wouldn't let them disappear.
It is my understanding that the sire's owner asked that these pups be petted out. To me it is wrong and unethical for the breeder of these pups to sell them with full registration against the wishes of the sires owner. This is why it is necessary for anyone that studs out their dog to have a very strict contract to prevent things like this from happening.

As for the pedigree of these pups, there are many dogs on the sires side and the dams side that were never dna'ed so we will never know that might have been behind those dogs.

Brooklynn 09-05-2010 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kpstoybox (Post 3261906)
Ok...since no one could answer the question truthfully with facts on how adding a variety class would effect the blue and tan standard...lets try an easier question.

Just how would showing a well bred, correctly colored blue and tan yorkie...that meets the standard in every way...be cheating?
Ok last post now LOL...you knowingly taking in a Parti Carrier and going to breed for Parti's what would you call that? It goes against the code of conduct and ethics even if your not a member of the YTCA....it's called ethics in every way possible....

Donna

yorkiekist 09-05-2010 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Raymond's Mom (Post 3261796)
I wouldn't call you any of the above except that you have to be loving the inflated prices that you're getting for parti colors! But that too shall come to an end. All I would say is that in your futile attempt to legitimize parti color yorkies you're doing untold harm to the breed. And for that alone I have no respect for anyone involved in breeding parti colored yorkies. Whether this all started with a accidental breeding at the Streamglen Kennel in the UK many years ago or whether people have just cleverly mixed breeds to get the white patches on the sides, legs and head, we'll never know. Way too much time has passed for DNA or Mars testing to prove anything. But in the future all YTCA can do is damage control and hope to preserve the integrity of the breed.
:thumbup::yeahthat: Excellent post!!


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