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Mardelin · 02-17-2010, 10:12 AM

It is interesting that Ms. Newkirk used the word "speciesists". All words.come defines taht word as follows:
1. The discrimination against, and pxploitation of, animals by humans in the belief that humans are superior to all other species of animals and can therefore justifuy putting them to their own use.

One of the animal rights mantras is that all animals are created to be equal to all humans, and hould have the same rights as humans.

Just in case it still isn't clear to you what their agenda is, there are a few quotes from Ingrid Newkirk.

"one day, we would like to end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. (Dogs) would pursue their nautural lives in the wild....they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and sit there and watch TV."
---The Chicago Daily Herald, 3/1/90

"In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether." - - Newsday, 2/21/88

Who is Ingrid Newkirk, and why should we care what she has to say about anything? In the 1970s, Newkirk worked for the Mongomery County (Maryland), and then for the District of Columbia, as an animal protection officer and deputy sheriff, before becoming DC's first female Poundmaster in 1978. She co-founded PETA in 1980 with established animal-rights activist Alex Pacheco. (1) PjETA stands for People for the ETHICA Treatment of Animals, but in my opinion, there is nothing ethical in what they do.

Ms. Newkir has very close ties with several groups identified by the FBI as known terrorists groups, such as Animal Liveration Front (ALF). The animal rights groups are very well organized, and when you check closely, you will see many of the same names sitting on the boards of these radical groups. They are intertwined and closely linked through their finances, and the work that they do.

PETA operates on annual budget of $29,000,000. Most of this is from donations made by ordinary citizens that don't know the real work of PETA. Many people think that they are out to save the lives of animals after seein all of their ads on TV and in the newspapers. That is why millions are donated to them each year.

In Virginia, the home state of PETA, in 2004, PETA adopted out 361 animals, and euthanized 2,2u78, according to their records. (2) Those figures aren't good. That means they euthanized 86.3% of their animals and only adopted out 13.7%. These figures come directly from PETA's Annual Report and from their 2004 Tax Return. It doesn't seem like they used that $29 million for the betterment of the majority of the animals that they came in contact with. So where is the money going?. It is being spent for publicity to raise more money for one thing. It is also being used for Legislative purposes. They have placed key people in the city governments all over the country to try to influence legislation to take your pet ownership rights away. And they are having a lot of success with it.

You need to understand the basic difference between the "animal welfare" groups and "animal rights" groups. Although the names might sould like they have the same objectives, there is a big difference. Animal welfare groups are working to see that allo animals are treated humanely. Animal rights groups are working to see that all ownership of animals comes to an end.

Stryker · 02-17-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

This is an article and very lengthy. While the article is somewhat focused on HSUS it directly linked to PETA and to educate on the differance between Animal Rights and Animal Welfare:

Do you know the Real PETA and Humane Society
An Editorial by Alice Fix

You will not often see negative articles in our newsletter, but every now and again we are forced to make a stand, and to speak out about what we know is for the better good for all involved. This one such instance. We can no longer stand back and watch to see what will happen. I think that it is past time to publicly expose the real agenda of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) and their cohorts in crime, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), and the animal rights agenda.

This article is long so it'll be posted in several posts.

For many years we have all enjoyed the companionship of our dogs and other animals. We have been busy playing with them, taking care of them, finding fun things that we could do with them, and gerally just having a great time with all the animals that live in our houses. While we have been enjoying the love and fun that our animals provide to us, there have been groups out there organizing on a grand scale trying to get our rights to own those animals taken away. Yes, that is excactly what I meant. Make no mistake about it. These people have organized on a large scale to infiltrate many major city councils and governments in the country to spread their propaganda. Their agenda is easily defined and simple. Their main objective is to take away your right to own animals. They do not want you to have the companionship of any animal. They do not want you to have the companionship of any animal, whether that is a dog, cat, horse, mouse, frog, fish or any other animal that you can think of. They are pooling their resources to get this accomplished, and have millions of dollars in there war chest for this effort.

This is a statement made by Ingrid Newkirk, the President of PETA: "I don't use the word 'pet.' I think it's sopecieist language. I prefer 'companion animal.' For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees ffrom the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (rtificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would turn to a more symbiotic relationship - enjoyment at a distance. ' TYhe Harper's Forum Book. Jack Hitt, ed., 1989, p.223.

Very Informative and makes the issue very clear. We all have our opinions about issues that effect our lives. We are all very passionate in our beliefs. Clearly this thread has struck a nerve with some. I just know that if I am supporting a cause and I find their practices to have harmed anyone (be it an animal or person) that is where my support would end. That is my opinion. Peta's action have been associated with causing harm to animals and their agenda is to take my right of pet ownership away. For whatever good the organization may have done in the past the fact that harm has come to an animal in their name negates that issue. That's where support for them would end.....period.

Mardelin · 02-17-2010, 10:25 AM

As I said, PETA has close ties with many other organizations. One of those orginzations is the Humane Society of the Unitited States (HSUS). People donate millions to the HSUS each year, thinking that their money is going to save the lives of millions of animals. Nothing could be further from the truth. The HSUS does not own a single animal shelter anywhere in the country. Although, many shelters have the words Humane Society in their names, they are not associated in any way with the HSUS. The HSUS does not sponsor any spay or nueter clinic anywhere in the country. They do donate a very small percent of the annual budget to a few local humane societies, around $2 million annually, which just happens to be less than the amount that they spend in travel ewach year. Their major money is sent on fund raising and legislative activity. In 2005 they spent $28 million in for public mailings, $6 million in vegan educatio, $10 million in legislative campaigns and litigation. Their income for that year was close to $125 million.

The HSUS was founded in 1954 as an animal welfare organization. But in the early 1980's, just about the same time as PETA was founded, they began to change to an animal rights organization. In the 19990's the personnel began to change to better fit with their new purpose, and today many of the personnel at HSUS have ties to PETA, including the current President, Wayne Pacelle.

This is an interested quote from Wayne Pacelle: "we have no ehtical obligation to perserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding.....One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." - Animal People News (May 1, 1993) (3) When you combine other statements that he has made, with the above statement, in my opinion the meaning of this statement is that if we could spay and nueter all animals, we could eliminate pet ownership within one geration. "one generation and out" would mean to me that they are gone and are eliminated in only one generation.

Quietly sitting back and maybe not being aware, we are now allowing the HSUS to make presentations at our local schools, with the definaite purpose to educate our children about how bad pet ownership is, to indoctrinate children to the thought tat animals should be free and not kept as pets. They are doing this in the same way they have infiltrated city councils and local governments all across the country, quietly and matter-of-factly.

"Shortly after taking office, Pacelle announced a merger with the Fund For Animals which have assets of over $20 million, and the Doris Day Animal League. The combined group estimated its 2005 budget at "over $95 million" and also announced the formation of a new "political organization," which will "allow for more substantial investment of resources in political and lobbying activities."

smartpuppiepets · 02-17-2010, 10:28 AM

I watched the special documentary about the PETA and the history of the founder of this group. It is nice to see these things being discussed here on the open. I also do not agree with their cause or with their way of doing things. I personally know a very wealthy EX- supporter that withdrew all of his financial and moral support after watching the same documentary.
It shows how did everything started, their motives and the strategies they use to advertise their cause.
If all the money they raise was going to the welfare of animals would be one thing, but like MARDELIN explained, they have their 'own cause to defend".
For the ones who support PETA , i suggest you do a bit of research on the personal life of the woman who started it all. Pay close attention to her personal choices when it comes to "having kids" and pet ownership. She makes her choices very clear her self.
I am worried to post here my impressions after watching the interviews and the way she responded to the questions asked. And it was definitely bad "propaganda" to their organization since it did show their "raw" side.
I can safely post it here that some people need psychological help! And that may be very case of some starting organizations that claim to be good to society, but actually only reflects the disorder withing their own emotions towards other humans and other live creatures who share affection with the humans.
I may have crossed the line with my statement here. I hope not. But if you never read or know anything about the foundation on this group... well... read and research about it ! YOU MAY BE UP TO A SURPRISE !

Wylie's Mom · 02-17-2010, 10:50 AM

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I would never give a cent of my hard-earned money to any terrorist organization.

Wow, just wow.

You're entire post was one of the most shocking I've ever read here at YT...but this sentence really blows my mind.

To another poster, no one here has to tell me that I "need" to understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare. Who are you to OWN the definition? I'm seriously asking that question, at this point? I mean really, I'm respectfully asking...? Animal Rights is not a dirty phrase, thank you! It is not shameful.

I am deeply saddened by what I've seen in this thread. And yes, it's personal. I ask to be treated respectfully, as a member of PETA. I have never disrespected your memberships in organizations, please do the same for those members here at YT who choose to be members of PETA.

Mardelin · 02-17-2010, 10:50 AM

So that is where we find ourselves today. With the HSUS and PETA combined annual budges of over $124 million for political and lobbying efforts to take away our rights to own animals. And that figure does not include the many splinter organizations that have been formed from these two major organizations. We are in an uphil battle now, and it will be the fight for our lives to keep our rights to own pets.

There are going at it from many different angles. One way is to bet Breed Specific Legislation (BSL passed. The banning of Pit-Bulls all over the country is a good example. That has caught on like wildfire. The animal rights groups have said if they can just get one breed banned, then it will be easy to add others to it at a later date, until eventually all breeds are banned. Another way that they are going about it is to have mandatory spay and neuter laws in place. Just think about it, if all domestic animals are spayed and neutered, when they die, there will be no more comestic animals. Those same words have been said by Wayne Pacelle, the President of the HSUS. They have a very well thought out and planned agenda, and they are counting on the ignorance of the American people to get their agenda accomplished. Well gues what: Ignorance can be overcome by education. The American people may be ignorant about the facts, but they are not stupid. They can be educated. We were ignorant before 9-11, and look what effect that had. It caused all Americans to become educated and unite and fight to prevent that from happening again. The difference here is that we are being attacked from within our own country. We are under strong attack by the animal rights groups, and I hope that we don't just stand by and allow it to happen.

The animal rights groups are publicly stating that we need to get laws passed so that they can close down all the puppy mills and commercial breeding facilities that have their animals living in inhumane conditions. Just about weveryone would agree with the idea that animals should be treated humanely. But that is just the vehicle that they are using to try do do away with all animal ownership, period. And that is not a statement that they are being all that public about.

You can become active in this fight by telling your friends and neighbors what is going on. You can be an instrument of education. You can also fight this kind of legislation when it is presented in your area. Go to the City Council meetins and make your voice hears. Write letters to the state and federal government officials to offer your services to be on any animal related committee. In short get the word out to any and all your friends that own pets. Let them know what is going on. If enough people stop funding the animal rights organizations, we can put them out of business. There is not much that they can do without operating funds

Wylie's Mom · 02-17-2010, 10:55 AM

OMG, Mary

!

Let's see...I'm a PETA member who just rescued, fostered, and am now doing the PETWALK for a PITBULL.

How would you like to label me?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/off...-guidance.html

simonandhallie · 02-17-2010, 10:59 AM

WOW! I just read 2 posts making reference to PETA members and terrorism.......REALLY? I've been called a hypocrite and now a terrorist?

And please stop plastering the same old articles over and over again and telling me to do the research like I'm some idiot that doesn't research my causes. I've never been quiet about my beliefs in PETA and I refuse to be now but to assume that I don't know what the organization is about is just ridiculous. I don't agree with everything they do, but I agree with quite a bit of it and I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm also trying to be respectful to those you that do not.

I'm always so sad when these threads become repetitive of all the hundreds of other PETA threads. I'm especially saddened by the judgmental and hateful nature of this one.

With that said I'm going to renew my PETA membership and I feel good about it.

Mardelin · 02-17-2010, 11:02 AM

The next time you think about making a donation to any of these organizations, you had better think long and hard aout whether you really want your money being spent to take away your rights.

PETA
HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES
FARM SANCTUARY
FUND FOR ANIMALS
DORIS DAY ANIMAL LEAGUE
EARTH SAVE
GREEN PEACE
PHYSICIANS FOR RESPNSIBLE MEDICINE
ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT
FRIENDS OF ANIMALS
IN DEFENSIVE OF ANIMALs

Right now the HSUS has started their "FIRST STrike Campaign". I find taht an iteresting chocie of names. At visualthesaurus.com they define first strike as follows:
First strike: An attack that is intended to seize or inflict damange on or destroy an objective.

Most people think that attack is on inhumane treatment of animals. They still don't know it is an attack to take your animas away from you. Last year over 10 million people donated money to the HSUS because of their massive spending on advertising. Most of those 10 million people had no idea what their money was actually goint to support.

Better places to donate your money that will fight for your rights to own animals are listed below. These groups are working hard to protecty your right to own animals, and to expose the true agenda to much of the animal legislation going on all over the country.

NATIONAL ANIMAL INTEREST ALLIANCE
NAIA | National Animal Interest Alliance
SPORTSMEN"S AND ANIMAL OWNERS' VOTING ALLIANCE
SAOVA Working to identify and elect supportive legislators
AMERICAN DOG OWNERS ASSOCIATION
http://www.adoa.org/index.cfm

You can either make your donations work for you or against you. That decision is yours to make

Footnotes for REference:
http://ww.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/456
www.nokillnow.comPETADVACreporting.pdf
http://www.animalsscam.com/quotes.cfm
http://ww.activistcash.com/organization overview.cfm/oid/136

Now let me add we live in the US and have the right to think for ourselves and chose our beliefs........Many of us don't agree with each other on various subjects, we should agree in each other's right to chose those beliefs.

Mardelin · 02-17-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

OMG, Mary

!

Let's see...I'm a PETA member who just rescued, fostered, and am now doing the PETWALK for a PITBULL.

How would you like to label me?

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/off...-guidance.html

You are a breed onto yourself.....read my final post on PETA......

I just know that I'm pretty involved with pet legislation and the dog world......and you know what a researcher I am and don't back anything unless I study all the ins and outs.

Stryker · 02-17-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Wow, just wow.

You're entire post was one of the most shocking I've ever read here at YT...but this sentence really blows my mind.

To another poster, no one here has to tell me that I "need" to understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare. Who are you to OWN the definition? I'm seriously asking that question, at this point? I mean really, I'm respectfully asking...? Animal Rights is not a dirty phrase, thank you! It is not shameful.

I am deeply saddened by what I've seen in this thread. And yes, it's personal. I ask to be treated respectfully, as a member of PETA. I have never disrespected your memberships in organizations, please do the same for those members here at YT who choose to be members of PETA.

Why would someone's honest opinion of an organization offend you. Her post expressed her opinion about donating to an organization that she views as having committed acts that can legitimately be characterized as terroristic. Where has anyone on this thread disrespected you? Posting articles and information on the activities of PETA is a way of presenting facts to those who read these posts. You (like everyone else) has the opportunity to post opposing views and supporting articles in an effort to support your opinion if like. If you have articles that support your views and contradict the information provided on this thread then PLEASE post it. I would love to see the argument for your position.

Debate is not meant to offend but to inform. I base my views by the information that I receive. I look at both sides and then form an opinion. I have yet to see a logical or ethical reason to support PETA and those that act on their behalf. I have not seen one post that lists any positive actions that this group has done. If there are.....list them and we can debate those.

Respectfully, Pam

Mardelin · 02-17-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Very Informative and makes the issue very clear. We all have our opinions about issues that effect our lives. We are all very passionate in our beliefs. Clearly this thread has struck a nerve with some. I just know that if I am supporting a cause and I find their practices to have harmed anyone (be it an animal or person) that is where my support would end. That is my opinion. Peta's action have been associated with causing harm to animals and their agenda is to take my right of pet ownership away. For whatever good the organization may have done in the past the fact that harm has come to an animal in their name negates that issue. That's where support for them would end.....period.

I just watched a documentary on Ingrid the other night. Her views (in my opinion) are a bit distorted. What I walked away with after viewing the documentary is they, PETA are allowing ALF to perform all these radical acts. While not actively participating, they do 100% support these acts as well as provide them funding.

Stryker · 02-17-2010, 11:27 AM

Why is it that when faced with the facts with articles about Peta , the arguement changed from a discussion about their practices to a forum where you are being disrespected?

Before I would support any group or organization, I would be fully informed and educated on their pratices and ready to provide documentation to support my position. If you have such information I would gladly read it and then form an opinion based on it. Debate is debate, provide facts.........no whining allowed.

jencar98 · 02-17-2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

I just watched a documentary on Ingrid the other night. Her views (in my opinion) are a bit distorted. What I walked away with after viewing the documentary is they, PETA are allowing ALF to perform all these radical acts. While not actively participating, they do 100% support these acts as well as provide them funding.

I would like to watch this documentary you and another poster referred to. Do you remember what station you were watching, Mary? I've been curious about Ingrid and just *what* makes her who she is. One article I read talked about her working for a shelter and going in early in the morning so that she could euthanize the animals instead of the other "uncaring" shelter workers. I would like to read/watch some unbiased information about her.

Mardelin · 02-17-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jencar98

I would like to watch this documentary you and another poster referred to. Do you remember what station you were watching, Mary? I've been curious about Ingrid and just *what* makes her who she is. One article I read talked about her working for a shelter and going in early in the morning so that she could euthanize the animals instead of the other "uncaring" shelter workers. I would like to read/watch some unbiased information about her.

My Gosh it was some late night program....doing a little remote control flipping....and it caught my attention.

OK! Did a google search; it was on HBO and originally aired in 2007. Don't know if they plan to air it again soon.

02-17-2010, 10:12 AM	#31
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	PETA (post #2) It is interesting that Ms. Newkirk used the word "speciesists". All words.come defines taht word as follows: 1. The discrimination against, and pxploitation of, animals by humans in the belief that humans are superior to all other species of animals and can therefore justifuy putting them to their own use. One of the animal rights mantras is that all animals are created to be equal to all humans, and hould have the same rights as humans. Just in case it still isn't clear to you what their agenda is, there are a few quotes from Ingrid Newkirk. "one day, we would like to end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. (Dogs) would pursue their nautural lives in the wild....they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and sit there and watch TV." ---The Chicago Daily Herald, 3/1/90 "In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether." - - Newsday, 2/21/88 Who is Ingrid Newkirk, and why should we care what she has to say about anything? In the 1970s, Newkirk worked for the Mongomery County (Maryland), and then for the District of Columbia, as an animal protection officer and deputy sheriff, before becoming DC's first female Poundmaster in 1978. She co-founded PETA in 1980 with established animal-rights activist Alex Pacheco. (1) PjETA stands for People for the ETHICA Treatment of Animals, but in my opinion, there is nothing ethical in what they do. Ms. Newkir has very close ties with several groups identified by the FBI as known terrorists groups, such as Animal Liveration Front (ALF). The animal rights groups are very well organized, and when you check closely, you will see many of the same names sitting on the boards of these radical groups. They are intertwined and closely linked through their finances, and the work that they do. PETA operates on annual budget of $29,000,000. Most of this is from donations made by ordinary citizens that don't know the real work of PETA. Many people think that they are out to save the lives of animals after seein all of their ads on TV and in the newspapers. That is why millions are donated to them each year. In Virginia, the home state of PETA, in 2004, PETA adopted out 361 animals, and euthanized 2,2u78, according to their records. (2) Those figures aren't good. That means they euthanized 86.3% of their animals and only adopted out 13.7%. These figures come directly from PETA's Annual Report and from their 2004 Tax Return. It doesn't seem like they used that $29 million for the betterment of the majority of the animals that they came in contact with. So where is the money going?. It is being spent for publicity to raise more money for one thing. It is also being used for Legislative purposes. They have placed key people in the city governments all over the country to try to influence legislation to take your pet ownership rights away. And they are having a lot of success with it. You need to understand the basic difference between the "animal welfare" groups and "animal rights" groups. Although the names might sould like they have the same objectives, there is a big difference. Animal welfare groups are working to see that allo animals are treated humanely. Animal rights groups are working to see that all ownership of animals comes to an end. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

02-17-2010, 10:25 AM	#33
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	PETA (post # 3) As I said, PETA has close ties with many other organizations. One of those orginzations is the Humane Society of the Unitited States (HSUS). People donate millions to the HSUS each year, thinking that their money is going to save the lives of millions of animals. Nothing could be further from the truth. The HSUS does not own a single animal shelter anywhere in the country. Although, many shelters have the words Humane Society in their names, they are not associated in any way with the HSUS. The HSUS does not sponsor any spay or nueter clinic anywhere in the country. They do donate a very small percent of the annual budget to a few local humane societies, around $2 million annually, which just happens to be less than the amount that they spend in travel ewach year. Their major money is sent on fund raising and legislative activity. In 2005 they spent $28 million in for public mailings, $6 million in vegan educatio, $10 million in legislative campaigns and litigation. Their income for that year was close to $125 million. The HSUS was founded in 1954 as an animal welfare organization. But in the early 1980's, just about the same time as PETA was founded, they began to change to an animal rights organization. In the 19990's the personnel began to change to better fit with their new purpose, and today many of the personnel at HSUS have ties to PETA, including the current President, Wayne Pacelle. This is an interested quote from Wayne Pacelle: "we have no ehtical obligation to perserve the different breeds of livestock produced through selective breeding.....One generation and out. We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." - Animal People News (May 1, 1993) (3) When you combine other statements that he has made, with the above statement, in my opinion the meaning of this statement is that if we could spay and nueter all animals, we could eliminate pet ownership within one geration. "one generation and out" would mean to me that they are gone and are eliminated in only one generation. Quietly sitting back and maybe not being aware, we are now allowing the HSUS to make presentations at our local schools, with the definaite purpose to educate our children about how bad pet ownership is, to indoctrinate children to the thought tat animals should be free and not kept as pets. They are doing this in the same way they have infiltrated city councils and local governments all across the country, quietly and matter-of-factly. "Shortly after taking office, Pacelle announced a merger with the Fund For Animals which have assets of over $20 million, and the Doris Day Animal League. The combined group estimated its 2005 budget at "over $95 million" and also announced the formation of a new "political organization," which will "allow for more substantial investment of resources in political and lobbying activities." __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

02-17-2010, 10:28 AM	#34
smartpuppiepets YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Beverly Posts: 1,042	I watched the special documentary about the PETA and the history of the founder of this group. It is nice to see these things being discussed here on the open. I also do not agree with their cause or with their way of doing things. I personally know a very wealthy EX- supporter that withdrew all of his financial and moral support after watching the same documentary. It shows how did everything started, their motives and the strategies they use to advertise their cause. If all the money they raise was going to the welfare of animals would be one thing, but like MARDELIN explained, they have their 'own cause to defend". For the ones who support PETA , i suggest you do a bit of research on the personal life of the woman who started it all. Pay close attention to her personal choices when it comes to "having kids" and pet ownership. She makes her choices very clear her self. I am worried to post here my impressions after watching the interviews and the way she responded to the questions asked. And it was definitely bad "propaganda" to their organization since it did show their "raw" side. I can safely post it here that some people need psychological help! And that may be very case of some starting organizations that claim to be good to society, but actually only reflects the disorder withing their own emotions towards other humans and other live creatures who share affection with the humans. I may have crossed the line with my statement here. I hope not. But if you never read or know anything about the foundation on this group... well... read and research about it ! YOU MAY BE UP TO A SURPRISE ! __________________ "The reason a dog has many friends is because it wags it's tail instead of it's tong " [I]Smartpuppiepets@yahoo.com /I][

02-17-2010, 10:50 AM	#36
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	PETA (post #4) So that is where we find ourselves today. With the HSUS and PETA combined annual budges of over $124 million for political and lobbying efforts to take away our rights to own animals. And that figure does not include the many splinter organizations that have been formed from these two major organizations. We are in an uphil battle now, and it will be the fight for our lives to keep our rights to own pets. There are going at it from many different angles. One way is to bet Breed Specific Legislation (BSL passed. The banning of Pit-Bulls all over the country is a good example. That has caught on like wildfire. The animal rights groups have said if they can just get one breed banned, then it will be easy to add others to it at a later date, until eventually all breeds are banned. Another way that they are going about it is to have mandatory spay and neuter laws in place. Just think about it, if all domestic animals are spayed and neutered, when they die, there will be no more comestic animals. Those same words have been said by Wayne Pacelle, the President of the HSUS. They have a very well thought out and planned agenda, and they are counting on the ignorance of the American people to get their agenda accomplished. Well gues what: Ignorance can be overcome by education. The American people may be ignorant about the facts, but they are not stupid. They can be educated. We were ignorant before 9-11, and look what effect that had. It caused all Americans to become educated and unite and fight to prevent that from happening again. The difference here is that we are being attacked from within our own country. We are under strong attack by the animal rights groups, and I hope that we don't just stand by and allow it to happen. The animal rights groups are publicly stating that we need to get laws passed so that they can close down all the puppy mills and commercial breeding facilities that have their animals living in inhumane conditions. Just about weveryone would agree with the idea that animals should be treated humanely. But that is just the vehicle that they are using to try do do away with all animal ownership, period. And that is not a statement that they are being all that public about. You can become active in this fight by telling your friends and neighbors what is going on. You can be an instrument of education. You can also fight this kind of legislation when it is presented in your area. Go to the City Council meetins and make your voice hears. Write letters to the state and federal government officials to offer your services to be on any animal related committee. In short get the word out to any and all your friends that own pets. Let them know what is going on. If enough people stop funding the animal rights organizations, we can put them out of business. There is not much that they can do without operating funds __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

02-17-2010, 10:55 AM	#37
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	OMG, Mary ! Let's see...I'm a PETA member who just rescued, fostered, and am now doing the PETWALK for a PITBULL. How would you like to label me? http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/off...-guidance.html __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨°

02-17-2010, 10:59 AM	#38
simonandhallie *I Love My Monkeys!* Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Falling Waters, WV Posts: 11,166	WOW! I just read 2 posts making reference to PETA members and terrorism.......REALLY? I've been called a hypocrite and now a terrorist? And please stop plastering the same old articles over and over again and telling me to do the research like I'm some idiot that doesn't research my causes. I've never been quiet about my beliefs in PETA and I refuse to be now but to assume that I don't know what the organization is about is just ridiculous. I don't agree with everything they do, but I agree with quite a bit of it and I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm also trying to be respectful to those you that do not. I'm always so sad when these threads become repetitive of all the hundreds of other PETA threads. I'm especially saddened by the judgmental and hateful nature of this one. With that said I'm going to renew my PETA membership and I feel good about it.

02-17-2010, 11:02 AM	#39
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	PETA (post #5) The next time you think about making a donation to any of these organizations, you had better think long and hard aout whether you really want your money being spent to take away your rights. PETA HUMANE SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES FARM SANCTUARY FUND FOR ANIMALS DORIS DAY ANIMAL LEAGUE EARTH SAVE GREEN PEACE PHYSICIANS FOR RESPNSIBLE MEDICINE ANIMAL LIBERATION FRONT FRIENDS OF ANIMALS IN DEFENSIVE OF ANIMALs Right now the HSUS has started their "FIRST STrike Campaign". I find taht an iteresting chocie of names. At visualthesaurus.com they define first strike as follows: First strike: An attack that is intended to seize or inflict damange on or destroy an objective. Most people think that attack is on inhumane treatment of animals. They still don't know it is an attack to take your animas away from you. Last year over 10 million people donated money to the HSUS because of their massive spending on advertising. Most of those 10 million people had no idea what their money was actually goint to support. Better places to donate your money that will fight for your rights to own animals are listed below. These groups are working hard to protecty your right to own animals, and to expose the true agenda to much of the animal legislation going on all over the country. NATIONAL ANIMAL INTEREST ALLIANCE NAIA \| National Animal Interest Alliance SPORTSMEN"S AND ANIMAL OWNERS' VOTING ALLIANCE SAOVA Working to identify and elect supportive legislators AMERICAN DOG OWNERS ASSOCIATION http://www.adoa.org/index.cfm You can either make your donations work for you or against you. That decision is yours to make Footnotes for REference: http://ww.activistcash.com/biography.cfm/bid/456 www.nokillnow.comPETADVACreporting.pdf http://www.animalsscam.com/quotes.cfm http://ww.activistcash.com/organization overview.cfm/oid/136 Now let me add we live in the US and have the right to think for ourselves and chose our beliefs........Many of us don't agree with each other on various subjects, we should agree in each other's right to chose those beliefs. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

02-17-2010, 11:27 AM	#43
Stryker Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Katy Tx Posts: 67	Why is it that when faced with the facts with articles about Peta , the arguement changed from a discussion about their practices to a forum where you are being disrespected? Before I would support any group or organization, I would be fully informed and educated on their pratices and ready to provide documentation to support my position. If you have such information I would gladly read it and then form an opinion based on it. Debate is debate, provide facts.........no whining allowed.