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06-27-2007, 03:19 PM | #1 |
Gizzy & Kandi spoil me Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waco, Texas
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| Vaccination confusion/question I am confused...maybe someone can help me out here. Gizmo was born on March 9th. From the breeder's records he had the following vaccinations (dappc - distemper, adenovirus 2, parainfluenza, parvovirus, coronavirus) before I got him... 6 weeks: 4/20/07 9 weeks: 5/11/07 I took him for his well-puppy check on 5/29, but no shots were given (he was placed on earmite medication/ drops) He went in for more shots by our vet on: 6/19 (no rabies yet) Here's the confusing part....the vet tech told us that the breeder gave the first set of shots too early and they aren't even going to count it! What's up with that? So they have scheduled him for his final dappc on 7/19 AND his rabies. That seems like a lot for one visit! And doesn't it seem like over-vaccinating to give four rounds of the shots? I read the other post and heard mention here that Parvo is bad this year. Could that be why? Any insights would be appreciated.
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06-27-2007, 03:23 PM | #2 |
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| My Vet wouldnt count the breeder shots either. Mine had 4 rounds of shots from the vet and 1 round from the breeder.
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06-27-2007, 03:23 PM | #3 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | the distemper combo vaccine for puppies is given in a series of 4. So its not that they don't count. They do count, but they are needed in a series to build up immunity. The rabies vaccine should be given by 6 months old. I had morgan get her's when she was spayed at 6 months. It shouldn't really be given with the distemper vaccines since yorkies are so small. They can get an upset tummy from too many vaccines in one visit.
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06-27-2007, 03:26 PM | #4 | |
Gizzy & Kandi spoil me Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waco, Texas
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That makes me feel better about the distemper, thanks! The vet didn't imply anything was wrong, I guess I shouldn't listen to the tech so much! So how long to wait between the last distemper vaccines and the rabies? A week, a month?
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06-27-2007, 03:43 PM | #5 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | a week is good. Bigger dogs can get up to 4 vaccines in one visit with no problem but these guys just can't handle it sometimes.
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06-27-2007, 03:56 PM | #6 |
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| judy, a couple of my pups have been given a fourth shot by the new vet who said that the one I gave them at six weeks was only considered a temporary one. I know some of the latest info out there says to wait until eight weeks to give the first puppy shot. sorry, with all the parvo and stuff so prevelant, i am not waiting. i just read the thread above yours and got up off my butt and gave my six weeks old babies their first puppy shot. many years ago, my husband lost an entire litter of beagle puppies to parvo. it is devastating. |
06-27-2007, 04:30 PM | #7 | |
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dateline June 2006 VACCINATION NEWSFLASH June 2006 re: J Dodd's vaccine protocol - I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical & economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well-being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY: Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no effect. The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions and immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mother’s milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies & kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, DELAY the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart SUPPRESS rather than stimulate the Immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year and 4 months will provide lifetime immunity. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sit in on December 1988 roundtable discussion regarding the safety and efficacy of vaccines through quotes and excerpts provided. The worlds foremost authorities, including Dr. Jonas Salk knew the risks and the benefits over 20 years ago. Vaccines have improved but today's new protocol would still not be mainstream were it not for the hard work and dedication of people like Dr. Dodds, Kris Christine, and this editor. Go to Project: Vaccines and learn how to truly protect your pets, including the June 2006 Rabies Vaccine Recall. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pet Vaccine Lawsuit It's official -- the law firm of the Chicago lawfirm of Childress Duffy Goldblatt, Ltd. petvaccine@childresslaw.net 312-494-0200 -- attorneys Roy R. Brandys and John Sawin-- has posted an announcement on their website about the NATIONAL pet vaccine class action lawsuit that their firm is undertaking at http://www.childresslaw.net/CM/Custom/Custom52.asp "arising from the misrepresentation of the need for vaccinations for your pets." Anyone wishing to have a copy of either the 1992 French challenge study data from a research team led by Michel Aubert in which dogs were demonstrated to be immune to a rabies challenge 5 years after vaccination, or Vascellari's study which documented cancerous tumors in dogs at presumed injection sites of rabies vaccine, please e-mail me. Kris Christine LedgeSpring@lincoln.midcoast.com
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06-27-2007, 04:36 PM | #8 | |
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excellent!
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06-27-2007, 05:51 PM | #9 |
Gizzy & Kandi spoil me Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waco, Texas
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| Wow, it looks like there is still quite a bit of debate about this. I am so glad that I have this forum to learn from. Basically, Gizmo was caught between these two views. I will keep him at home, away from other animals (inside) and keep him as healthy as I can. That's not a problem, he's a really tough little guy and doing VERY well. (I think he put on another pound this week.) I will wait four weeks for the next distemper combo shot and schedule the rabies for a week after that. Next time I get a puppy or hear of someone getting a puppy I will warn them to research the current views on shots. Parvo is a frightening disease.
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06-27-2007, 07:08 PM | #10 | |
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Judy, My mentors have been breeding and exhibiting dogs since I was a young girl. They adhere to the practice above with colaboration of their vets. Their breeding practices are very stringent and keep mothers and pups pretty isolated until pups are 8 weeks old, not allowing pups outdoors until about 10 weeks of age. Before the whelping date the room and the area where they will be kept is disinfected. Mothers are bathed in medicated shampoos on their first due date. Before breeding they make sure they are up to date on all their vaccinations. If I've been to a dog show, I remove all my clothes in the garage and jump in the shower before I even go near the whelping area and touch the pups. I usually don't do rabies until 7 months of age.
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06-27-2007, 07:15 PM | #11 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | This is an excellent thread. I sure wish the paradigm shift would go ahead and happen, bc in the meantime, our babies are being injected unnecessarily.
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06-28-2007, 10:24 AM | #12 |
My Lil Man! Donating Member | I think if you only want 3 rounds of shots then you can get just 3 but now days it seems like the majority of vets want to go ahead with a 4th round just in case one round was bad or whatever. It doesnt hurt them to have a 4th round. It will either do nothing or help them. I had 4 rounds done with Reeses when I got him. Oh and the rabies deal...I had a strange dealing with the rabies shot. I had just taken him to the vet about a week earlier and got a puppy shot but no rabies, I live in Auburn to go to school but have always been able to get home to take him to my well-known and liked family vet but the next time he was due I couldnt so I took him to a good local vet here. They dogged my family vet saying he should have already given Reeses his rabies shot, that by Alabama Law they have to have it by 9 weeks oldest. My vet said that wasnt true, he was just wanting money..that they usually do it at 12 weeks. How crazy! |
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