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Old 08-17-2004, 05:42 AM   #1
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Exclamation WARNING DON'T use Hartz Flea and Ticks drops!!!

I found a flea on my cat and I bought Hartz Flea and Tick Drops Plus. I also bought some for my dogs just in case they caught the fleas as well. I applied it to my cat but not to the dogs beacause I wanted to bathe them first. I noticed my cat looked weak and had diarrhea. I decided to check online to see if anyone had any problems with this product and there is a site that has posts from people use used hartz flea products and have had their pets die or permentantly damaged. This has been going on since 2002 and the products are still in stores. Please inform anyone you know not to use any Hartz products. They have kept thiese dangerous products on store shelves knowing it is poisen to animals. Here is the website : http://www.hartzvictims.org/ Look at the stories archive to read about the horrible expieriences. I gave my cat a bath to wash off the product he seems better now. It was very difficult to remove since it had an oily consistency. I am just glad I found the website before it was too late for him. I hope this helps save some pets. Please pass this on.

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Old 08-17-2004, 05:52 AM   #2
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I have read some bad info on Hertz (spelling?) and this is what I used to apply to Gypsy Rose BUT she is now on Frontline. I am replying to this before I go to the link you gave - does this also apply to dogs as well as cats? I remember that it was greasy - Frontline isn't although my girl hates it just as much! Ana xxx
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I was using frontline but the past couple of months I switched to Hartz. It does not work very well because I cut the dose in half, they are four pound dogs. I am not going to use it anymore and will tell my parents to do the same and why.
Spread the word, this is scarey!
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I spoke to frontline just now and their main ingredients are as follows:
fipronil
s-methoprene

She says that their product does not go past the oil glands. Whatever that means. I asked if there were reports such as the ones with Hartz and she would just repeat the same information. Guess she cannot say. I am rethinking the whole topical prevention all together.

Oh, damn. Now I get it. That must be why the instructions say to apply behind the neck, where they can't reach and digest the poison on their own body.
BUT what if you have more than one dog like me. The wrestle and bite the back of each other's neck all the time. THat is really scarey now that I think about it.
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Ana ... welcome back, I trust your holiday was fun!? That's really scarry about the flea products! The only thing we have ever used for Toto was what our vet told us to use, Advantage. We could only use 1/2 vial until she was over 3 lbs in weight. She also told us to NEVER use anything on her that wasn't given by a vet [whether it was her or another vet!]. We found Toto had gotten some fleas one morning about 4 AM while we were preparing to return to Lake Charles. There was nothing we could do at that hour so we left for Lake Charles ... Patrick and I feeling like something was crawling on us! I called Dr. Lucy before we got to Lake Charles to ask what kind of "flea" shampoo she recommended as a "quick fix" as soon as we got there. Her answer? None! She doesn't like any flea shampoo to be used on these little babies! I am certainly glad that I checked with her and followed her instructions! She told me as soon as I got her home to bathe her like I normally do, being careful to kill the ones I could find on her and any that came off in the water, dry her thoroughly and apply the Advantage. I did and like magic ... no more fleas!
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I'm sorry to write an angry title. But that is how I Feel right now. I bought Hartz ear mite drops for my Yorkie ( Cookie) I've used it on him 2 days and was about to throw it out after reading all this information! But what I actually want is a freaking refund! My absolute worst nightmare has been that I wake up one day and this little baby was dead in his bed. I guess since he is so small I worried too much the first days I got him. I will check the main ingredient in the hartz mite drops to see if the main ingredient ( Poison) is Phenothrin . That was used for many years as lawn pesticide. IT was banned a long time ago due to it's high toxicity. Phenothrin is 85% total ingredient in Hartz Advanced Care plus .

I've mainly heard stories of cats but I read a few about Yorkies and Chihuahua's . So I guess its worse for small breeds.
Thank you sooooo much for posting about this!
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I have read some bad info on Hertz (spelling?) and this is what I used to apply to Gypsy Rose BUT she is now on Frontline. I am replying to this before I go to the link you gave - does this also apply to dogs as well as cats? I remember that it was greasy - Frontline isn't although my girl hates it just as much! Ana xxx
Mostly cats seem to have been affected by this. But I do recall reading a story of a woman and her dog both becoming sick. Like Cookie2 stated :Phenothrin is 85% total ingredient in Hartz Advanced Care plus and it was banned long ago due to its toxicity. I have just looked at the ingredients and both cat and dog versions have the same amount of phenothrin 85.7%. I think cats might have gotten sick more often than dogs because cats groom themselves constantly. And cats can reach the back of their heads (where the product is applied) with their paws.
Your welcome Cookie2.

P.S. The dog version of the product is applied on the dogs back from the shoulderblades down to the base of the tail. I'm pretty sure my dog can reach that area. Also if you have more than 1 dog and they play around. One of them may ingest the poisen.

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Mostly cats seem to have been affected by this. But I do recall reading a story of a woman and her dog both becoming sick. Like Cookie2 stated :Phenothrin is 85% total ingredient in Hartz Advanced Care plus and it was banned long ago due to its toxicity. I have just looked at the ingredients and both cat and dog versions have the same amount of phenothrin 85.7%. I think cats might have gotten sick more often than dogs because cats groom themselves constantly. And cats can reach the back of their heads (where the product is applied) with their paws.
Your welcome Cookie2.

P.S. The dog version of the product is applied on the dogs back from the shoulderblades down to the base of the tail. I'm pretty sure my dog can reach that area. Also if you have more than 1 dog and they play around. One of them may ingest the poisen.
What about children who play with dogs treated with this poison and elderly people like my Mom who is 88 and enjoys nothing more than for Toto to sit on her lap ... she will rub her fur off if I let her! I realize that they aren't licking her but if it's that toxic wouldn't there be a danger expecially if they are allergic? I wish we could find out what could be done!!
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Yikes, that stuff is scary! Thanks for alerting us to the dangers of Hartz and tick drops! I do worry about the flea stuff we put on Yoda (behind the neck). And yes, if you have several dogs, they will bite each other or nibble each other all over! Pretty dangerous to have them licking the flea medication!
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Old 09-23-2004, 03:41 PM   #10
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Default RECALL on ProHeart 6 heartworm Medicine!!!

Oh my goodness! I have been using the flea and tick drops on Patrick! He hasn't had any problems but I'm throwing it away NOW! Thank God I signed up on YorkieTalk because I have learned so much about how to protect my baby. I feel bad now b/c I used this on him.... and then I found out a few weeks ago they recalled the heartworm drug he's on because it caused deaths in other dogs..... I would HIGHLY recommend for EVERYONE who has their pets on ProHeart 6 to go here and READ!!!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5908836 As of Aug. 4, the drug agency received 5,552 reports of adverse reactions after dogs received heartworm shots. Its a twice a year shot dogs get for heartworms and have killed many pets!!!! Check it out!
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Oh thanks so much for all this info. What a panic feeling to most i am sure, as they reach for their flea products to see what is used. Our Schnauzer is on Frontline which shows the main ingr. to be 8.8% (s)-methoprene, 9.8% fipronil and the remaining ingr's to be "inert ingr's. whatever that all is???!!!

Schatzie had some Advantage (???) I believe it was applied by the vet when we stayed at a cabin over Labor Day weekend and she became infested in only two days with fleas. (we did too, grossed us out! ) However, we called the vet on Saturday 3 hours away and was told to use just a drop or two of Dawn dishwashing detergenton a bath for her, dry her well, no drafts, and NO FLEA REMIDY OF ANYKIND OVER THE COUNTER!!!! She has not had a flea since (or tick) but I never ever thought of her biting on our Schnauzer in play (always on the neck)...

So far no problems....

It is amazing all the dangerous things for dogs/cats on the market...

So far, Schatzie is not on any heartworm medi, our Schnauzer Annabelle is on Interceptor and has never had a problem. (knock on wood)

Oh, how we worry so much about our babies!!!
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PreciousPatrick: It's stories like yours that make YorkieTalk a great community. We're all here to educate and learn from each other, and see cute pictures of course!

Here's the full MSNBC story:
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WASHINGTON - ProHeart 6, a twice-a-year time-released heartworm medication used to treat millions of dogs, was recalled Friday at the request of the Food and Drug Administration after thousands of animals suffered adverse reactions.

ProHeart 6 was the first, and only, product approved by the FDA to be administered once every six months to treat heartworm disease in dogs. Its active ingredient, moxidectin, has been administered without problem to horses and cattle.

The time-released version caused few problems when given to dogs at higher doses in clinical trials. Health and safety problems quickly cropped up, however, when ProHeart 6 was used to treat dogs after receiving FDA approval.

Reports of injuries, deaths
As of Aug. 4, the drug agency received 5,552 reports of adverse reactions after dogs received heartworm shots. About 500 dogs died, though the agency said many deaths were not directly attributable to the product, manufactured by Fort Dodge Animal Health, based in Overland Park, Kan., a subsidiary of the pharmaceutical company Wyeth.

Some dog deaths were linked convincingly to the heartworm medication, which prompted the recall, said Stephen F. Sundlof, director of the FDA’s Center for Veterinary Medicine.

Dog owners were urged to consult veterinarians about other medications to prevent heartworm.

The agency had already asked Fort Dodge to revise the drug’s label and to issue notices to veterinarians and dog owners pointing out safety questions associated with the product.

“Despite all of the things that have been done, we continue to see these adverse events at approximately the same rate,” Sundlof told reporters late Friday.

The problems suffered by dogs include sudden lethargy, uncontrolled bleeding, vomiting, diarrhea, heart and liver problems and such nervous system abnormalities as seizures.

Problems affect dogs of all sizes, ages
“We don’t really understand why this product is causing these problems,” Sundlof said. “It affects dogs of all sizes and, apparently, dogs of all ages.”

Fort Dodge Animal Health is cooperating with FDA’s request for a recall but has “concerns about how the agency interpreted these complex data,” the animal health product manufacturer said in a prepared statement. “Based on a thorough evaluation of FDA’s data and consultation with independent experts in veterinary medicine and epidemiology, Fort Dodge Animal Health stands behind ProHeart 6.”

The FDA will convene an independent scientific advisory committee to review the matter.

Heartworm disease is caused by a parasite transmitted to dogs via mosquito bite. Roughly 250,000 dogs develop the potentially fatal ailment per year. Fort Dodge Animal Health said it has sold 18 million doses of ProHeart 6 to veterinarians since FDA approval in June 2001.
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My vet here in canada gave me revolution. Can anyone else relate to this product?
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Not sure if we get it in Wales but on another yorkie forum I've heard very positive things about it. Gypsy Rose was on frontline as I mentioned earlier in the thread but now I have Gizzie too I have changed to Advantix. Frontline and Advantix are pretty expensive here in Wales and with Advantix I get an extra phial!!! Haven't started it yet but think it is as good? Ana xx
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I am glad that I logged in today and searched the forum for information on flea and tick prevention. I purchased the Hartz Ultra Guard Flea & Tick Drops from Wal-Mart today to put on my Zoey, who is now right at 4 lbs. She's 5 1/2 months old. I will be promptly return this product tomorrow after reading this information. I am glad I searched on here before using it. I will take her to the vet early this week to get some of the Advantix product. Zoey is not outdoors that much, but we go on walks a few times a week and I take her out to potty, so she needs to be protected. The information on Yorkietalk is invaluable! Thanks!
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