Purina Ingredients Issue

[dottiesyrky]

I don't really know! Apart from taste tests for marketing I would assume not though. However, I guess the FDA does have health and safety standards that they monitor, test and control. I am getting to the stage where I am more concerned about ingredients in my dog's food than those in mine. LOL! As humans we can decide what to eat, but our pets depend on us and do not have a say. That is a big responsibility.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Does are human food get tested on humans?

Not necessary.

Most beauty products do.
All drugs, human and veterinary, do.
Rx food for dogs does because it is functioning as a drug.
All dog food should because most dogs et one single kibble constantly and have no variety. I'd have a big problem with no feeding trials.

Science is both amazing and devastating.

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Not necessary.

Most beauty products do.
All drugs, human and veterinary, do.
Rx food for dogs does because it is functioning as a drug.
All dog food should because most dogs et one single kibble constantly and have no variety. I'd have a big problem with no feeding trials.

Science is both amazing and devastating.

I just feel like if our food is not being tested on other humans and stuff then why does there's need to be? That does not include prescription food that's totally different in my opinion. See one of the things I do and have to do because Callie honestly gets board and will not eat is I switch between a few different foods and I feel like if one food lacks in something or has to much of something it might be the opposite in the other food. Although this is getting hard sense every darn dog food seems to be getting recalled. No matter what though I do think we need stricter rules for dog food.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Not necessary.

Most beauty products do.
All drugs, human and veterinary, do.
Rx food for dogs does because it is functioning as a drug.
All dog food should because most dogs et one single kibble constantly and have no variety. I'd have a big problem with no feeding trials.

Science is both amazing and devastating.

We have to have testing....in the medical field we MUST use animals for testing....like you, I dont like it, but it is necessary ....we have animal research labs in the basements of every teaching hospital in ther Medical Center...any of you with pacemakers, heart transplants, kidney transplants, lung transplants....those procedures were all tested and perfected on animals in the basements of every teaching hospital/research hospital in this country. I can not allow myself to think about it....and I do NOT venture down into those areas to see the animals.....my coworker in my office does research on GERD and the surgery for that medical issue...using dogs....it HAS to be done...so I personally function with the proverb, "If you cant stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". And my coworker will not discuss what he does, in front of me.... Ellie May, I just want to know, was I eating rendered dead pets when I was sharing a milk bone with Skippy?????!!!!!!!!!!

[DewiWihardja]

I think what I also question is why do animals hv to accept the experiments, well of course only because they can't fight or choose their own life, that's really sad but true. As it was quoted in the news, they choose dogs for their obedience and loyal trust to humans, this is honestly very sad. It's okay if the food experimented on them doesn't kill them, but if the food kill them, imagine how many dogs could have died from experiments, but of course it is for the sake of other dogs, to create better food, which sounds a little bit unfair somehow ...

but the most unacceptable one is of course using the dogs murdered from euthanasia for making other dog food, along with their collars. Using them for fertilizers sounds already weird to me ... Or maybe I'm just too sensitive and weak.

My friend told me that when the dog died, we usually hv to give them to the vet and thy will take care of them for us? But knowing that there's this thing, I would prefer have it cremated in the future. Though I don't want to think about it now as he's still a big baby (1 year) and his life is still long, hopefully...

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by DewiWihardja

I think what I also question is why do animals hv to accept the experiments, well of course only because they can't fight or choose their own life, that's really sad but true. As it was quoted in the news, they choose dogs for their obedience and loyal trust to humans, this is honestly very sad. It's okay if the food experimented on them doesn't kill them, but if the food kill them, imagine how many dogs could have died from experiments, but of course it is for the sake of other dogs, to create better food, which sounds a little bit unfair somehow ...

but the most unacceptable one is of course using the dogs murdered from euthanasia for making other dog food, along with their collars. Using them for fertilizers sounds already weird to me ... Or maybe I'm just too sensitive and weak.

My friend told me that when the dog died, we usually hv to give them to the vet and thy will take care of them for us? But knowing that there's this thing, I would prefer have it cremated in the future. Though I don't want to think about it now as he's still a big baby (1 year) and his life is still long, hopefully...

I worked for a vet years ago, as his "vet tech" before there was such a thing....I know about the truck that came and picked up euthanized animals....I would never leave my animal at the vet after it died....and I have had 2 babies cremated...I contacted them myself, delivered the body, and picked the body up. They "swear" they only have MY baby's ashes in the urn....but all you can do is hope they are telling the truth....

[DewiWihardja]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I worked for a vet years ago, as his "vet tech" before there was such a thing....I know about the truck that came and picked up euthanized animals....I would never leave my animal at the vet after it died....and I have had 2 babies cremated...I contacted them myself, delivered the body, and picked the body up. They "swear" they only have MY baby's ashes in the urn....but all you can do is hope they are telling the truth....

I honestly don't know the cremation law here in Italy. But if it's possible to have it cremated, watched by myself as in the human's cremation, I would prefer that. Or if the Cremation regulation in the human's place allows me also to cremate my dog, as long as I could pay, maybe I would prefer that, the most important is I could see the process and hv the ashes back...

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

Does are human food get tested on humans?

We don't have human foods that offer a complete and balanced diet. I mean you can’t buy a can/bag of human chow or kibble, that’s the major difference. We also don't have human foods that are considered Rx, for example, dog food that will reduce the risk of kidney stones. Foods made for dogs have to be balanced. It’s important that we know if dogs foods will do what they promise consumers they will do, and this can’t be done without testing. Certain human foods and vitamins have been tested on humans and obviously, all foods that humans eat are tested because nothing is really new. Most foods are also tested individually for nutritional value. We do have diets that have been tested on humans to see if they are beneficial for the treatment of disease and or weight loss. There’s much research in nutrition, but still there is so much we just don’t know.

[DewiWihardja]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

We don't have human foods that offer a complete and balanced diet. I mean you can’t buy a can/bag of human chow or kibble, that’s the major difference. We also don't have human foods that are considered Rx, for example, dog food that will reduce the risk of kidney stones. Foods made for dogs have to be balanced. It’s important that we know if dogs foods will do what they promise consumers they will do, and this can’t be done without testing. Certain human foods and vitamins have been tested on humans and obviously, all foods that humans eat are tested because nothing is really new. Most foods are also tested individually for nutritional value. We do have diets that have been tested on humans to see if they are beneficial for the treatment of disease and or weight loss. There’s much research in nutrition, but still there is so much we just don’t know.

Actually I understand the need for testing. Only that it seems unfair that it's tested on animals such as dogs only because they can't think and decide on their own, as they are also very loyal ... Also because we can't guarantee how many dogs could be killed before the testing is perfect for selling afterwards.

There is an Italian brand here that I just researched the last few days called Almo Nature, which is surely not sold in US or any other and it's very natural, even some said that even humans can eat that without any further side effects.

I think from my research they are one of rare that don't experiment on animals, including other brand that I'm using now, the trainer, which unfortunately my yorkie is not eager to eat that (or maybe it's the "bad habit" of all yorkies who usually don't want to eat their kibbles, unless it is softened or added with other yummy wet food).

As the others might hv said above, maybe the nicest one is if we know how to cook ourselves and maintain the nutrition inside.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by DewiWihardja

Actually I understand the need for testing. Only that it seems unfair that it's tested on animals such as dogs only because they can't think and decide on their own, as they are also very loyal ... Also because we can't guarantee how many dogs could be killed before the testing is perfect for selling afterwards.

There is an Italian brand here that I just researched the last few days called Almo Nature, which is surely not sold in US or any other and it's very natural, even some said that even humans can eat that without any further side effects.

I think from my research they are one of rare that don't experiment on animals, including other brand that I'm using now, the trainer, which unfortunately my yorkie is not eager to eat that (or maybe it's the "bad habit" of all yorkies who usually don't want to eat their kibbles, unless it is softened or added with other yummy wet food).

As the others might hv said above, maybe the nicest one is if we know how to cook ourselves and maintain the nutrition inside.

I think the important thing to remember is that we should be for testing and against inhumane testing. There are certain standards in testing that should always be used so that dogs are not subjected to stress or pain. Lots of these food trials can be given while the dogs live with their owners. Some food trials might have to take place in a lab, but even that can be done humanly. We have passed laws that pets are not allowed in lab studies, because of the undue stress. A dog raised in a kennel environment doesn’t find it stressful, however a house pet accustomed to the freedom of a a home would find the kennel environment very stressful. Remember, if there is no testing at all, your pet will ultimately be tested and yet there will be no one there to really understand what to look for. So the question to ask, is, Do you want controlled humane testing or not? Uncontrolled testing, is very dangerous to our pets.

[TxVicki]

Is Dog Meat Used to Make Dog Food? - PawNation

[DewiWihardja]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I think the important thing to remember is that we should be for testing and against inhumane testing. There are certain standards in testing that should always be used so that dogs are not subjected to stress or pain. Lots of these food trials can be given while the dogs live with their owners. Some food trials might have to take place in a lab, but even that can be done humanly. We have passed laws that pets are not allowed in lab studies, because of the undue stress. A dog raised in a kennel environment doesn’t find it stressful, however a house pet accustomed to the freedom of a a home would find the kennel environment very stressful. Remember, if there is no testing at all, your pet will ultimately be tested and yet there will be no one there to really understand what to look for. So the question to ask, is, Do you want controlled humane testing or not? Uncontrolled testing, is very dangerous to our pets.

Yes I know that testing is necessary, however, how much human the testing is done is still a big question to me and to many other pet owners :-s

Originally Posted by TxVicki

Is Dog Meat Used to Make Dog Food? - PawNation

OMG... :-s

[Lovetodream88]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

We don't have human foods that offer a complete and balanced diet. I mean you can’t buy a can/bag of human chow or kibble, that’s the major difference. We also don't have human foods that are considered Rx, for example, dog food that will reduce the risk of kidney stones. Foods made for dogs have to be balanced. It’s important that we know if dogs foods will do what they promise consumers they will do, and this can’t be done without testing. Certain human foods and vitamins have been tested on humans and obviously, all foods that humans eat are tested because nothing is really new. Most foods are also tested individually for nutritional value. We do have diets that have been tested on humans to see if they are beneficial for the treatment of disease and or weight loss. There’s much research in nutrition, but still there is so much we just don’t know.

The prescription food is a different thing but they obviously know what needs to be in a dog food to make it a balanced diet other wise home cookers would not know what they needed to do to make it balanced so if it has what is needed to make it balanced why does it need to be tested?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Lovetodream88

The prescription food is a different thing but they obviously know what needs to be in a dog food to make it a balanced diet other wise home cookers would not know what they needed to do to make it balanced so if it has what is needed to make it balanced why does it need to be tested?

Homecookers are supposed to get vet exams at least twice yearly.

And some dog food have failed feeding trials even though it looked right on paper.

About the above article, yes, I suppose diseased meat could end up in pet food, but that would be illegal (it is considered adulterated if the diseased portion is not removed). It would be incredibly silly for major companies to take that chace (Champion apparently did though). And notice specific companies are ever named. Why???

[mimimomo]

CVM = Center for Veterinary Medicine

CPG Sec. 690.500 Uncooked Meat for Animal Food

*CVM is aware of the sale of dead, dying, disabled, or diseased (4-D) animals to salvagers for use as animal food. Meat from these carcasses is boned and the meat is packaged or frozen without heat processing. The raw, frozen meat is shipped for use by several industries, including pet food manufacturers, zoos, greyhound kennels, and mink ranches. This meat may present a potential health hazard to the animals that consume it and to the people who handle it.*