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Old 01-29-2013, 12:16 PM   #16
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Great thread, I was amazed how many canned foods have this ingrediant. Also, another heads up Weruva headquarters is based in Natick, Mass, however the food is made in a state-of-the-art facility in Thailand. I am staying clear of this food as well. So frustrating.
Thanks for that info about weruva, crossing them off my mental list. 'State of the Art' phfffft, that doesn't mean anything to me...where are the ingredients sourced is what I would like to know.
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I contacted the Blue Buffalo company and expressed my concerns on the use of Carrageenan in their canned food. I was told about the safety and the reason for the use in canned food. I told her I understood but, as of now I would not be using their canned food. She told me she understood and would relay my concerns. I don't think it did any good but at least I gave my opinion!
Thank you for that! If there's scientific studies to back it up, they NEED to do something about it, not ignore it.

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I checked the ingredients in the California Natural canned Lamb and rice and didn't see it. I will double check as the print is so small. Mine eat canned 2 times a day and CN kibble once a day. I really hope its not in it. I hate changing foods.
Sorry Patti, I see it
Is this the one you're feeding: Natural Dog Food, Cat Food and Puppy Food for Pets With Food Sensitivity – California Natural

Carrageenan is the 5th ingredient, so there is sufficient amount to cause concern. Esp since they're so small & eating it 2 x's a day. Can you possibly get a refund for the remainder of the unused cans?


Ingredients

Lamb
Lamb Broth
Brown Rice
Ground Flaxseed
Carrageenan
Potassium Chloride
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Guar Gum
Minerals (Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt, Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Selenium Yeast, Potassium Iodide)
Sunflower Oil
L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Source of Vitamin C)
Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement)
Tricalcium Phosphate
DL-Methionine
Choline Chloride
Salt
Taurine
Beta Carotene
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I remember my x-bf's dog (Maltese/ Pekingese mix) having arthritis on his leg joints @ only 5 years old. He stopped going up the stairs & when he tried he screamed out in pain. He only ate those roll type foods, he wouldn't go near anything else. Now I'm wondering if it had carrageenan in it. I understand that it can also be a genetic disorder, Peke's tend to have back & leg problems, but carrageenan's ability to cause inflammation can make the existing problem worse.

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After reading it was in BLue Buffalo too I also wrote them an email too and linked the research presented here.

I told them I wouldn't be buying BB until this is removed...I just left out we aren't buying it now but still.
Loll @ the bolded part! Hoping they'll do something about it...but if it's in human food, when will they ever get to stop using it in pet food.
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Thanks for that info about weruva, crossing them off my mental list. 'State of the Art' phfffft, that doesn't mean anything to me...where are the ingredients sourced is what I would like to know.
Thank you for that! If there's scientific studies to back it up, they NEED to do something about it, not ignore it.


Sorry Patti, I see it
Is this the one you're feeding: Natural Dog Food, Cat Food and Puppy Food for Pets With Food Sensitivity – California Natural

Carrageenan is the 5th ingredient, so there is sufficient amount to cause concern. Esp since they're so small & eating it 2 x's a day. Can you possibly get a refund for the remainder of the unused cans?


Ingredients

Lamb
Lamb Broth
Brown Rice
Ground Flaxseed
Carrageenan
Potassium Chloride
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Guar Gum
Minerals (Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt, Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Selenium Yeast, Potassium Iodide)
Sunflower Oil
L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Source of Vitamin C)
Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement)
Tricalcium Phosphate
DL-Methionine
Choline Chloride
Salt
Taurine
Beta Carotene
Thanks Jenny, I went and looked again last night and there it was 5th ingredient. My old eyes aren't that good anymore. I will look into other foods. I have to feed low protein for Cali's MVD and Cali and Roxie have finicky tummies.
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Thanks Jenny, I went and looked again last night and there it was 5th ingredient. My old eyes aren't that good anymore. I will look into other foods. I have to feed low protein for Cali's MVD and Cali and Roxie have finicky tummies.
Patti...what is considered low protein?
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Thanks for the info. I just wonder if this could have been Kayla's problem. I am going to check out Royal Cannine.
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Great thread, I was amazed how many canned foods have this ingrediant. Also, another heads up Weruva headquarters is based in Natick, Mass, however the food is made in a state-of-the-art facility in Thailand. I am staying clear of this food as well. So frustrating.
UUGGHH!! That's Annoying!! I really liked Weruva. Some of Weruvas foods also have Carrageenan as well.

My cans of Canine Caviar didn't have it. I will just stick with them!!
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UUGGHH!! That's Annoying!! I really liked Weruva. Some of Weruvas foods also have Carrageenan as well.

My cans of Canine Caviar didn't have it. I will just stick with them!!
I was going rounds with Weruva, sales rep trying to convince me that Thailand was such a great place to have it's factory...I think not. Just like Jenny said, how do we know where the ingredients are coming from? I have learned to be a much more educated consumer from all of this, that is for sure.
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I was going rounds with Weruva, sales rep trying to convince me that Thailand was such a great place to have it's factory...I think not. Just like Jenny said, how do we know where the ingredients are coming from? I have learned to be a much more educated consumer from all of this, that is for sure.
Exxxactly!! Thanks Much For Posting this!!
I will stay away from them for sure, now!
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What's wrong with Thailand? It was my understanding that their safety and manufacturing protocols are much much stricter than the US.
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What's wrong with Thailand? It was my understanding that their safety and manufacturing protocols are much much stricter than the US.
It may very well be, but I doubt very much they are using ingredients from the US and shipping it to Thailand to be processed. I would worry a lot over vitamins and food sources not from our country.
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Canine Caviar canned food is for supplemental feeding only, not a complete diet. If you're looking for canned food just as a topper for kibble, it will be fine. Many people that feed CC order online...if you have a feed store or pet boutique that carries food, (it won't be in chain stores like Petsmart or Petco) they might be able to order it for you.
We've tried Weruva & Party Animal (I found this @ Whole Foods), there's a few out there that does not use carrageenan. I will need to compile a list when I get the chance.
So Canine Caviar can't be used as a meal? I can't seem to find any canned that doesn't have carrageenan in it. If anyone finds one I would love to know. Thanks
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So Canine Caviar can't be used as a meal? I can't seem to find any canned that doesn't have carrageenan in it. If anyone finds one I would love to know. Thanks
Hi Patti...the case of Venison that I just bought and had delivered a week or so ago does not have carageenan in it...it has guar gum.

Yes, the canned varieties are for supplemental feeding only because they are only a protein source and not a complete diet so they should be mixed with something else like some dry food or, as their rep said she does, mix it with their veggie mix.

I put a tablespoon over their dry food for each meal...I don't have to...it just gives them a little something extra in the bowl but it will raise the protein level of that meal so you have to give less dry. You can also give it to them as a treat or snack but, no, it is not a complete diet like their dry foods are.
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What's wrong with Thailand? It was my understanding that their safety and manufacturing protocols are much much stricter than the US.
Thanks for bringing that up to attention, I read online that Thailand has very strict protocols & Weruva manufactures all their food from there also. Any Doubts About Weruva’s Food Made in Thailand? | Tracie Hotchner Blog
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So Canine Caviar can't be used as a meal? I can't seem to find any canned that doesn't have carrageenan in it. If anyone finds one I would love to know. Thanks
Sorry Patti, I just saw your post! Did you manage to find an appropriate canned food? What is the acceptable percentage of protein that Cali can eat? I will look for & make a list of canned foods w/out carrageenan tonight...give me a day or 2 to post it.
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Thanks Jenny, I try and keep Cali on food that is no more than 21% protein. I found one canned food that didn't list Carrageenan as an ingredient. It is Organix by Castor & Pollux. I have never heard of it before so I don't know if it is any good. I bought one can but haven't used it yet. I'm going to the Pet specialty store I get their California Natural from in a couple if days and talk to them too.
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Thanks Jenny, I try and keep Cali on food that is no more than 21% protein. I found one canned food that didn't list Carrageenan as an ingredient. It is Organix by Castor & Pollux. I have never heard of it before so I don't know if it is any good. I bought one can but haven't used it yet. I'm going to the Pet specialty store I get their California Natural from in a couple if days and talk to them too.
I saw Castor & Pollux Organics @ Whole Foods. The canned food looks good, moderate protein, it actually has less than California Natural, which is good for Cali. Since canned food is mostly water, it needs to be converted to a dry matter basis so the protein will be much more than what it says on the can. Some others: Fromm, Halo, Nature's Variety (this might be too bz if you're looking for limited ingredient) & Party Animal. You might want to look into these & see if they have it @ your Pet specialty store.
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