More boosters??

[ironmike86]

Fwiw worth I've been sending my Daughter to Medical school for 3 yrs so far. So I get to see all the stuff she does and hear about it. Worked at the track with racehorses. I'm not completely ignorant about the issues of animal health care. Shots are easy.

[Ellie May]

To each their own.
I see vaccine reactions occasionally and my own dog had a severe reaction to one. I choose to have a vet present when vaccines are given, preferrably with their life savings drugs.

I don't see doctors suggesting parents somehow get. ahold of vaccines and immunize their children at home. Why should vet med be different...

Yes, giving shots is easy. That does not make it safe to do at home.

[concretegurl]

Obviously anyone can be taught to give shots-diabetics don't go see a nurse for every injection-it's the reaction possibility that is of the foremost concern furthermore do all breeders have biohazard and proper needle disposing containers as diabetics are required to have?

Do they have all needed material for a reaction and containment of a broken bottle of the vaccine materials?

This is why my opinion is such.

[ladyjane]

Shots may be easy, but dealing with anaphylaxis is not. I am an experienced medical person and I can tell you there is NO way on God's green earth that I will ever vaccinate a pup in my home. While reactions are indeed rare, I am not willing to take that chance because I know that I would not get to a vet in time. I would never be able to live with myself.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Use apple cider vinegar as a rub and to wash your dog...no need yo worry about a parvo shot.

Girl, I just spit coffee at my screen ! I know you didn't mean it as funny...but it hit me that way. I think it was bc the statement was so short and definitive. As in "don't worry about that flesh-eating bacteria - just throw on some ACV!" .

Seriously though - there may be some benefits to ACV, and I've read about it a lot since it's brought up here quite a bit. Personally, I wouldn't consider using ACV for potentially life threatening issues.

Originally Posted by ironmike86

(partial quote for clarity)
I agree to the point dogs should have all the "needed" shots the first year. Boosters can be spread out and not every year. The vaccinations became the norm for dogs because they were dying from diseases. But for some vets its a way to make $$. If the breeder has proven to give the pups shots. If one truly is worried they should have blood drawn before and test before the vaccinate. I'm going to research my Vet's and see how easy this is. May cost a little more but to me it would be worth it. JMO

Frequency of boosters for Rabies is mandated by state law. One year puppy boosters (diff than 'puppy vaccines') have to be given for the puppy vax to be effective.

I'm not a big supporter of breeders giving vaccines. It would be helpful if one of our breeders here on YT could share a story of giving a home-vaccine, and then watching a death via anaphylactic shock. Giving a vaccine chemical is in NO way like a diabetic giving themselves their daily insulin, in my opinion. In my opinion, it should be done at a facility that can support Medical Emergencies.

The part I bolded...I'm not clear as to whether you're referring to titers here...? If you are, just want to mention that titers are not at all conclusive in determining actual immunity (read about cellular and humoral immunity).

Originally Posted by ironmike86

fwiw a monkey can give shots. If you ever had a shot what the difference? Take a day class and you can have somebody give them to you.

LMBO! I was not aware that I could get shots from a monkey; this is helpful to know. I didn't just take a day class, I actually took the whollllle dang 4+ years and got my bachelors degree in Nursing. And I still would not give vaccines to my dogs. And I'll also mention that we (hubby and me) tried to give allergy shots (again, not anything like a vaccine chemical) to our 3 pound yorkie and could NOT properly restrain him. I'm not kidding; it was quite the surprise. And btw, our Vet Derm said that it's VERY common that pets do not allow their Mom/Dad to give shots; but then at the Vet office, that same pet will take a shot like it's nothing. That fact (from a vet) is not a small matter when you consider you could hit a bone or a vein in a struggling dog, while at home.

So, I guess I'm 'less than' a monkey . Which is fine, bc I generally respect monkeys more than most humans, so that's cool.

Originally Posted by McheleM

It's phlebotomy. And monkeys don't draw blood. Phlebotomists do. Phlebotomists do not administer shots. Shots are either intramuscular or subcutaneous. Phlebotomists must hit a vein. If you hit a vein during a shot, you've done it wrong. So having a phlebotomy certification has nothing to do with administering shots.

Couldn't give this enough thumbs up .

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To the original poster: your thread has evolved into something more than you likely planned on . Whether or not you want to accept the breeder's vax as valid is up to you; in the end, it's really your decision. Like I mentioned above, I want vax done in a medical/vet office - not at home. My vax plan follows Dodds and Schultz, mostly. Meaning: Core vaccines only throughout life, unless there is a localized epidemic; puppy vax, then 1 yr puppy booster, rabies as by law, all subsequent boosters as per Dodds/Schultz theories.

Please message me if you need further help...I can share any thoughts, and then I would also recommend 3-4 more members who can give varying opinions/thoughts so you'd get a full look at the issue.

[ladyjane]

To my knowledge distemper and parvo have never been controlled. They are always around so I don't think waiting for an epidemic to give vaccines is the way I would want to go. I prefer to follow the AAHA protocol. Although, I must say that in senior pups, I hold back.

Childrens' illnesses are controlled better due to the compliance requirements (ie : must have vaccines to be in school) . We don't have that in animals.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

To my knowledge distemper and parvo have never been controlled. They are always around so I don't think waiting for an epidemic to give vaccines is the way I would want to go. I prefer to follow the AAHA protocol. Although, I must say that in senior pups, I hold back.

Childrens' illnesses are controlled better due to the compliance requirements (ie : must have vaccines to be in school) . We don't have that in animals.

Well, we do for rabies; but not for DHPP

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

To my knowledge distemper and parvo have never been controlled. They are always around so I don't think waiting for an epidemic to give vaccines is the way I would want to go. I prefer to follow the AAHA protocol. Although, I must say that in senior pups, I hold back.

Childrens' illnesses are controlled better due to the compliance requirements (ie : must have vaccines to be in school) . We don't have that in animals.

I think this may have been for me since I mentioned epidemics. What I said above was that I do all the CORE vaccines (which includes parvo and distmpr). I do not and would not give non-Core like lymes, lepto, kennel cough etcetera -- UNLESS it became epidemic to my area. Then, I'd have to consider non-Cores....depending on the facts available.

I think you misinterpreted me as implying that parvo and distmpr are "controlled", which I didn't.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I think this may have been for me since I mentioned epidemics. What I said above was that I do all the CORE vaccines (which includes parvo and distmpr). I do not and would not give non-Core like lymes, lepto, kennel cough etcetera -- UNLESS it became epidemic to my area. Then, I'd have to consider non-Cores....depending on the facts available.

I think you misinterpreted me as implying that parvo and distmpr are "controlled", which I didn't.

I did misread your post and I apologize.

Feel free to remove my post if you want..I don't want to confuse people .

[concretegurl]

Dogs Naturally Magazine Lifelong Immunity – Why Vets Are Pushing Back

Interesting article.

How to Protect Your dog from a vaccine Junkie

http://www.leadwithyourheart.net/Dr.html


http://www.dogsparesort.com/books.html

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I did misread your post and I apologize.

Feel free to remove my post if you want..I don't want to confuse people .

No apology needed at all . I knew you only misread it...or more likely, I wrote it in a confusing way . Let's leave your post there, bc it may be that others are reading it that same way too; if I wrote it confusingly, it's prob good to have that clarification part later.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

No apology needed at all . I knew you only misread it...or more likely, I wrote it in a confusing way . Let's leave your post there, bc it may be that others are reading it that same way too; if I wrote it confusingly, it's prob good to have that clarification part later.

Honestly, I don't think you wrote it in such a confusing way...I need a refresher in reading comprehension.
Anyway...thank you.

[Roxys Mom]

Well right now I'm waiting til he gets another 5 days of his ear drops (14 days) and gets the all clear to be neutered. He was scratching at ear and shaking head, so I took him back in to vet. This was just days after last shot; he had yeast infection starting in both ears (moisture and lots of hair) and bacteria in one. He's on two drops, one a drying and one an antibiotic. We have plenty of the drying drops to use after baths. He stopped scratching about 24-48 hrs after first dose. They also plucked his ears.

He was not happy at all with them after that. But he's doing awesome again, so I am happy!

Oh and...pass on the shots. According to everything I've read, he's had all he needs including rabies with certificate, which I will register once he's fixed.

Thanks for the awesome info guys, you all are the best!

[kjc]

Hi all... adding a few more cents worth, lol... I haven't read all the posts so I hope I'm not repeating what anyone else has already said....

Consider breeder vaccs may be most likely given before 10-12 weeks. The majority of pups still have maternal antibodies in their systems... I think I recall reading that at 12 weeks all maternal ABs are gone from all pups in any given litter. At this point, when the Maternal ABs are gone... the pup will need three of any vaccine (two each a month apart and a yearly booster at one year of age), (except Rabies as it is initially given well after maternal ABs are gone and then is boostered at one year.)

So any vac given before the 12 week mark will need to be repeated twice and boostered at one year, due to the risk of the maternal antibodies destoying any vac given before then. As the pups in any given litter are born at slightly different times, and do not get the same amount of colostrum (first milk from mom) this also causes some pups to lose the Maternal ABs sooner than the other pups in the same litter, so it's difficult to say at which time each individual pup loses the maternal ABs and would thereby benefit from getting a vaccine.

In summary, going beyond 12 weeks with more than two of the same vaccine will not provide more protection and in fact can overload the pup's immune system.

[ironmike86]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I'm not a big supporter of breeders giving vaccines. It would be helpful if one of our breeders here on YT could share a story of giving a home-vaccine, and then watching a death via anaphylactic shock. Giving a vaccine chemical is in NO way like a diabetic giving themselves their daily insulin, in my opinion. In my opinion, it should be done at a facility that can support Medical Emergencies.






LMBO! I was not aware that I could get shots from a monkey; this is helpful to know. I didn't just take a day class, I actually took the whollllle dang 4+ years and got my bachelors degree in Nursing. And I still would not give vaccines to my dogs.

Fwiw you take your dog to the Vet. It gets it's shots. Then they send it home. How monitoring your dog? Not a vet. I know kids first semester in veterinary school who are doing shoots. So if you don't feel you could do it with 4 yrs of Nursing is irrelevant to what is practiced at Veterinary schools I guess.