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paulbran · 05-17-2011, 06:54 AM

Hi this is my first time on YorkieTalk. I would like to breed my 2 female yorkies, but I am having a tough time finding a good stud for him, that is not related, and of good markings. Is it better to get your own stud, and if so where is the best place to look. Thanks..

AlicetheYorkie · 05-17-2011, 08:34 AM

Oh boy, well, I'll warn ya, you're probably gonna get some slack here. Most of us believe in leaving breeding up to the professionals and yes, as far as I know, they almost always have their own male.

paulbran · 05-18-2011, 04:54 AM

Thanks for answering me with some information. I know everyone prefers to leave it up to the" professionals", but they were not born professionals they had to start from some place, so maybe I too can become a"professional" in time just like them. Please take no offense none is intended.
It's something I am thinking about but do not intend on doing at this point.

capt_noonie · 05-18-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by paulbran

Thanks for answering me with some information. I know everyone prefers to leave it up to the" professionals", but they were not born professionals they had to start from some place, so maybe I too can become a"professional" in time just like them. Please take no offense none is intended.
It's something I am thinking about but do not intend on doing at this point.

Also please take no offense here, but we have heard that phrase uttered too many times. While it is true, the best breeders find a mentor who takes them under their wing. That is the way to become a "professional". Most times you learn by helping out your mentor, and not using your own dogs, then later getting your own dam and sire.

There is just so much to consider before going into breeding. If you are wanting to get into breeding to supplement your income, then that is not the kind of breeder I would support. The kind I would support are the ones who breed for the betterment of the breed.

tjdmom · 05-18-2011, 01:55 PM

My best suggestion is start going to dog shows and maybe even think about showing your girls yourself. Reputable breeders are going to want to be sure you are responsible and that your girls are of breeding quality. Unfortunatly, so many reputable breeders have been scammed by people in the past that I think they tend to be a bit untrusting at first but there are some really nice people out there and you will just need to prove yourself a bit. Maybe you will be able to find someone there who will be willing to mentor you and that would be a huge help for you.

gemy · 05-18-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by paulbran

Thanks for answering me with some information. I know everyone prefers to leave it up to the" professionals", but they were not born professionals they had to start from some place, so maybe I too can become a"professional" in time just like them. Please take no offense none is intended.
It's something I am thinking about but do not intend on doing at this point.

Well, here is where the good professionals start. You start to study the breed; start with the AKC standard, order the illustrated standard from www.ytca.org. Start to go to the dog shows and watch the Yorkies there. Start to meet the breeders and exhibitors of Yorkies. You have two Yorkies, once you establish some contacts at these shows, or if you have a local breed club join them, have them go over your dogs, get an honest appraisal. Go to genetics seminars. Train your dogs in obedience, or rally, or agility, and get to meet more ppl, because that is often where you will get to meet the breeders who also compete with their dogs. Study structure, watch movement, learn coat texture, color. There are many good instructional videos out there; Dog steps is one I particularly like.

Learn all about the health problems of Yorkies, read everyday in the sick and emergency section at least 20 minutes. It is sobering information for a would be breeder.

In short there is no short way to become a "good breeder". Practically speaking anywhere from 5-10 yrs of studying, training, showing some pups to their championship, assisting in whelping, in evaluating litters, in analyzing structure, in putting your hands on as many Yorkies as possible.

Bluntly speaking no excellent breeder, will place/entrust a stud of their line, with someone they don't know, has never bred before or shown.

gracielove · 05-18-2011, 07:31 PM

I don't breed Yorkies. I am new to Yorkies but years ago I did breed Maltese for a short time. The first thing you have to do is get good breeding stock and that is not an easy thing to obtain. No good breeder is going to sell good breeding stock to just anyone. A good breeding female is going to cost you a lot of money. Going to shows and subscribing to the breed publications is a start. You need to find out who owns the good lines and try to establish contact with them. They don't want their stock becoming stock for a backyard breeder. If you are really serious about showing and breeding you might have a chance. Some breeders might be running out of room for good breeders and if they find they can trust you may sell you some stock but may also want a pick puppy in return.
There are so many serious problems that you can encounter by breeding these dogs when you know nothing about genetics or what weakness are in the dogs background. Breeding the wrong dogs can cause so much hurt to someone who purchases a pup who they later find is going to have long term health problems. If you read on this forum long enough you will see people who have dogs that do have long term health problems that are heartbreaking for the owner and the dog because they bought from an irresponsible and uninformed breeder. Think of the owner who saved and saved to buy their little furry love bug only to find that the dog has defects that require hundreds and even thousands of dollars to treat.
If you really want to breed research, research, research and find someone who is a successful and honest breeder who will help you learn. There are several serious genetic problems that Yorkies can carry and you need to be aware of the background of your dog.

intilis · 05-20-2011, 07:49 AM

I too wanted to breed yorkies. That was my intention 25 years ago when I got my first yorkie. I thought it would be fun, and maybe I could make some money. I did lots of research because I wanted to be a good breeder. I learned a lot from my research, but the most important thing I learned it that breeding yorkies IS NOT A HOBBY OR A WAY TO MAKE MONEY. I realized that there are so many risks & problems associated with breeding these little dogs. Many times the Mom & pups die or have serious health issues. After all of my research, I realized that I do not have what it takes to be a breeder, nor could I risk the life of my sweet little yorkie. I spayed my first yorkie, and every other pup I have ever owned. Please think very carefully before breeding your pup.

gracielove · 05-20-2011, 12:59 PM

intilis is so right. I used to show and raise Himalayan cats. It is a lot of work and it costs a lot of money. You buy the best stock you can, you have to be able to travel fairly frequently to show your animals and to seek out the right stock. Supplies can get pretty expensive as well and you have to be able to groom your animal properly. There are those who can pay to have someone else show and groom their animals but unless you have a very good income I doubt as a beginner you are going to do that. Any money made by the sale of kittens/puppies goes right back into the business. It is a business/hobby but not the kind you make a profit with. It is constant investment to improve and maintain your animals. You have to get to know the other people involved in the breed and that can be fun but it also can be difficult. Not everyone involved with animals are the nicest people you would want to meet. It is very competitive and there are those who are willing to help a newbie and those who will not give you the time of day. On top of it all there is the fact that if you are raising animals that carry genes that can result in a defective pet someone may very well want you to pay for that problem. I haven't been on YT very long but I have learned much about the health problems Yorkies can have. It's very sad and it is enraging to see the number of irresponsible breeders that are breeding dogs that have these health problems in their background.

MaddiesMommie · 05-20-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie

Also please take no offense here, but we have heard that phrase uttered too many times. While it is true, the best breeders find a mentor who takes them under their wing. That is the way to become a "professional". Most times you learn by helping out your mentor, and not using your own dogs, then later getting your own dam and sire.

There is just so much to consider before going into breeding. If you are wanting to get into breeding to supplement your income, then that is not the kind of breeder I would support. The kind I would support are the ones who breed for the betterment of the breed.

Yes. This is how "professionals" are born.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...t-breeder.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-answered.html

05-17-2011, 06:54 AM	#1
paulbran Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC, US Posts: 23	Breeding Hi this is my first time on YorkieTalk. I would like to breed my 2 female yorkies, but I am having a tough time finding a good stud for him, that is not related, and of good markings. Is it better to get your own stud, and if so where is the best place to look. Thanks..

05-17-2011, 08:34 AM	#2
AlicetheYorkie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 889	Oh boy, well, I'll warn ya, you're probably gonna get some slack here. Most of us believe in leaving breeding up to the professionals and yes, as far as I know, they almost always have their own male. __________________ Jenn, mom to: Dayton , Alice ,Darla, Miya , Summer & Chooch

05-18-2011, 04:54 AM	#3
paulbran Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Myrtle Beach, SC, US Posts: 23	Breeding Thanks for answering me with some information. I know everyone prefers to leave it up to the" professionals", but they were not born professionals they had to start from some place, so maybe I too can become a"professional" in time just like them. Please take no offense none is intended. It's something I am thinking about but do not intend on doing at this point.

05-18-2011, 01:55 PM	#5
tjdmom Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: upstate ny Posts: 5,847	My best suggestion is start going to dog shows and maybe even think about showing your girls yourself. Reputable breeders are going to want to be sure you are responsible and that your girls are of breeding quality. Unfortunatly, so many reputable breeders have been scammed by people in the past that I think they tend to be a bit untrusting at first but there are some really nice people out there and you will just need to prove yourself a bit. Maybe you will be able to find someone there who will be willing to mentor you and that would be a huge help for you.

05-18-2011, 07:31 PM	#7
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	I don't breed Yorkies. I am new to Yorkies but years ago I did breed Maltese for a short time. The first thing you have to do is get good breeding stock and that is not an easy thing to obtain. No good breeder is going to sell good breeding stock to just anyone. A good breeding female is going to cost you a lot of money. Going to shows and subscribing to the breed publications is a start. You need to find out who owns the good lines and try to establish contact with them. They don't want their stock becoming stock for a backyard breeder. If you are really serious about showing and breeding you might have a chance. Some breeders might be running out of room for good breeders and if they find they can trust you may sell you some stock but may also want a pick puppy in return. There are so many serious problems that you can encounter by breeding these dogs when you know nothing about genetics or what weakness are in the dogs background. Breeding the wrong dogs can cause so much hurt to someone who purchases a pup who they later find is going to have long term health problems. If you read on this forum long enough you will see people who have dogs that do have long term health problems that are heartbreaking for the owner and the dog because they bought from an irresponsible and uninformed breeder. Think of the owner who saved and saved to buy their little furry love bug only to find that the dog has defects that require hundreds and even thousands of dollars to treat. If you really want to breed research, research, research and find someone who is a successful and honest breeder who will help you learn. There are several serious genetic problems that Yorkies can carry and you need to be aware of the background of your dog.

05-20-2011, 07:49 AM	#8
intilis YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sayreville, NJ, and Stuart Fl, Posts: 881	I too wanted to breed yorkies. That was my intention 25 years ago when I got my first yorkie. I thought it would be fun, and maybe I could make some money. I did lots of research because I wanted to be a good breeder. I learned a lot from my research, but the most important thing I learned it that breeding yorkies IS NOT A HOBBY OR A WAY TO MAKE MONEY. I realized that there are so many risks & problems associated with breeding these little dogs. Many times the Mom & pups die or have serious health issues. After all of my research, I realized that I do not have what it takes to be a breeder, nor could I risk the life of my sweet little yorkie. I spayed my first yorkie, and every other pup I have ever owned. Please think very carefully before breeding your pup.

05-20-2011, 12:59 PM	#9
gracielove YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: NY Posts: 6,582	intilis is so right. I used to show and raise Himalayan cats. It is a lot of work and it costs a lot of money. You buy the best stock you can, you have to be able to travel fairly frequently to show your animals and to seek out the right stock. Supplies can get pretty expensive as well and you have to be able to groom your animal properly. There are those who can pay to have someone else show and groom their animals but unless you have a very good income I doubt as a beginner you are going to do that. Any money made by the sale of kittens/puppies goes right back into the business. It is a business/hobby but not the kind you make a profit with. It is constant investment to improve and maintain your animals. You have to get to know the other people involved in the breed and that can be fun but it also can be difficult. Not everyone involved with animals are the nicest people you would want to meet. It is very competitive and there are those who are willing to help a newbie and those who will not give you the time of day. On top of it all there is the fact that if you are raising animals that carry genes that can result in a defective pet someone may very well want you to pay for that problem. I haven't been on YT very long but I have learned much about the health problems Yorkies can have. It's very sad and it is enraging to see the number of irresponsible breeders that are breeding dogs that have these health problems in their background.