Annual Vaccinactions - why are some still doing them?
 

A couple of us are just kinda wondering, for those who still vaccinate annually, is there a particular reason why?

Is it that you're comfortable with it?
Vet insists?
Don't want to question vet?
Aren't convinced that they cause harm?
Research too confusing (you're not alone!)?

The poll in the "polls" section seems to be saying that 50% of YT'ers are still doing these things annually. But then the AAHA says totally unnecessary, so is it the AAHA that people aren't trusting?

I am glad you posted this as it is SCARY to me that this is polling out this way

I joined the gme group and reading about this more after rorie incident and seems alot of dogs are getting this after vaccinations :( It is not a direct cause but since gme can be disease or autoimmune related they are tying the two together. On the group today they stated that when the annual vaccine cards go out this time of year they have alot people join the group regarding gme shortly after :(

they also stated they are seeing it mostly in yorkies and maltese breed :(

Dr Sisson is the expert on GME so they are forwarding his paper for me to read as well and he said the protocol that he recommends is one year booster then only rabies every 3 years there after and he believes the dog has immunity for 10 years after that one year booster for dhpp also he said no real reason to titer as even a low titered dog can have immunity

Crystal, thanks for the follow up to this poll.

I really want to understand why folks are still overvaccinating -- bc if we understand the reason, maybe there is way we can all help address it :) and keep our yorkies safe, using only the vaccines they need.

me too ann as the only thing i can think of is they trust the vet, the vet sends the annual card and the vet is not up to date on current information so i will be real curious to see what the answers are here :( I just hate to see so many getting unnecessary diseases as well as some dying from reactions :(

Jada goes to the vet tomorrow for her annual check up and Rabies. We are not doing booster for anything else. I may do every 3 yrs on the boosters, but right now I am not going to do anything but Rabies. My DIL is a vet tech for my vet and she says that in our area most people are only doing rabies on their small animals. I know in the past he only gives our house cat his boosters every 3 years, if it wasn't required by law I would not do rabies either. Too much risk involved. I was really surprised how the poll turned out.

I am just dumb! I answered that thread forgetting that I changed vet's
because the old vet would not stop giving yearly vaccines. Can you believe
I forgot that? I ment to go back to that thread and post an update but
got busy at work, then saw this.
Our vet works by the AAHA protocol. I just made Bud's yearly and all he
needs this year is a boster for lymnes, which is a must because our walking
area is shared with hundreds of deer.
I feel like such a dunce forgetting about the switch.
I might not look 68 today but my brain is a dead give away to my
age:(

lol you are not dumb you are smart you posted what happened before YOU were smart enough to switch vets not everyone does sadly :( so i think you are SMART GF

I have just started do research on vaccines, you all have much more knowledge in this area than I do. I your opinion what vaccines do you think are really necessary. My two rarely ever go outside, are not around other animals other than than my mom's biewer. I do my own grooming, so I just wondered what actuall risk is there for them, that I would need to vaccinate for.

Well I dont vaccinate annually.

But most people I discuss it with have the attitude that the vets went to school for this and know better then them so if they tell them to do it they are going to do it.

I actually had one person tell me that maybe the reason my dog was sick (with MVD) was BECAUSE I dont vaccinate like the vets tell you to :eek: Seriously, people are just that uneducated sometimes.

Hey C

maybe admin can change the title to ANNUAL VACCINATIONS WHY? just a thought as i hope to draw more people here so we can get some answers on this :(

yep 100% agree with this PEOPLE TRUST THEIR VETS and need to do some homework. We all get lazy in our professions sadly it happens to all of us professionals. We stop educating ourselves on the current research and go with the flow but in the medical profession sadly this can be deadly.

My Vet recommends boosters every 2 years. I did titers 2 years ago for Parvo and Distemper and they were both good. My Vet says I don't have to do the booster, but he did make a comment that "they may not let them in the hospital" without the boosters. I haven't come to that yet, so I don't know what will happen.

Rabies is 3 yrs by law, and I can't not do it :(

IDK why Crystal other than they just take the vets word for it and don't research further.

I was just at our vet this morning, the vet was one the phone telling a client...."Daisy is due for her boosters on May 15th". I wanted to ask him why he still insists on yearly boosters, but knew the answer already....Money!:mad:

Until the ALL vets get on board with newer vaccine protocols, I don't see the situation changing. All we can do is try to educate through talking to our friends, familes, etc. and of course educating here.

I hate when vets threaten that :rolleyes:

At our vets only Rabies is required and they have even let us stop vaccinating our cat for that and still let her in... she has a medical exemption for Rabies (injection site sarcoma survivor) and they are fine with that.

did they say why 2 years when protocol is 3 now?

Wow i cannot imagine them requiring it to be hospitalized :( as when dex was so sick with pancreatitis the one vet gave him bordatella vaccine as yep had no clue that was a bad thing to do to a dog that was so sick :( the er and specialty hospital were furious a vet would do this to a sick dog :( and asked why this was done and i said I DUNNO the vet told me it was ok :(

I guess it would be good to call around before an emergency situation to find out what hospitals require dhpp and which do not so if that comes up you know where to go as i know our specialty hospital does not require it thank goodness

i think money is part of it but mostly not keeping up on things I think as i want to see the good in the profession still lollll I just wish they sent out cards that said - muffy is due for her annual exam rather than muffy is due for her annual vaccines :( We should be taking our dogs to vet yearly for check ups some twice a year if they have health issues but the excuse to get people into vet by vaccinations is wrong as it is almost like a scare tactic to get people to take their dog to the vet. Maybe some people need to be scared and is their reasoning :(

so here is something to think on - if we have to get info for vaccinations here and not soley from the vet then why wouldn't we educate ourselves on other health issues including our own health?

Just to clarify - when talking "protocols", here you're referring to AAHA protocol.

But many of us, like myself, follow Dr. Dodds' protocol. :)

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you are correct i am talking dr dodds :) sorry about that as do not know anything about aaha lolllll I get all my titers and blood work done by jean Dodds so this is all i know

I am trying to learn here as well as this is one subject that i want to learn more about as it is so controversial and i want my dogs safe:(

I had a huge scare as i titer and that plumber came in my home twice the week his dog was hospitalized for parvo and doubt he used bleach on his shoes :( I called around to everyone as panicked lolll and not ONE said to take my dog in for dhpp or parvo vaccine they said - do not worry they will all be fine they had their puppy shots and they were fine - so WHY are we vaccinating them yearly? Mine are all 6 this year and dex had one year booster, demi one year booster and dd only 6 month puppy shots dhpp -so you can see why i was nervous lollll but i was all ok and dd even is on steroids thus suppressing her immune system further

Be the alpha :p! I think it helps to print this out - and just simply say "I decided this is the vaccination protocol I'd like to follow." -- just make a statement. Maybe bring someone, a friend, with you if that feels better?

I understand your situation but I think you should know that most vets are more likely to listen to your arguments when they know you are the kind that come in frequently. Mine get exams yearly, bloodwork, and go to the vet anytime any issue arises... maybe they go too frequently... so my vet knows that my failure to vaccinate is an educated choice and not an excuse to save money and not come in. So you may be making it worse for yourself by not going in.

Also dont be intimidated or scared to stand your ground... I am only 24, I got my oldest Yorkie when I was 21, my cat when I was 18... and I have always stood up for what I believed in with them and I have never had a vet react to my age in a negative way at all. As soon as I come in and start talking to them and they realize that I know what I am talking about, they never seem put off by my age at all. Telling your vet that you dont want to vaccinate doesnt have to be controversial at all... just tell them your reasons... I have only had a "heated" discussion with one vet about it and I never went back to that practice... I have a great relationship with my vet and he is very respectful of my choices... he was even nice when I told him no matter what his office policy was I was taking my girl home the day of her spay :p Its all in the delivery.:thumbup:

Sorry to ramble... basically stand up for what you believe in, it doesnt matter how old you are! ;)

Well, Jackson just recently had his 1 year boosters (he's 1.5 years old now) and she told me they were good for the next 3 years. He got his last Rabies vaccine at 6 months old (we were late on getting it...) so he's due this month for his 1 year rabies booster that we will get because it's required by law. I'm not planning on vaccinating him anymore, except for rabies every 3 years because of the law, so I guess I will deal with that when the time comes 3 years from now.

I agree I am a lot like you though others may think differently lollll as i was pressured into giving my dog with issues a drug as well even though i knew better it happens to even those of us that have learned alot through our unfortunate experiences.

You are wise to do the lyme if this is the case or at least learn more about it for sure as i have no clue on that either as we do not have deer ticks but dh wants to move to ohio and so i know that is an issue there as his bro has deers on his property so if we move i will do a ton of homework prior. Knowing your area is very key.

here is Jeans correct protocol as her protocol was going around the internet wrong so i emailed her to find the right site she recommends personally and here it is below

Dr-Dodds-ChangingVaccProtocol

also here is jean's resume

http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-RESUME.HTM

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As usual, great advice Ann!

We shouldn't be intimidated by anyone providing health care. I ask so many questions, I know our vet secretly rolls his eyes and thinks *not again*. But when it comes to my pets, if my vet can't handle the questions, I need to find another.

So, your Vet wants to follow AAHA, but you're following Dr. Dodds and the current, published research.

I wish I could ask some of these vets - "what is the reason you don't follow current, peer-reviewed, published research?" :rolleyes:? ($$$)

lol ann i had to laugh at this as brought dh with me on that incident i referred to and was still bullied lolll and dh said what the heck he is the professional lollllll

I will never let that happen again and have not as was being pressured by our normal vet to give her convenia shot and i said NO as i do not know anything about it and we had not determined if she had uti as brought in urine for urinalysis and culture and he backed down and said no prob and at the end of the visit i said now you do remember dd got hives from simplicef right and he said oh wow good thing we did not give convenia shot as in the same family as simplicef and could have been a nightmare so i was so happy i finally stood my ground - felt bad for doing it as he got an attitude but saved my dog from being sick and still mad at myself for not standing my ground prior with other incident :(

Ann can do whatever she would like. :)

lol because they do not read it lolllll

A lot of vets require annual shots to hospitalize. Very sad...
But even if this is the policy, some vets will make exceptions for certain pups.
Ellie's vet just told me if anybody gives me a problem, have them talk to her. It's enough work to get some of these vets to alter the schedule. No need to fight the office staff too!

BTW, I'm young also. I have a huge amount of respect for Ellie's vet, but that is returned to me. Some vets, yes, you can't question because they "are the professional." But really, maybe there is a better vet out there then?