This subject is a huge pet peeve of mine……I started looking into this about two years ago and I was shocked at the information that I found out about vets overvaccinating our pets. Dr. Dodds is not the only researcher fighting this, Dr Schultz is also….. Dr. B. Rogers and Dr. Pitcairn, Dr C. Loops and many, many, more vets are also voicing their objections to this practice. There are also many pet advocates trying to get the word out……This information is not new, many of these people who are vocal about this have been doing this for decades………

The three year recommendation is also too often for giving boosters. It was a *compromise* to appease the angry vets who are fearful of lost profits. Talk about ethical vets.....Shameful...... If you look at Dr. Dodds schedule she has no mention of boosters after the one year vaccines, this is also the same recommendation from all the other researchers. There is absolutely no scientific basis for boosters.

So you ask why are we still overvaccinating? We have allowed those in positions of authority to instill unnecessary fear in us; fear that if our animals are not religiously vaccinated, we are endangering their lives. Shame on all of us.

As a side note……..I was extremely surprised at the results of the poll regarding the use of combo vaccines. The use of combo vaccines is also not a recommended vaccine, they are not promoted by any researcher or advocate, yet most vets use them. This vaccine has many problems associated with its use……These are some of the problems with the use of combo vaccines…

*Their contents consist of a mixture of bacteria and viruses, several of which are not beneficial or needed.

*This powerful mixture overwhelms the immune system putting the dog at risks for developing chronic diseases, it also greatly increases the risks for adverse reactions.

*The components also compete with each other, which can result in neutralization or negation or can produce a poor antibody response.

*If your dog experiences a reaction to the combo shot, there is no way to determine which antigen caused the reaction and must be avoided in the future.

*If all this isn’t bad enough, the components are unnecessary for most adult dogs, the great majority of which have lifetime immunity to the important shots or have no need for other ingredients.

Combination shots are part of the unethical practice of over-vaccination of pets. They should have no place in your dog’s health care regimen. And vets who use them should have no place in your dog’s life. Please, speak up for the ones who can't......

What we're talking about here - vaccine protocols - isn't just "talk". This is based upon published, peer-reviewed research. Also, dogs have sacrificed their lives in order for OUR dogs to have this research and lead safer, healthier lives through not being overvaccinated.

If I remember correctly, you start vaccinating your pups at 6 wks and you give lepto, and you vaccinate anuually - and I don't know of any protocol that supports this - I really wish you'd consider what is recommended currently bc I think you're doing your pups' health a great disservice :(. Lepto is non-core and is especially dangerous to yorkies in particular. The AAHA has listed that vaccine as non-core since 2003 (at least!?), so for 7 years now. The AAHA's vaccine protocol even states, "...anecdotal reports of acute anaphylaxis in toy breeds" -and- "...most severe reactions in young puppies..." -and- "efficacy can be low".

Vaccinations affect the immunity and health of a pup for their lifetime. Overvaccinating can be very detrimental - just look at the research. This is why it's important to give our dogs only what they really need for the best health.

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Why do some breeders not do research on these important issues......Just because a pup is up and walking around after a vaccine is in so way shape or form an indication the vaccine did no damage. You can't see what is taking place on a cellular level inside the pup....This practice is starting the pup off on a bad start for the new pet owner....What a shame......


This is in regards to starting a pup off by not doing vaccines in a safe and correct way.... too soon and too many....

“If you imprint the immune system incorrectly, it will never work correctly again.” Ronald D. Schultz.

i do what vets protocol here in va all i have ever seen nor heard is that your pup should be vaccinated at 6 9 12 weeks..always severed me well..my pups are healthy and thriving..never a problem..any vet i have ever worked with does the same.never heard any different till YT

i also know for a fact that a dog can and will get parvo if not vaccinated..and i would think thats how is transferred. by people NOT vaccinating and spreading the diseases that way and the ones that arent protected will be the ones suffering.

i have never had to deal with an illness or reaction

i know working for a rescue we had some young terriers with parvo..thats not something to play around with and taking chances on..so i will keep with protecting my pets..i dont think its necessary to give it yearly once older..but definitely every other year

i also know a person who brought home a new puppy and she stated she had been vaccinated (lbreeder lied) and the puppy got parvo..she survived but it was costly and there was the fear of her other pets being in jeopardy . she couldnt have any more puppies for some time if she wanted one..she had to bleach the entire home..and thats time consuming and not to mention the heart ache and fear of losing her pet because she wasnt vaccinate and hadnt built up enough of an immune system

the idea of not vaccinating sounds like a breeding ground for parvo...

JMO

i had to watch those videos again so here are two questions that come to mind

if vets are titered and they know they are safe why are they not accepted in dogs?

also is the profit coming from annual vaccines or is the profit coming in the care of a sick dog from vaccines?

good questions

well its a dang shame when they die of parvo because someone didnt prevent it

Tammy - NO ONE is saying NOT to vaccinate. What is being said is to NOT overvaccinate.

Using your logic then...which is *not* to follow published, current research - you would be comfortable vaccinating every month then? I mean, do you see what we're saying?

Do you understand DOI? The research is saying --> if DOI is lifetime, it is then unhealthy to continue to assault the immune system by giving vaccines.

Do *you* get a chicken pox vaccine vaccine every year? Why or why not?

I agree

there was a girl on here and she lived about 2 hrs from me and she called every vet near her and not one had the parvo and distemper separated. She was so upset posted on here so i called my vet as when mine were vaccinated i did not know this existed so mine got the combo. My vet now does separated parvo distemper but she charges for a vet visit each time to get them separately. I am not sure but sadly this girl would have had to drive 2 hrs to go to my vet due to none of them in her area having it. I think it is because most owners are uneducated and just go with the flow so it is cheaper for them to get the combo rather than the separated so why pay for two separate vaccines when you can just give one and if you do not carry it what choice does the owner have?

Is it more expensive for the separate parvo and distemper than the combo for the vet to buy as i really do not know what the costs are ?

I think the answer is both, Deb. And, not only are the vets making $$ from both, when a pet dies at what I consider too early an age (possibly bc of the over vaccinating and trash food vets promote), the vets are assured when you get another puppy, the cycle of profit continues for them.

i believe in doing the booster at 6 9 12 and sometimes 15 weeks..and then once a year.i do believe in it..thats what has been taught for years..and im old school if it aint broke dont fix it... for me its not broke..

no i dont follow new researches at all..one day something is good for you the next its not...i do what i know works for us...

check out my post below where i have titered for 5 plus years and a plumber came in to my home 2xs the week his puppy was in the vet for parvo. My dogs are fine. Every professional i called as i called ALOT loll told me do not worry they were vaccinated as puppies they will be fine - why? because they know once the puppy shots are done the dog is probably protected. They also told me at specialty hospital that parvo is EVERYWHERE. You can get it on you and bring it in to your home no matter where you live. My friends dog got parvo because she did not do puppy shots and took her dog hiking in the mountains and it was sad as she could not find a vet to take her and quarantine her but after running around all over finally found one and her dog lived.

The two examples are this puppy you stated and my friend is they did not have their puppy shots and the dogs need to have that to be protected. It is the dhpp after the one year booster that is in question on necessity

the 5 way is cheaper then the 7 way with lepto..i also dont know any vets that separate it..but mine have it before i heard of any reactions from it..and im not uncomfortable with using it....but i typically do the 5 way without lepto

But we aren't talking about not vaccinating puppies. Yes, puppies should get vaccinated. Every protocol out there says so and it is just plain scary to not.

This is what to do after the one year booster is given.

And even for those who insist on starting at 6 weeks, they should not be stopped until 16 weeks minimum (preferably 18). That leaves a lot of dogs wide open for disease. Surprising that vets say vaccines are needed yearly, but at the same time they don't know to give one more set to puppies.

Do vaccines come from different companies and are there some safer than others?

Can they be contaminated and reported by lot number to vets like say a recall on vaccines?

I concur. It was a compromise. It is generally what I recommend to people though because they are too worried to go the other way (i.e Dodds). I don't vaccinate anymore except for rabies. Ellie is 8. She doesn't need them.

Giving them all in singles, in a perfect world maybe... I don't have a big problem with DHPP. When adding lepto or corona to that or giving something else the same day, then I say a big no. Generally a healthy dog will do fine with DHPP just like humans get whatever they are giving now together. It would take a lot to change this because more vet visits would be needed. I also have to wonder what these MLV vaccines are preserved with and if giving that two or three times instead of once is a good idea.

Just a side note......Dr. Dodds believes that 100% of the pups that contract parvo picked it up at the vets office........

Tell me this, if one of your pups was diagnosed later in life with thyroid disease, allergies, cancer, epilepsy, Immune-mediated hemolytic anemia (IMHA) and immune-mediated thrombocytopenia (ITP), liver failure etc. etc. would it ever occur to you that this just may be connected to the vaccines you administered to the pup?...... I doubt many breeders would ......

Yes and yes.

i know parvo is everywhere and i feel safer knowing my pets are protected

so what happens in ten years when people have stopped vaccinating regularly and there is a bigger problem with parvo and the new research says go back to vaccinating? are you just going to switch back because thats what they say to do?

sometimes these "new researches" are marketing scams..you just never know..like someone else said is it the scam to not vaccinate n have sick puppies and make money off the sick puppies? or is the scam over vaccinating and having sick puppies and making money? could the scam be to not vaccinate and de-populate all the dogs out there, so many in shelters and such...just like when they take a prescription drug that does multiple things but sell it for one thing at a time and just rename it three different times.

It is good to hear the other side on this for me as sadly i have a dog that has auto immune disease and it all started after her puppy shots :( I never put two and two together until i started learning more about this stuff. My dog was perfectly fine prior to her rabies and puppy shots and then all heck broke loose she would not stop itching was a horrible mess and has been ever since she was six months old.

Allergies in dogs start from the age of 6 months (interesting after shots are done) and up to 3 years of age (after boosters are done yearly for awhile)

Also epilepsy in dogs starts to happen after the age of 3 years old (after vaccinating dogs many times possibly)

Cancer in sites of injection for vaccines

Also neurological conditions within months of vaccinations like Rorie who is a little over 1 year as well as many dogs with neurological conditions like my friends dog with gme. I asked her how long after her vaccinations did she get this and she said within a few months. Her dog was perfectly normal prior. GME is an autoimmune disease or it is tied to an infection disease.

I just think there are alot of coincidences here - could be way off base but trust me when you have one that is sick you start doing your homework and learning about all this stuff to find out what the heck happened to my dog that was perfectly normal prior. Now i have two other dogs that had no issues at all. This breed is very inbred which means they have a poor immune system in many cases so throwing multiple unnecessary vaccines on top of that is just a recipe for disaster.

I agree 100%...The vet will make more money treating the chronic disease that result from overvaccination...I know this sounds evil but vets are just like any other business, profits.....It is a business simple as that.....

I wish I would have saved the article I ran across from a veterinary periodical. The vets where discussing how they where going to increase their profits when they start losing income from vaccines. They where talking about getting people into the office under the pretense their pets needed several wormings a year to keep the pet healthy and parasite free and how they could use fear telling the client the parasites where contagious to the family members. The article also quoted several vets as saying they will *never* switch to the new protocol until they are *forced* to......This is malpractice by my standards......

i honestly dont know..i have never had these issues arrise nor heard of someone elses..i think there could be other possible causes as well but sure it would be considered but there is no history to compare it with at this time

Humans have been getting childhood vaccinations now for 50+ years. You don't see adults that had their childhood vaccinations getting measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio, etc. do you? Would not the same logic translate to our dogs? Would you suggest adults need to have annual boosters of those mentioned vaccinations? Do you get them, if not, why?

Good questions

I have a friend who has owned dogs for years she does puppy shots then one year then she is done and she has never had a sick dog so she has done the opposite of you and never had a problem.

I think getting non-bias info is key - what profit do the people saying to titer or not vaccinate after 1 year make? What profit do the vets get from an over vaccinated dog that is now sick? I can tell you it is about 10,000 as that is what i have spent on my dog with allergies over 6 years trying everything to help her. Sadly a dog dies of parvo or it cost own 1,000 the plumber said to save his dog but that dog is not going to cost the owner for the rest of its life like it is costing me for my dog. I got off cheap with dd but my friend whose dog got cancer at 7 just spent 30,000 in chemo, surgery removing cancer, etc over the course of a year to get him in remission. Neurology costs 2500 for mri and spinal tap and my friend whose dog has gme has spent a ton in chemo drugs, neurological exams, etc.

Follow the money and usually you will get your answers sadly

It really is what you are comfortable with for your dog and it is good to hear the other side for sure that your dogs have been fine

My parents dog was great for 7 years went into vet for ANNUAL vaccines yep even my dad did not believe the vet could be wrong. His dog got the bordatella vaccine and started vomitting blood and diarhea blood and was very sick with a viral infection right after vaccine. The vet said maybe it is pancreatitis and failed to accept it could be the vaccines done all one one day as well. My dad paid 1500 i believe and bear was hospitalized for a week for this. The only difference is the bordatella shot that year and it is viral. After that my dad went whoa you are right this is scary and now will not do vaccinations for bordatella or dhpp anymore. Bear is a silky so a bigger dog than most yorkies

i also look at as a guessing game, what if game and who/what can i blame game

not all problems show up with in the first couple months and it very well could be just coincidences

one was 3 years..one was a few months the other cancerous at the injection..considering alot of vets dont do the vaccine infront of you anymore how do you know where the vaccine was located? how can you remember the exact pin spot where it was that caused the cancer

as anyone looked at the number of pets that have no problems with current status of "over vaccinating"

sigh..of course i dont get them yearly but im not a dog im not eating pooh off the ground..im not bitting my feet, liking other animals etc..i take a bath and wash my hands...as a human i have more options to care for my self where a dog would be more in danger in my opinion

But, you most likely have been exposed to those diseases since your childhood vaccinations and didn't come down with one of those diseases after your exposure. When you are immune, you are just that - immune, you won't get the disease because of your immunity, not because you wash your hands, or take a bath.

the dog had a pancake size cancer at the injection site as the vet wrote down the injection site and owner asked. Could be coincidence?

Why are more dogs getting illnesses these days than years ago or is that not the case?

it could be a blame game I don't know still trying to figure it all out and maybe after years of not overvaccinating we will know if dogs stop getting all these illnesses that are coming up.

I think ultimately we have to have someone we trust with our pets health care and i happen to trust dr dodds. You trust your vet and both have worked for us which is good. No one should do anything they are not 100% comfortable with and each owner should do their homework to be the best advocate for their dog.

I would be very concerned if a vet removed my animal from the room to vaccinate... there is almost nothing in a regular visit that the animal should be removed from the room for. People need to learn to speak up for themselves, anytime the vet asks to remove their animal from the room they need to ask WHY the procedure cant be done in the room.

Vaccination Reactions are very common... every owner should know the EXACT spot of the vaccine so they can keep an eye on it after.

whoa scary wish you could find that -surprised no

there is no malpractice in vet profession as dogs are treated as property so most you can do is go to small claims court and take it up there BUT if you do this you are going to be black balled by the vet profession in your area sadly as they all protect one another it seems. My friends dog almost died of ivermectin toxicity due to a derm giving ketaconazole and ivermectin together which is deadly. Derm admitted mistake but my friend was still out 3k and she was afraid to go to small claims court against this person. She was scared her dog would not get vet care if this happened.