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Wylie's Mom 05-11-2010 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3124145)
lol ann i had to laugh at this as brought dh with me on that incident i referred to and was still bullied lolll and dh said what the heck he is the professional lollllll
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3124150)
lol because they do not read it lolllll
Ugh...it makes me so mad :mad:! Giving minimal vaccines is so important and it just makes me *nuts* that vets are still overvaccinating.

Maximo 05-11-2010 09:33 AM
I had to switch vets because our first one insisted on giving everything under the sun, despite the fact that my dogs are groomed at home, never boarded, and not really out in the wild.

Our new vet agrees that my dogs are low risk and need only the minimum on vaccs. Max had his 3-year rabies last month and today we go in for our parvo/distemper. Wish us luck!

dwerten 05-11-2010 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3124153)
A lot of vets require annual shots to hospitalize. Very sad...
But even if this is the policy, some vets will make exceptions for certain pups.
Ellie's vet just told me if anybody gives me a problem, have them talk to her. It's enough work to get some of these vets to alter the schedule. No need to fight the office staff too!

BTW, I'm young also. I have a huge amount of respect for Ellie's vet, but that is returned to me. Some vets, yes, you can't question because they "are the professional." But really, maybe there is a better vet out there then?
I agree but what i have found is it is hard to find in some areas:( and easier said than done.

I have one that is more natural and one that has a phd from ucdavis and i deal with a dentist, dermatologist, internal medicine specialist, and dr jean dodds. The one that is more natural is always booked solid so hard to get into in an emergency and she is not real up to date on alot of new medicines like atopica and why i had to find another one but her vaccine protocol is in line with jean. Then i have the ucdavis phd vet who is very sharp and did bats on dd as never heard of that but he is very much in line with aggressive approach in terms of medications which makes me nervous. Still hoping to find one with the best of both but until then work with specialists and work with who is best for the situation at hand and until then i learn, learn, learn lolllll

dwerten 05-11-2010 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3124156)
Ugh...it makes me so mad :mad:! Giving minimal vaccines is so important and it just makes me *nuts* that vets are still overvaccinating.
I feel your pain and so glad this is one area I have never been bullied into as i seeked out jean dodds when the whole mvd issue came up and dd kept losing her hair and they refused to run blood work for thyroid so i drove to jean and i was right :( I am so glad i did that as that could have been another disaster with low thyroid. They felt her thyroid was fine a year prior so why retest but her hair was coming out in clumps when i brushed her and they kept saying it was steroid use and allergies :( It wasn't it was her thyroid had dropped in half in one year - so glad i found jean before they needed more vaccinations she is a true God send to me and my gang

check out the neck - they kept saying cannot be thyroid it is on the back only lumbar region. I said i guess she did not read the text book then

and second pic is after she was on soloxine glad i did my homework and found jean

XcessiveAngel 05-11-2010 09:59 AM
Stupid question I guess
 
Okay so Henesey is my first Yorkie! My vet says it is a must to get her like 6 different vac's! I only want to do what best for her so if one of you dont mind explaining this to me Henesey and I would GREATLY APPRICIATE it! Shes my world and I dont want anything to happen to her! My husband has a boxer/ pit mix and he only gets her a rabies shot every 3 years but I thought it was different for small dogs! Henesey seems so fragile and im very OVER PROTECTIVE we spend $60 a month on food cause our vet said its best for her! She just turned one and already ive spend at least $2000 on her between vet food and spoiling her..... Money isnt the issue but I dont want her to get sick or nothing! So please some one HELP me to understand whats best for them!:confused:

Ellie May 05-11-2010 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by XcessiveAngel (Post 3124196)
Okay so Henesey is my first Yorkie! My vet says it is a must to get her like 6 different vac's! I only want to do what best for her so if one of you dont mind explaining this to me Henesey and I would GREATLY APPRICIATE it! Shes my world and I dont want anything to happen to her! My husband has a boxer/ pit mix and he only gets her a rabies shot every 3 years but I thought it was different for small dogs! Henesey seems so fragile and im very OVER PROTECTIVE we spend $60 a month on food cause our vet said its best for her! She just turned one and already ive spend at least $2000 on her between vet food and spoiling her..... Money isnt the issue but I dont want her to get sick or nothing! So please some one HELP me to understand whats best for them!:confused:
Is she on rx food for a particular reason?
There is a vaccine thread in the YT Library.
That a good place to start. :)

DHPP is necessary for all dogs who can tolerate it, but definitely not yearly.

MomofSkye 05-11-2010 10:05 AM
I haven't read up on everything yet I need to my Labs are due for Heart Worm,Yearly checkup and now that we have Yorkies, I don't want to do anything to hurt them(as why i'm doing my homework on food to as i'm changing ALL there food.)

My 2 younger ones had there at 6weeks and the 11week old just had her first set so there "due"(by vet) at the end of the month what should they get? My vet is pretty good about listing to me i've been using him since 2001 we haven't talked about this yet as i'm new to this. I thought they "HAD" to have these shots.


Thanks for the advice

XcessiveAngel 05-11-2010 10:23 AM
not really. The vet said the food is best for her. Said its because of her teeth and that it will help keep them healthy! She just turned one last month and she really doesnt have anything wrong with her teeth. I brush them once a week as told by my vet and she has pearly whites I just never had a reason to daught her so i did as told but now im questioning it all and I really just want her to be healthy and happy. She didnt really take to the food at first but now she eats it fine, so i dont know what to do now!


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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3124199)
Is she on rx food for a particular reason?
There is a vaccine thread in the YT Library.
That a good place to start. :)

DHPP is necessary for all dogs who can tolerate it, but definitely not yearly.

Ellie May 05-11-2010 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by XcessiveAngel (Post 3124232)
not really. The vet said the food is best for her. Said its because of her teeth and that it will help keep them healthy! She just turned one last month and she really doesnt have anything wrong with her teeth. I brush them once a week as told by my vet and she has pearly whites I just never had a reason to daught her so i did as told but now im questioning it all and I really just want her to be healthy and happy. She didnt really take to the food at first but now she eats it fine, so i dont know what to do now!
Is this Science Diet T/D by chance?
By the way, teeth should be brushed 3-4 times a week minimum, but preferably 1-2 times daily.

XcessiveAngel 05-11-2010 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3124237)
Is this Science Diet T/D by chance?
By the way, teeth should be brushed 3-4 times a week minimum, but preferably 1-2 times daily.

no it royal something I'll look at it when i get off work and let you know! I had no Idea I should brush her teeth that much. I will start doing it after she eats! or should i do it before? Im so confused. I did research for a year before I got her and my vet seems to be giving me the wrong information! I will be doing more research myself and less listening to my vet. What about her hair? The vet said it was okay to use shampoo with out conditioner but i always use conditioner because her hair gets tangle easy if i dont! What type do you all use?

Ellie May 05-11-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by XcessiveAngel (Post 3124254)
no it royal something I'll look at it when i get off work and let you know! I had no Idea I should brush her teeth that much. I will start doing it after she eats! or should i do it before? Im so confused. I did research for a year before I got her and my vet seems to be giving me the wrong information! I will be doing more research myself and less listening to my vet. What about her hair? The vet said it was okay to use shampoo with out conditioner but i always use conditioner because her hair gets tangle easy if i dont! What type do you all use?
Not saying not to feed it. It is just not normal protocol to do so with healthy teeth. She's probably trying to prevent a problem, but with an rx food? I don't know about that... No idea why she said brush once a week. It takes plaque 72 hours to start calcifying (I think it is???), so you never want to go longer than that. Michigan State University likes twice daily brushing. Ellie's vet is happy with once a day.

Shampoo needs to be designed for dogs. They require a different pH. You will get lots of suggestions in the grooming section.

XcessiveAngel 05-11-2010 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3124260)
Not saying not to feed it. It is just not normal protocol to do so with healthy teeth. She's probably trying to prevent a problem, but with an rx food? I don't know about that... No idea why she said brush once a week. It takes plaque 72 hours to start calcifying (I think it is???), so you never want to go longer than that. Michigan State University likes twice daily brushing. Ellie's vet is happy with once a day.

Shampoo needs to be designed for dogs. They require a different pH. You will get lots of suggestions in the grooming section.

Okay thats good to know! My husband just called and I asked him to look at the food its royal canine for yorkies. he says it cost alot because of the amount of food we buy. Henesey and her mate live in the same home My friend owns him so I buy the big bag twice a month. I will defenitly be brushing her teeth twice a day from now on and im going to make a thread in grooming to find out more on that two thank you so much for your help. My husband and I are thinking we need a new vet!!!

Ellie May 05-11-2010 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by XcessiveAngel (Post 3124278)
Okay thats good to know! My husband just called and I asked him to look at the food its royal canine for yorkies. he says it cost alot because of the amount of food we buy. Henesey and her mate live in the same home My friend owns him so I buy the big bag twice a month. I will defenitly be brushing her teeth twice a day from now on and im going to make a thread in grooming to find out more on that two thank you so much for your help. My husband and I are thinking we need a new vet!!!
That is a common food for Yorkies. It isn't one specifically made for teeth. Your vet probably just wants you to feed kibble instead of canned. No reason to switch if it is working, but there are a lot of other foods out there that are just as good or better and they do not cost that much. RC is pretty expensive.

XcessiveAngel 05-11-2010 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3124282)
That is a common food for Yorkies. It isn't one specifically made for teeth. Your vet probably just wants you to feed kibble instead of canned. No reason to switch if it is working, but there are a lot of other foods out there that are just as good or better and they do not cost that much. RC is pretty expensive.

The moneys not the problem I just want her healthy but I will research on the food thank you so much I have learned alot today!

Ellie May 05-11-2010 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by XcessiveAngel (Post 3124289)
The moneys not the problem I just want her healthy but I will research on the food thank you so much I have learned alot today!
Well, if you want an opinion then, there are better foods out there. :)

dwerten 05-11-2010 12:05 PM
just wanted to add since talking about teeth

NO DENTAL VACCINES EVER - alot of side effects and it is new and we do not get dental vaccines so our dogs do not need them either - JUST SAY NO lolll

also if your dog has had a reaction to a vaccine remember each vaccine reaction thereafter is WORSE so please think long and hard and do alot of research before doing the next one

Also it says on the vaccine FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY so if your dog has health issues PLEASE do your homework even more and make sure your dog really needs it as you may encounter more health issues :(

XcessiveAngel 05-11-2010 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3124363)
just wanted to add since talking about teeth

NO DENTAL VACCINES EVER - alot of side effects and it is new and we do not get dental vaccines so our dogs do not need them either - JUST SAY NO lolll

also if your dog has had a reaction to a vaccine remember each vaccine reaction thereafter is WORSE so please think long and hard and do alot of research before doing the next one

Also it says on the vaccine FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY so if your dog has health issues PLEASE do your homework even more and make sure your dog really needs it as you may encounter more health issues :(


Well my vet had mentioned something about the dental vac. But when i talked with my husband he said a big hell no he said it not common to do it and that her teeth are fine. We even argued about it! I guess I owe him for not letting the vet do it! Im changing vets asap! Thanks

Ringo1 05-11-2010 02:35 PM
What if you have higher risk dogs? I see grooming at home and not being boarded mentioned.

Both my yorkie and my Westie go to a busy groomer's AND they board when we travel.

Sometimes only for a week-end - but they do board.

Does this make a difference?

Judy in Waco 05-11-2010 02:39 PM
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but local laws often require some vaccines more frequently than recommended. For example, in our town, rabies is required yearly because we're a "high risk" area. There is a large fine if your dog is found to be out of compliance.

I risk it, but others might not.

dwerten 05-11-2010 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by XcessiveAngel (Post 3124382)
Well my vet had mentioned something about the dental vac. But when i talked with my husband he said a big hell no he said it not common to do it and that her teeth are fine. We even argued about it! I guess I owe him for not letting the vet do it! Im changing vets asap! Thanks
yeah i went to two bc dentist and the one told me she had a dog go lame in the leg and it was a big dog too. She called the vaccine company and they stated yes that can happen as all vaccines can have side effects just like all medications can as well. She still felt my demi needed it so i went to another bc dentist that i see now for that main reason. She scared me. I had already done my homework and it was a test to see if we were on the same page for the care of my dog. She failed and i moved on.

dwerten 05-11-2010 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Judy in Waco (Post 3124560)
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but local laws often require some vaccines more frequently than recommended. For example, in our town, rabies is required yearly because we're a "high risk" area. There is a large fine if your dog is found to be out of compliance.

I risk it, but others might not.
this is true rabies is required depending on the county you live in and some are still yearly. I had heard Texas still had some counties requiring this. Is there anything you can do to try to get that changed for your county? I know there is a rabies challenge going on to try to change things to 5 years then 7 years.

laci32 05-11-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3123955)
A couple of us are just kinda wondering, for those who still vaccinate annually, is there a particular reason why?

Is it that you're comfortable with it?
Vet insists?
Don't want to question vet?
Aren't convinced that they cause harm?
Research too confusing (you're not alone!)?

The poll in the "polls" section seems to be saying that 50% of YT'ers are still doing these things annually. But then the AAHA says totally unnecessary, so is it the AAHA that people aren't trusting?
For me it's because all of Andy's shots have to be up to date in order to cross the border

Judy in Waco 05-11-2010 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3124572)
this is true rabies is required depending on the county you live in and some are still yearly. I had heard Texas still had some counties requiring this. Is there anything you can do to try to get that changed for your county? I know there is a rabies challenge going on to try to change things to 5 years then 7 years.
My vet is involved in the effort, so I'll research it some more. :thumbup:

ltret0294 05-11-2010 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3123996)
I am glad you posted this as it is SCARY to me that this is polling out this way

I joined the gme group and reading about this more after rorie incident and seems alot of dogs are getting this after vaccinations :( It is not a direct cause but since gme can be disease or autoimmune related they are tying the two together. On the group today they stated that when the annual vaccine cards go out this time of year they have alot people join the group regarding gme shortly after :(

they also stated they are seeing it mostly in yorkies and maltese breed :(

Dr Sisson is the expert on GME so they are forwarding his paper for me to read as well and he said the protocol that he recommends is one year booster then only rabies every 3 years there after and he believes the dog has immunity for 10 years after that one year booster for dhpp also he said no real reason to titer as even a low titered dog can have immunity
What is GME? Makes me think about upcomings vacs for the kids sept, oct and jan. Titer them?
Bob

dwerten 05-11-2010 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ltret0294 (Post 3124648)
What is GME? Makes me think about upcomings vacs for the kids sept, oct and jan. Titer them?
Bob
Granulomatous Meningoencephalomyelitis (GME)

the dog can go into remission after a year with chemo and steroid therapy. They do both then wean back steroids then wean back the chemo and hope within a year the dog goes into remission. My friends dog has it and i called her last night and this is what she told me. Her dog had partial paralysis, circled, head pressed and had seizures. She has been dealing with it since November. It happened a couple months after vaccinations

ltret0294 05-11-2010 04:04 PM
Thanks for the link. Should I ask our Vet re titering or just take Dr Dodds protocol with me if he wants to do the whole vac routine.

Ellie May 05-11-2010 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ringo1 (Post 3124550)
What if you have higher risk dogs? I see grooming at home and not being boarded mentioned.

Both my yorkie and my Westie go to a busy groomer's AND they board when we travel.

Sometimes only for a week-end - but they do board.

Does this make a difference?
I don't want to go with the short answer here because there are always exceptions to the rule, but if we are talking about DHP, then the answer is no, you do not need to do it yearly (high risk or not). Puppy shots, one year booster, and then every three years is a very acceptable schedule. You can do them less (after one year booster), but that gets a bit controversial and I'm not going to tell people that's what they should do. This goes for modified live vaccines (DHP). Bordatella nd rabies are different cases entirely. You will need to get bordatella every 6-12 months if you believe it is needed for your dogs. This every three year rule also does not apply to lepto, lymes, or the rest of the list.

dwerten 05-11-2010 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ltret0294 (Post 3124664)
Thanks for the link. Should I ask our Vet re titering or just take Dr Dodds protocol with me if he wants to do the whole vac routine.
i would take the info to vet and discuss and decide what you are comfortable with for your dog. Just read up and learn so you feel comfortable for your area you live in.

ltret0294 05-11-2010 04:16 PM
Thanks. FL can be difficult. H/W, fleas, ticks amoung other issues year round so I really do not want to over vac. I take the pups to a fairly busy groomer but they are not boarded and stay home and a friends stays house and pup sits when we travel so is bordatella still a good call?

dwerten 05-11-2010 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ltret0294 (Post 3124672)
Thanks. FL can be difficult. H/W, fleas, ticks amoung other issues year round so I really do not want to over vac. I take the pups to a fairly busy groomer but they are not boarded and stay home and a friends stays house and pup sits when we travel so is bordatella still a good call?
that is a controversial one. I personally do not do it anymore, but i do not take mine to groomer nor do i board them. I have a groomer come to my home. Some believe it is easy to treat kennel cough if you catch it so they opt not to do it. It also does not cover all strains. My parents dog became very ill after bordatella vaccine injection and ended up with a viral infection so i am not a fan of injection as it is stronger and lasts for a year whereas nasal lasts only 6 months. I have read of some having problems with nasal passage after getting intranasal as well so it is a tough call. I never had a problem with the intranasal in my dogs and they have all had it in the past but i do not do it any longer.


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