Annual Vaccinactions - why are some still doing them? - Page 22 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Ellie May · 06-10-2010, 03:25 PM

The place where Ellie was overvaccinated was an AAHA vet.
Some are more likely to follow that protocol though.

She goes to an AAHA vet office now that does them every three, but there is lots of room for the clients and vets to change that schedule.

A good number of vets here require vaccines for boarding...possilby even annually.

dwerten · 06-10-2010, 05:37 PM

ok here is jean's response

Deb: Yes, so I’ll explain. Some manufacturers claim that they add some extra antigenic mass in the 3 –yr product – BUT, in fact the label specification is intended for legal documentation purposes. Because, puppies must have two doses of vaccine within a year to complete the protocol as required by law. So, the veterinarian gives a rabies vaccine labeled one year initially, and thus the client record indicates that only the first of two doses was given, as it legally expires in a year. Then when the puppy is due for his/her second dose, a 3 –yr product is given because the 3rd dose would be due three years from now.

If by accident, the veterinarian’s chart shows that a 1-yr labeled product was given for the second dose , in error, then legally it would expire a year later. This has happened and led to lawsuits and pet quarantine and even confiscation and euthanasia because the product was legally expired – though medically equivalent.

Armani Alexis · 06-12-2010, 05:33 PM

Tomorrow is our annual visit and I have been reading this thread and doing LOTS of research for the last ten days. I was particularly interested in this because last year when Armani had her annual vaccinations she had an extremely adverse reaction. I am so grateful for the information shared in this thread. Our vet is wonderful and I had a consultation with her today. We have decided to proceed with titers test tomorrow...wish us well. Thanks for sharing everyone!

dwerten · 06-12-2010, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armani Alexis

Tomorrow is our annual visit and I have been reading this thread and doing LOTS of research for the last ten days. I was particularly interested in this because last year when Armani had her annual vaccinations she had an extremely adverse reaction. I am so grateful for the information shared in this thread. Our vet is wonderful and I had a consultation with her today. We have decided to proceed with titers test tomorrow...wish us well. Thanks for sharing everyone!

great choice as dogs with adverse reactions prior the next one can be much worse - I am sure all will be ok. Usually i do the titers with a full blood panel to make sure they are all healthy each year

That way just one blood draw for the year.

Armani Alexis · 06-12-2010, 06:53 PM

Yes, we are going to do a full blood panel. I saw in an earlier post where you had indicated that "dogs with adverse reactions prior the next one can be much worse". Honestly, I can not even imagine a worse reaction, the last two were scary enough. She get rabies on a different cycle and she had a pretty bad reaction to that as well and she gets pretreated with Benadryl. All the Benadryl does is slows down the reaction, it did not prevent it. Additionally, Armani has allergies so when you put all of that together I was very concerned about annual vaccinations.

Ellie May · 06-13-2010, 04:39 AM

When reactions are that severe, it is usually best to skip entirely. Depends on the situation, but everytime they are given you pup's life is in danger.

What was the reaction though? Lethargy, etc.? or did it turn into shock?

Hoping the titer is high so you don't have to worry about it.

Yes, reactions can be worse the more it happens...

dwerten · 06-13-2010, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armani Alexis

Yes, we are going to do a full blood panel. I saw in an earlier post where you had indicated that "dogs with adverse reactions prior the next one can be much worse". Honestly, I can not even imagine a worse reaction, the last two were scary enough. She get rabies on a different cycle and she had a pretty bad reaction to that as well and she gets pretreated with Benadryl. All the Benadryl does is slows down the reaction, it did not prevent it. Additionally, Armani has allergies so when you put all of that together I was very concerned about annual vaccinations.

dogs with health issues you should really think long and hard and talk to vet about vaccinating. Allergies is a health issue it is an autoimmune disease so why your dog is reacting so much as her immune system is compromised. Can you get a health waiver for her? Are you doing every 3 years with rabies? Even if titer came in low with dhpp I would not vaccinate again if she has had the one year booster

GAOMariposa · 06-13-2010, 03:25 PM

I talked to another vet about annual vaccinations and she said titers are a good idea. She said that I should do all of the vaccines 2 times (for 2 years) to make sure she's really protected and then do titers after that. So this year, my baby is only getting the rabies because it's required to come into the U.S. and back into Mexico. I asked the people who control animals coming into Mexico and they said the 3 year rabies isn't accepted. The doggie has to have the yearly one, something I hate having to do. I'm going to double check with my vet here in Mexico. But it really makes me mad that they aren't accepting the 3 year. That would be less stress to my baby.

Armani Alexis · 06-15-2010, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

When reactions are that severe, it is usually best to skip entirely. Depends on the situation, but everytime they are given you pup's life is in danger.

What was the reaction though? Lethargy, etc.? or did it turn into shock?

Hoping the titer is high so you don't have to worry about it.

Yes, reactions can be worse the more it happens...

When Armani had her annual vaccinations last year she was vomiting and experiencing muscle spasms 1½ hours afterwards. When she had her rabies shot last year, she once again experienced muscle spasms. When she had her vaccinations as a puppy she did not have any reactions at all.

Thanks for the well wishes on the titer.

Armani Alexis · 06-15-2010, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten

dogs with health issues you should really think long and hard and talk to vet about vaccinating. Allergies is a health issue it is an autoimmune disease so why your dog is reacting so much as her immune system is compromised. Can you get a health waiver for her? Are you doing every 3 years with rabies? Even if titer came in low with dhpp I would not vaccinate again if she has had the one year booster

Armani had her one year booster last June. I strongly suspect that the vaccinations may have triggered the allergies because we did not have an allergy issue before vaccinating (even though it was months after the vaccination that she developed allergies). As for the rabies, I will revisit that with our vet. My concern there is lifestyle as Armani goes to doggie daycare and travels on airplanes a bit. We are on the three year rabies cycle so it is not an immediate issue.

dwerten · 06-15-2010, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armani Alexis

Armani had her one year booster last June. I strongly suspect that the vaccinations may have triggered the allergies because we did not have an allergy issue before vaccinating (even though it was months after the vaccination that she developed allergies). As for the rabies, I will revisit that with our vet. My concern there is lifestyle as Armani goes to doggie daycare and travels on airplanes a bit. We are on the three year rabies cycle so it is not an immediate issue.

Yeah dee dee never itched until after her 6 month shots then all heck broke loose

judyp515 · 06-15-2010, 06:43 PM

The only reason we vaccinate our dogs is because we do have to kennel them at times and the vaccinations have to be kept up or they will not allow them in the kennel. Some states allow rabies every 3 years but the state we now live in require a yearly vaccine which I hate.

DvlshAngel985 · 06-15-2010, 07:11 PM

Please excuse me if this is a really stupid question, or if it was already answered in this thread, but who is Dr Dodd? I consider myself to be fairly new to yorkies, being a first time owner for less than a year. I understand the training and behavior part because I "trained" shelter dogs where I volunteer. But, vaccine protocol and all of that mediciney stuff is still very new to me. Kaji will be due for his boosters come Aug, and I want to do what is best for him.

Also, Kaji and I cross the border to TJ to visit family very often, will that make a difference as to what he needs to have?

dwerten · 06-15-2010, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

Please excuse me if this is a really stupid question, or if it was already answered in this thread, but who is Dr Dodd? I consider myself to be fairly new to yorkies, being a first time owner for less than a year. I understand the training and behavior part because I "trained" shelter dogs where I volunteer. But, vaccine protocol and all of that mediciney stuff is still very new to me. Kaji will be due for his boosters come Aug, and I want to do what is best for him.

Also, Kaji and I cross the border to TJ to visit family very often, will that make a difference as to what he needs to have?

Hemopet/Hemolife, HEMOPET a full animal blood bank, Diagnostic Laboratory, Adoption and Consultation

she is in garden grove not far from you either

by knotts berry farm

http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/DODDS-RESUME.HTM

DvlshAngel985 · 06-15-2010, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwerten

Hemopet/Hemolife, HEMOPET a full animal blood bank, Diagnostic Laboratory, Adoption and Consultation

she is in garden grove not far from you either

by knotts berry farm

DODDS-RESUME

So Dr Dodd is a homeopathic vet?

06-10-2010, 03:25 PM	#316
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	The place where Ellie was overvaccinated was an AAHA vet. Some are more likely to follow that protocol though. She goes to an AAHA vet office now that does them every three, but there is lots of room for the clients and vets to change that schedule. A good number of vets here require vaccines for boarding...possilby even annually. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

06-12-2010, 05:33 PM	#318
Armani Alexis My Sweet Cupcake Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New York Posts: 4,390	Tomorrow is our annual visit and I have been reading this thread and doing LOTS of research for the last ten days. I was particularly interested in this because last year when Armani had her annual vaccinations she had an extremely adverse reaction. I am so grateful for the information shared in this thread. Our vet is wonderful and I had a consultation with her today. We have decided to proceed with titers test tomorrow...wish us well. Thanks for sharing everyone! __________________ pam & armani the more you celebrate your life ~ the more there is in life to celebrate until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened

06-12-2010, 06:53 PM	#320
Armani Alexis My Sweet Cupcake Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New York Posts: 4,390	Yes, we are going to do a full blood panel. I saw in an earlier post where you had indicated that "dogs with adverse reactions prior the next one can be much worse". Honestly, I can not even imagine a worse reaction, the last two were scary enough. She get rabies on a different cycle and she had a pretty bad reaction to that as well and she gets pretreated with Benadryl. All the Benadryl does is slows down the reaction, it did not prevent it. Additionally, Armani has allergies so when you put all of that together I was very concerned about annual vaccinations. __________________ pam & armani the more you celebrate your life ~ the more there is in life to celebrate until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened

06-13-2010, 04:39 AM	#321
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	When reactions are that severe, it is usually best to skip entirely. Depends on the situation, but everytime they are given you pup's life is in danger. What was the reaction though? Lethargy, etc.? or did it turn into shock? Hoping the titer is high so you don't have to worry about it. Yes, reactions can be worse the more it happens... __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

06-13-2010, 03:25 PM	#323
GAOMariposa YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Posts: 581	I talked to another vet about annual vaccinations and she said titers are a good idea. She said that I should do all of the vaccines 2 times (for 2 years) to make sure she's really protected and then do titers after that. So this year, my baby is only getting the rabies because it's required to come into the U.S. and back into Mexico. I asked the people who control animals coming into Mexico and they said the 3 year rabies isn't accepted. The doggie has to have the yearly one, something I hate having to do. I'm going to double check with my vet here in Mexico. But it really makes me mad that they aren't accepting the 3 year. That would be less stress to my baby. __________________ Mommy to Itzel Mirai and new mommy to Olivia Ilse. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2041766&id=28002407&l=fe7f758320

06-10-2010, 05:37 PM	#317
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	ok here is jean's response Deb: Yes, so I’ll explain. Some manufacturers claim that they add some extra antigenic mass in the 3 –yr product – BUT, in fact the label specification is intended for legal documentation purposes. Because, puppies must have two doses of vaccine within a year to complete the protocol as required by law. So, the veterinarian gives a rabies vaccine labeled one year initially, and thus the client record indicates that only the first of two doses was given, as it legally expires in a year. Then when the puppy is due for his/her second dose, a 3 –yr product is given because the 3rd dose would be due three years from now. If by accident, the veterinarian’s chart shows that a 1-yr labeled product was given for the second dose , in error, then legally it would expire a year later. This has happened and led to lawsuits and pet quarantine and even confiscation and euthanasia because the product was legally expired – though medically equivalent.

06-15-2010, 06:43 PM	#327
judyp515 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain Home, AR Posts: 90	The only reason we vaccinate our dogs is because we do have to kennel them at times and the vaccinations have to be kept up or they will not allow them in the kennel. Some states allow rabies every 3 years but the state we now live in require a yearly vaccine which I hate. __________________

06-15-2010, 07:11 PM	#328
DvlshAngel985 Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, California, USA Posts: 12,693	Please excuse me if this is a really stupid question, or if it was already answered in this thread, but who is Dr Dodd? I consider myself to be fairly new to yorkies, being a first time owner for less than a year. I understand the training and behavior part because I "trained" shelter dogs where I volunteer. But, vaccine protocol and all of that mediciney stuff is still very new to me. Kaji will be due for his boosters come Aug, and I want to do what is best for him. Also, Kaji and I cross the border to TJ to visit family very often, will that make a difference as to what he needs to have? __________________ Littlest JakJak We miss you Kaji