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dwerten 05-11-2010 12:05 PM
just wanted to add since talking about teeth

NO DENTAL VACCINES EVER - alot of side effects and it is new and we do not get dental vaccines so our dogs do not need them either - JUST SAY NO lolll

also if your dog has had a reaction to a vaccine remember each vaccine reaction thereafter is WORSE so please think long and hard and do alot of research before doing the next one

Also it says on the vaccine FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY so if your dog has health issues PLEASE do your homework even more and make sure your dog really needs it as you may encounter more health issues :(

XcessiveAngel 05-11-2010 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3124363)
just wanted to add since talking about teeth

NO DENTAL VACCINES EVER - alot of side effects and it is new and we do not get dental vaccines so our dogs do not need them either - JUST SAY NO lolll

also if your dog has had a reaction to a vaccine remember each vaccine reaction thereafter is WORSE so please think long and hard and do alot of research before doing the next one

Also it says on the vaccine FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY so if your dog has health issues PLEASE do your homework even more and make sure your dog really needs it as you may encounter more health issues :(


Well my vet had mentioned something about the dental vac. But when i talked with my husband he said a big hell no he said it not common to do it and that her teeth are fine. We even argued about it! I guess I owe him for not letting the vet do it! Im changing vets asap! Thanks

Ringo1 05-11-2010 02:35 PM
What if you have higher risk dogs? I see grooming at home and not being boarded mentioned.

Both my yorkie and my Westie go to a busy groomer's AND they board when we travel.

Sometimes only for a week-end - but they do board.

Does this make a difference?

Judy in Waco 05-11-2010 02:39 PM
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but local laws often require some vaccines more frequently than recommended. For example, in our town, rabies is required yearly because we're a "high risk" area. There is a large fine if your dog is found to be out of compliance.

I risk it, but others might not.

dwerten 05-11-2010 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by XcessiveAngel (Post 3124382)
Well my vet had mentioned something about the dental vac. But when i talked with my husband he said a big hell no he said it not common to do it and that her teeth are fine. We even argued about it! I guess I owe him for not letting the vet do it! Im changing vets asap! Thanks
yeah i went to two bc dentist and the one told me she had a dog go lame in the leg and it was a big dog too. She called the vaccine company and they stated yes that can happen as all vaccines can have side effects just like all medications can as well. She still felt my demi needed it so i went to another bc dentist that i see now for that main reason. She scared me. I had already done my homework and it was a test to see if we were on the same page for the care of my dog. She failed and i moved on.

dwerten 05-11-2010 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Judy in Waco (Post 3124560)
I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned it, but local laws often require some vaccines more frequently than recommended. For example, in our town, rabies is required yearly because we're a "high risk" area. There is a large fine if your dog is found to be out of compliance.

I risk it, but others might not.
this is true rabies is required depending on the county you live in and some are still yearly. I had heard Texas still had some counties requiring this. Is there anything you can do to try to get that changed for your county? I know there is a rabies challenge going on to try to change things to 5 years then 7 years.

laci32 05-11-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3123955)
A couple of us are just kinda wondering, for those who still vaccinate annually, is there a particular reason why?

Is it that you're comfortable with it?
Vet insists?
Don't want to question vet?
Aren't convinced that they cause harm?
Research too confusing (you're not alone!)?

The poll in the "polls" section seems to be saying that 50% of YT'ers are still doing these things annually. But then the AAHA says totally unnecessary, so is it the AAHA that people aren't trusting?
For me it's because all of Andy's shots have to be up to date in order to cross the border

Judy in Waco 05-11-2010 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3124572)
this is true rabies is required depending on the county you live in and some are still yearly. I had heard Texas still had some counties requiring this. Is there anything you can do to try to get that changed for your county? I know there is a rabies challenge going on to try to change things to 5 years then 7 years.
My vet is involved in the effort, so I'll research it some more. :thumbup:

ltret0294 05-11-2010 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3123996)
I am glad you posted this as it is SCARY to me that this is polling out this way

I joined the gme group and reading about this more after rorie incident and seems alot of dogs are getting this after vaccinations :( It is not a direct cause but since gme can be disease or autoimmune related they are tying the two together. On the group today they stated that when the annual vaccine cards go out this time of year they have alot people join the group regarding gme shortly after :(

they also stated they are seeing it mostly in yorkies and maltese breed :(

Dr Sisson is the expert on GME so they are forwarding his paper for me to read as well and he said the protocol that he recommends is one year booster then only rabies every 3 years there after and he believes the dog has immunity for 10 years after that one year booster for dhpp also he said no real reason to titer as even a low titered dog can have immunity
What is GME? Makes me think about upcomings vacs for the kids sept, oct and jan. Titer them?
Bob

dwerten 05-11-2010 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ltret0294 (Post 3124648)
What is GME? Makes me think about upcomings vacs for the kids sept, oct and jan. Titer them?
Bob
Granulomatous Meningoencephalomyelitis (GME)

the dog can go into remission after a year with chemo and steroid therapy. They do both then wean back steroids then wean back the chemo and hope within a year the dog goes into remission. My friends dog has it and i called her last night and this is what she told me. Her dog had partial paralysis, circled, head pressed and had seizures. She has been dealing with it since November. It happened a couple months after vaccinations

ltret0294 05-11-2010 04:04 PM
Thanks for the link. Should I ask our Vet re titering or just take Dr Dodds protocol with me if he wants to do the whole vac routine.

Ellie May 05-11-2010 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ringo1 (Post 3124550)
What if you have higher risk dogs? I see grooming at home and not being boarded mentioned.

Both my yorkie and my Westie go to a busy groomer's AND they board when we travel.

Sometimes only for a week-end - but they do board.

Does this make a difference?
I don't want to go with the short answer here because there are always exceptions to the rule, but if we are talking about DHP, then the answer is no, you do not need to do it yearly (high risk or not). Puppy shots, one year booster, and then every three years is a very acceptable schedule. You can do them less (after one year booster), but that gets a bit controversial and I'm not going to tell people that's what they should do. This goes for modified live vaccines (DHP). Bordatella nd rabies are different cases entirely. You will need to get bordatella every 6-12 months if you believe it is needed for your dogs. This every three year rule also does not apply to lepto, lymes, or the rest of the list.

dwerten 05-11-2010 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ltret0294 (Post 3124664)
Thanks for the link. Should I ask our Vet re titering or just take Dr Dodds protocol with me if he wants to do the whole vac routine.
i would take the info to vet and discuss and decide what you are comfortable with for your dog. Just read up and learn so you feel comfortable for your area you live in.

ltret0294 05-11-2010 04:16 PM
Thanks. FL can be difficult. H/W, fleas, ticks amoung other issues year round so I really do not want to over vac. I take the pups to a fairly busy groomer but they are not boarded and stay home and a friends stays house and pup sits when we travel so is bordatella still a good call?

dwerten 05-11-2010 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ltret0294 (Post 3124672)
Thanks. FL can be difficult. H/W, fleas, ticks amoung other issues year round so I really do not want to over vac. I take the pups to a fairly busy groomer but they are not boarded and stay home and a friends stays house and pup sits when we travel so is bordatella still a good call?
that is a controversial one. I personally do not do it anymore, but i do not take mine to groomer nor do i board them. I have a groomer come to my home. Some believe it is easy to treat kennel cough if you catch it so they opt not to do it. It also does not cover all strains. My parents dog became very ill after bordatella vaccine injection and ended up with a viral infection so i am not a fan of injection as it is stronger and lasts for a year whereas nasal lasts only 6 months. I have read of some having problems with nasal passage after getting intranasal as well so it is a tough call. I never had a problem with the intranasal in my dogs and they have all had it in the past but i do not do it any longer.


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