Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 3125372)

This subject is a huge pet peeve of mine……I started looking into this about two years ago and I was shocked at the information that I found out about vets overvaccinating our pets. Dr. Dodds is not the only researcher fighting this, Dr Schultz is also….. Dr. B. Rogers and Dr. Pitcairn, Dr C. Loops and many, many, more vets are also voicing their objections to this practice. There are also many pet advocates trying to get the word out……This information is not new, many of these people who are vocal about this have been doing this for decades………

The three year recommendation is also too often for giving boosters. It was a *compromise* to appease the angry vets who are fearful of lost profits. Talk about ethical vets.....Shameful...... If you look at Dr. Dodds schedule she has no mention of boosters after the one year vaccines, this is also the same recommendation from all the other researchers. There is absolutely no scientific basis for boosters.

So you ask why are we still overvaccinating? We have allowed those in positions of authority to instill unnecessary fear in us; fear that if our animals are not religiously vaccinated, we are endangering their lives. Shame on all of us.

As a side note……..I was extremely surprised at the results of the poll regarding the use of combo vaccines. The use of combo vaccines is also not a recommended vaccine, they are not promoted by any researcher or advocate, yet most vets use them. This vaccine has many problems associated with its use……These are some of the problems with the use of combo vaccines…

*Their contents consist of a mixture of bacteria and viruses, several of which are not beneficial or needed.

*This powerful mixture overwhelms the immune system putting the dog at risks for developing chronic diseases, it also greatly increases the risks for adverse reactions.

*The components also compete with each other, which can result in neutralization or negation or can produce a poor antibody response.

*If your dog experiences a reaction to the combo shot, there is no way to determine which antigen caused the reaction and must be avoided in the future.

*If all this isn’t bad enough, the components are unnecessary for most adult dogs, the great majority of which have lifetime immunity to the important shots or have no need for other ingredients.

Combination shots are part of the unethical practice of over-vaccination of pets. They should have no place in your dog’s health care regimen. And vets who use them should have no place in your dog’s life. Please, speak up for the ones who can't......

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3125390)

well its a dang shame when they die of parvo because someone didnt prevent it

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3125414)

Do vaccines come from different companies and are there some safer than others?

Can they be contaminated and reported by lot number to vets like say a recall on vaccines?

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3125406)

check out my post below where i have titered for 5 plus years and a plumber came in to my home 2xs the week his puppy was in the vet for parvo. My dogs are fine. Every professional i called as i called ALOT loll told me do not worry they were vaccinated as puppies they will be fine - why? because they know once the puppy shots are done the dog is probably protected. They also told me at specialty hospital that parvo is EVERYWHERE. You can get it on you and bring it in to your home no matter where you live. My friends dog got parvo because she did not do puppy shots and took her dog hiking in the mountains and it was sad as she could not find a vet to take her and quarantine her but after running around all over finally found one and her dog lived.

The two examples are this puppy you stated and my friend is they did not have their puppy shots and the dogs need to have that to be protected. It is the dhpp after the one year booster that is in question on necessity

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3125403)

i believe in doing the booster at 6 9 12 and sometimes 15 weeks..and then once a year.i do believe in it..thats what has been taught for years..and im old school if it aint broke dont fix it... for me its not broke..

no i dont follow new researches at all..one day something is good for you the next its not...i do what i know works for us...

Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3125397)

I think the answer is both, Deb. And, not only are the vets making $$ from both, when a pet dies at what I consider too early an age (possibly bc of the over vaccinating and trash food vets promote), the vets are assured when you get another puppy, the cycle of profit continues for them.

Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 3125420)

Just a side note......Dr. Dodds believes that 100% of the pups that contract parvo picked it up at the vets office........

Tell me this, if one of your pups was diagnosed later in life with thyroid disease, allergies, cancer, epilepsy, Immune-mediated hemolytic anemia (IMHA) and immune-mediated thrombocytopenia (ITP), liver failure etc. etc. would it ever occur to you that this just may be connected to the vaccines you administered to the pup?...... I doubt many breeders would ......

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3125424)

i know parvo is everywhere and i feel safer knowing my pets are protected

so what happens in ten years when people have stopped vaccinating regularly and there is a bigger problem with parvo and the new research says go back to vaccinating? are you just going to switch back because thats what they say to do?

sometimes these "new researches" are marketing scams..you just never know..like someone else said is it the scam to not vaccinate n have sick puppies and make money off the sick puppies? or is the scam over vaccinating and having sick puppies and making money? could the scam be to not vaccinate and de-populate all the dogs out there, so many in shelters and such...just like when they take a prescription drug that does multiple things but sell it for one thing at a time and just rename it three different times.

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3125424)

i know parvo is everywhere and i feel safer knowing my pets are protected

so what happens in ten years when people have stopped vaccinating regularly and there is a bigger problem with parvo and the new research says go back to vaccinating? are you just going to switch back because thats what they say to do?

sometimes these "new researches" are marketing scams..you just never know..like someone else said is it the scam to not vaccinate n have sick puppies and make money off the sick puppies? or is the scam over vaccinating and having sick puppies and making money? could the scam be to not vaccinate and de-populate all the dogs out there, so many in shelters and such...just like when they take a prescription drug that does multiple things but sell it for one thing at a time and just rename it three different times.

Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3125426)

It is good to hear the other side on this for me as sadly i have a dog that has auto immune disease and it all started after her puppy shots :( I never put two and two together until i started learning more about this stuff. My dog was perfectly fine prior to her rabies and puppy shots and then all heck broke loose she would not stop itching was a horrible mess and has been ever since she was six months old.

Allergies in dogs start from the age of 6 months (interesting after shots are done) and up to 3 years of age (after boosters are done yearly for awhile)

Also epilepsy in dogs starts to happen after the age of 3 years old (after vaccinating dogs many times possibly)

Cancer in sites of injection for vaccines

Also neurological conditions within months of vaccinations like Rorie who is a little over 1 year as well as many dogs with neurological conditions like my friends dog with gme. I asked her how long after her vaccinations did she get this and she said within a few months. Her dog was perfectly normal prior. GME is an autoimmune disease or it is tied to an infection disease.

I just think there are alot of coincidences here - could be way off base but trust me when you have one that is sick you start doing your homework and learning about all this stuff to find out what the heck happened to my dog that was perfectly normal prior. Now i have two other dogs that had no issues at all. This breed is very inbred which means they have a poor immune system in many cases so throwing multiple unnecessary vaccines on top of that is just a recipe for disaster.

Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 3125440)

Humans have been getting childhood vaccinations now for 50+ years. You don't see adults that had their childhood vaccinations getting measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, polio, etc. do you? Would not the same logic translate to our dogs? Would you suggest adults need to have annual boosters of those mentioned vaccinations? Do you get them, if not, why?

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3125447)

sigh..of course i dont get them yearly but im not a dog im not eating pooh off the ground..im not bitting my feet, liking other animals etc..i take a bath and wash my hands...as a human i have more options to care for my self where a dog would be more in danger in my opinion

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3125443)

i also look at as a guessing game, what if game and who/what can i blame game

not all problems show up with in the first couple months and it very well could be just coincidences

one was 3 years..one was a few months the other cancerous at the injection..considering alot of vets dont do the vaccine infront of you anymore how do you know where the vaccine was located? how can you remember the exact pin spot where it was that caused the cancer

as anyone looked at the number of pets that have no problems with current status of "over vaccinating"

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3125443)

i also look at as a guessing game, what if game and who/what can i blame game

not all problems show up with in the first couple months and it very well could be just coincidences

one was 3 years..one was a few months the other cancerous at the injection..considering alot of vets dont do the vaccine infront of you anymore how do you know where the vaccine was located? how can you remember the exact pin spot where it was that caused the cancer

as anyone looked at the number of pets that have no problems with current status of "over vaccinating"

Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 3125433)

I agree 100%...The vet will make more money treating the chronic disease that result from overvaccination...I know this sounds evil but vets are just like any other business, profits.....It is a business simple as that.....

I wish I would have saved the article I ran across from a veterinary periodical. The vets where discussing how they where going to increase their profits when they start losing income from vaccines. They where talking about getting people into the office under the pretense their pets needed several wormings a year to keep the pet healthy and parasite free and how they could use fear telling the client the parasites where contagious to the family members. The article also quoted several vets as saying they will *never* switch to the new protocol until they are *forced* to......This is malpractice by my standards......