Should 1st Rabies vacc and kennel cough be given at same time?

[Roccosmommy]

My vet has been very good about splitting up all of Rocco's vacc's since he had a bad reaction the first time (DHP w/ lepto). He received his last DHP booster 1 week ago (no problems) and all that is left is rabies and kennel cough, which the vet assured me is ok to do together...?? Rocco's appointment is today, and I'm very nervous about both of these vaccinations. Any input would be greatly appreciated to calm Mom's nerves (or modify my appointment before 5pm, if necessary)...

[MOMOF5]

I am no expert but if it makes you feel better, get the shots seperately. My vet deals with alot of Yorkies and will give shots that way. Btw, Lepco should never be given to a Yorkie!

[Roccosmommy]

Thanks. I only wish I/he had known about the lepto. He did recover in about 8-12 hours, but do you think there could have been any permanent damage done? He was vomiting, had diarhhea, and was limp within about 10 minutes of the shot. I gave him Children's benadryl immediately and he slept for about 6 hours straight.

Originally Posted by MOMOF5

I am no expert but if it makes you feel better, get the shots seperately. My vet deals with alot of Yorkies and will give shots that way. Btw, Lepco should never be given to a Yorkie!

[Wylie's Mom]

Rabies should be given alone. Especially in a kiddo who has prev. had a vax reaction. Are they going to pre-medicate him? I would ask for this.

Does he have to get the KC bc of grooming or dog parks? Since this is non-core, I wouldn't get it unless absolutely necessary - again, esp. bc he has previously reacted to vaccines.

[107barney]

In a dog that had a reaction, you should split them up and I would only do CORE vaccines as Wylie's Mom has already stated.

As for lepto - the AAHA recommendation is that "routine vaccination of toy breeds should only be considered in dogs known to have high exposure risk"

So unless you have a hunting yorkie, or a yorkie who likes to go in and out of streams/lakes that might contain the urine of infected animals, your yorkie DOES NOT NEED LEPTO. If your vet pushes you on this, drop the vet. Then turn the tables and ask your vet why he/she is pushing you on a noncore vaccine that isn't warranted in a toy breed and tell them to stick their advice where the sun don't shine.

Sorry, I've been there and done this with these vets - and my friend just buried her 2.5 year old dog after a reaction to vaccines!! You might want to read it on the RIP thread as you ponder this topic.

[Roccosmommy]

Thanks very much for the help. The kennel cough vacc will be necessary eventually for grooming and boarding, but not TODAY - I've just decided that. Also, the vet did not push the lepto on me, but administered it when I stated that Rocco spends a lot of time outdoors and I was surprised with how much he enjoys it being such a little guy. He included the lepto assuming he'd need it - I now know he never should have had it. I am staying on top of everything I can before giving him anything now...unfortunately, I'm petrified of the rabies shot and it's one of the mandatory vacc's.

[107barney]

Lepto is just as bad as rabies in terms of reactions

You also need to know that not all versions of the lepto bacteria found in the northeast will be covered by the vaccine. This fact really pissed me off when I found out. I gave lepto at one point - I do not do it now.

As for bordatella and rabies - I've given them together in all three dogs, but we've never had a reaction. That's why I'd only give CORE and break them up if I did have a dog with a reaction.

Good luck, glad you found YT before! Let us know how he does!

[Roccosmommy]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Lepto is just as bad as rabies in terms of reactions

You also need to know that not all versions of the lepto bacteria found in the northeast will be covered by the vaccine. This fact really pissed me off when I found out. I gave lepto at one point - I do not do it now.

As for bordatella and rabies - I've given them together in all three dogs, but we've never had a reaction. That's why I'd only give CORE and break them up if I did have a dog with a reaction.

Good luck, glad you found YT before! Let us know how he does!

Not all lepto in NE is covered after all that???? I already called the vet and told him only rabies when I come in today, and I'll make another appointment for the kennel cough vaccination. I'm taking zero chances after I witnessed what happened to my baby a few weeks ago...scariest thing ever. And like I said earlier, I still don't know if that could have caused any long term damage...? I'm sooooooo nervous for his appointment at 4:00!

[107barney]

I am sure you did not cause any damage. Two of my old goats are 10 and they've had the Lepto and they are fine. Just dont do it now that you know.

Your vet can verify this info but here it is in a nutshell.
Vaccination against Leptospira interrogans is only available for the serovars called canicola, grippotyphosa, pomona and icterohaemorragiae. (Some vaccines cover all four serovars while others cover only two out of four.) In RI, the lepto vaccine given to my dogs covered all 4.

The vaccine does nothing to protect against the other strains of the bacteria.

[Roccosmommy]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I am sure you did not cause any damage. Two of my old goats are 10 and they've had the Lepto and they are fine. Just dont do it now that you know.

Your vet can verify this info but here it is in a nutshell.
Vaccination against Leptospira interrogans is only available for the serovars called canicola, grippotyphosa, pomona and icterohaemorragiae. (Some vaccines cover all four serovars while others cover only two out of four.) In RI, the lepto vaccine given to my dogs covered all 4.

The vaccine does nothing to protect against the other strains of the bacteria.

Thanks so much for your help and info. I am VERY happy to say, my little man is perfectly fine after his rabies vax today and is playing happily in the yard as we speak! One more to go (bortadella) next week and we're done till he's a bigger boy and a year older....YAYYYYYYY!!!!!

[107barney]

That is great! He probably reacted previously to the lepto. On the bordatella, I've always stayed with the intanasal version. That was another inconvenience for my prior vet (probably cheaper!).

[107barney]

Also next week is too soon!!!!!!!
Wait AT LEAST 2 weeks, longer if you can. Otherwise you might as well have given them together!

[Melcakes]

This is a great thread. My girl is due for her rabies and last bordatella shot next week too. She has had no side affects from her shots, and they are planning on giving her both at the same time, but I think I may only do one at a time and the rabies first to be safe. Her vet and the vet's at the clinic I go to are amazing with amazing credentials and they also recommended the bordatella and they consider it a core vaccination. Why do some not consider the Bordatella vaccine to be a core and bad? I'm just curious. My girl will groomed in the future and maybe kenneled (if they need comes up), so I decided to get it.

Roccosmommy - Happy to hear your little guy did great this time around and is doing fine.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Melcakes

This is a great thread. My girl is due for her rabies and last bordatella shot next week too. She has had no side affects from her shots, and they are planning on giving her both at the same time, but I think I may only do one at a time and the rabies first to be safe. Her vet and the vet's at the clinic I go to are amazing with amazing credentials and they also recommended the bordatella and they consider it a core vaccination. Why do some not consider the Bordatella vaccine to be a core and bad? I'm just curious. My girl will groomed in the future and maybe kenneled (if they need comes up), so I decided to get it.

Roccosmommy - Happy to hear your little guy did great this time around and is doing fine.

Bordatella is not a core vaccine so you might want to correct your vet.
Bordatella is not "bad" but it is optional, and therefore it is NOT a core vaccine!

[Melcakes]

Originally Posted by 107barney

Bordatella is not a core vaccine so you might want to correct your vet.
Bordatella is not "bad" but it is optional, and therefore it is NOT a core vaccine!

My vet knows it's not a core vaccine. So I don't think I need to correct her.

She just considers it to be a very important one (like a core) and highly recommends it especially if you are going to have your dogs groomed or kenneled. I guess my post above makes it seem like she said it was a core, which she didn't at all. Sorry about that.

I'm curious as to why I hear others say though don't get it unless your REALLY need it! What are the side effects? Do some consider it to be dangerous? I'm not one that believes in over vaccinating at all, but I would take my vet's advice any day of the week!