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Old 11-11-2008, 08:11 PM   #1
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Default 1 year Booster Vaccines Questions...

I'm probably already past my limit of asking questions, especially in one evening .....sorry!

Ok, I have a little while before I have to decide this, but I have a questions about 1 year vaccinations...

1) Are the "1 yr. Boosters" supposed to be done when SHE turns 1 yr. old....OR are they supposed to be done 1 yr. after her last puppy shot?? For some reason I had it in my head that it was supposed to be when she turned 1, but my dad thought it was 1 yr. after, so now I'm confused....logically, I'm thinking he is probably right

2) She will need a 1 yr. booster of Distemper, Hepatitis (Adeno-2), Parvo, and Parainfluenza, right??? And a 1 yr. Rabies booster too, correct?? (Although, I will NOT give those on the same day!)

3) Then, do I start having titers done every year after that so I can check to make sure she has a good level of immunity and not give boosters until those levels become too low?? or go ahead and give them every 3rd year? (Should I have titers done at her 1 yr. and decline DHPP if her levels are good, or should she get this at 1 yr. no matter what?? I think I've read that she needs the Rabies at 1 yr. no matter what.....)

4) I know there is a lot of info out there supporting only doing the Rabies vacc every 3 yrs. (and as luck would have it, "Triennially" is the law here in OK), however does that mean you give the "one year Rabies shot" every 3 years, or are you supposed to be giving the "three year Rabies shot" every 3 years??? This one REALLY confuses me.....

All the vets in my area tend to over-vaccinate, it seems, so I'd rather have decided what she is going to get rather than rely on them to tell me what's best. (All but 1 of her puppy shots contained the Lepto vacc, and ALL of them contained the Corona vacc .....I WON'T be doing that again!!)

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Old 11-12-2008, 04:48 AM   #2
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1. I would give it one year after the puppy shots are done but the point of a one year booster is to give the vaccine when the immune system is fully mature. This happens probably around the 6 month or just under mark. So technically either way may be acceptable.

2. Yes. She will need at least distemper, parvo, hepatitis and rabies as one year boosters.

3. This is the part that you and your vet have to compromise on. Parainfluenza is usually given is DHPP but it is not a core vaccine. That is up to you. Hepatitis is a core vaccine but some people don't agree with that. I to agree that it is core at this time, especially for puppies. I started a thread not long ago about Ellie's low distemper titer and you will find tons of info on that thread.

4. If the vet uses the rabies vaccine that is labeled for one year use, your state may make you revaccinate in a year. I would make sure the vet uses teh one labeled for three year use as her one year booster. The confusing part here is that it is not uncommon for some rabies vaccine makers to label the exact same vaccine for one year and three year use to satisfy different state laws... You are probably giving her the same thing whatever it is labeled but to comply with the law and make sure you don't have to give it every year, make sure the vet uses the one labeled three years...
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^^ Thank you, Crystal, for the info!

Ok, so after her 1 yr boosters of distemper, hepatitis, parvo, and the Rabies "three year shot", do I start doing titers yearly until her levels are too low? Or should I do titers 1 and 2 years after the 1 yr. booster, and then go ahead and re-vaccinate at 3 yrs. after??

If I give the Rabies "three year shot", I'm not supposed to be getting titers for that yearly too, am I?
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^^ Thank you, Crystal, for the info!

Ok, so after her 1 yr boosters of distemper, hepatitis, parvo, and the Rabies "three year shot", do I start doing titers yearly until her levels are too low? Or should I do titers 1 and 2 years after the 1 yr. booster, and then go ahead and re-vaccinate at 3 yrs. after??

If I give the Rabies "three year shot", I'm not supposed to be getting titers for that yearly too, am I?
Titering for rabies is a waste of money in my opinion. If she would happen to bite someone, a titer probably won't hold up. I would do the one year booster and then every three years to comply with state law.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ter-again.html
Here is the thread about titering. There are so many protocols you could follow and not too much research backing any of them. Dr. Dodds would say vaccinate at one year and then titer every year until they go low, then revaccinate. The problem with that is some dog's titers don't stay high (like Ellie's distemper) but that doesn't mean they aren't protected. A low titer means low humoral immunity but not necessarily low cellular immunity. Doing a one year booster and then vaccinating every three years without titering would be the AAHA's protocol, but it is likely not necessary to vaccinate every three years. I would do the one year boosters and spend the next year deciding what to do.

By the way, I said that parainfluenza isn't a core vaccine and it isn't but if I had a healthy dog, I would likely let the vet give DHPP because if it isn't done that way they will probably need to order in DHP or give all of these in singles. Singles are fine (I prefer them because the immune system has a chance to respond to all of these viruses) but then there can be more of a chance for injection site issues to happen (especially in cats)...
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I read through the "Low Titer Again?" thread you posted....VERY good information!!

What I got from it, especially after reading how Dr. Shultz handles vaccinating his OWN animals, is that since I didn't titer her 2+ weeks after her last puppy shot (which was at ~16 wks), I ought to go ahead and do DHPP at one year, and then have her titered 2+ weeks after the vacc. THEN, if she it is positive, I no longer need to vaccinate her at all........

That being said, it seems to me these Dr's are basically equating "lifelong immunity" with 7-10 yrs. So my question is.....what if your pet lives LONGER than 7 yrs. (as is the case of many healthy Yorkies....and is what we are all hoping for too!) I read the following in Dr. Shutlz's FAQ's:
34. If an animal has gone beyond the time that is generally considered to be the maximum DOl for the vaccine (7 to 9 years for CDV, CPV-2, CAV-2; >1 year for Leptospira, Bordetella bronchiseptica; >3 years for rabies), do I have to start the series of vaccinations again (multiple doses 2 to 4 weeks apart)?
No - For MLV vaccines, multiple doses are only required at the puppy or kitten age, when an animal has MDA.

My understanding of this is that after the "maximum DOI for the vaccine", which is 7-9 yrs. for the Core Vacc's, he does NOT believe there is a need to start over with 2-4 wk. spaced vaccines because there is no need for multiple doses. However, IMO he didn't address whether we ought to give them a SINGLE dose at this point in time??? Should they be given a booster shot (which would last the REST of their lives) after 7-ish years??

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Dr. Dodds would say vaccinate at one year and then titer every year until they go low, then revaccinate.
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So would you do as Dr. Dodds suggests and titer every year until they go low (which in Ellie's case, her CDV titer seems to STAY low), or do as Dr. Shultz suggests and titer 2-3 weeks after the 1 yr. booster, and never re-vaccinate again if that titer test was positive??
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Good questions.

What I would do with Ellie personally and what I do with her because her vet is only comfortable with withholding vaccines for so long are two different things. We are titering every year and after three years, even with a high tier, her vet wants to vaccinate anyway. I have not agreed so far nor have I declined. I think she does have a point in that there isn't much information on this yet. It is still in the lab... Challenge studies haven't even been done on DOI over 7 or 10 years I don't think.

If it were totally my choice, I would probably vaccinate once when the immune system is mature and titer a couple weeks later (actually Ellie's vet thought this would be nice to do with CDV) and then wait at least 3 years to even consider titering or vaccinating again. I don't think I would go her whole life with only one vaccine because as you said, DOI is still only at 7-10 years so far because challenge studies haven't been done beyond that. I would be comfortable only vaccinating with a low titer if I knew for sure that she needed it but since low titers mean nothing, they really frustrate me. After the immune system responds to the invader, there is no reason for the body to product antibodies that would be visable on titer.

So we don't know where we're going yet.
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