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Old 05-17-2008, 04:03 AM   #1
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Default Liver Shunt and second opinions

I cannot find the posting from the woman who is going to allow some vet to operate on her pup whose BAT is not high enough to suggest such high risk surgery. If anyone knows where this posting is let me know please. I am posting this letter to her. I am upset, and sick to my stomach that she is going to allow this obviously incompetent vet to do this to her puppy. If this dog is young, why doesn't she return the dog to the breeder? This is unconscionable and what a horrid thing to put this puppy through.

Please, for heaven's sake do not let you pup be operated on without one or two other opinions. I don't know who your vet is but you are dealing with either:
1)Someone very inexperienced and young
2)Someone who is trying to bring in money for some hospital she/he is working at
3) Or someone, some butcher who is going to experiment on your beloved pet.

I am sick that you are going to allow this vet to touch your pet. If I were you I would be scared to death to let that vet near my pup. I am TELLING YOU HERE AND NOW THAT THIS SURGERY IS GOING TO RUIN YOUR DOG IF NOT KILL HER/HIM. The BAT is simply not high enough to simply let some schmuck do this god awful and life threatening surgery. ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THE NASTY RECOVERY? aRE YOU PREPARED TO LOSE YOUR DOG?

I have two close friends whose dogs BAT were off the charts and who needed the surgery according to three repected and EXPERIENCED OPINIONS. One of the pups died and the other is compromised for life. But at least, it was PROVEN, that the surgery was necessary in both instances.

And here you are, allowing some vet who has pretty obviously 'snowed' you and convinced you with almost NO EVIDENCE to do the worst kind of surgery a Yorkie can ever have. I am absolutely stunned that you are allowing this to happen. I have tears in my eyes as I type this because I KNOW what the furture for you pup holds you proceed. I don't think you do. I think you have been sold a horrendous bill of goods.

If you really love this dog then for God's sake get two more opinions and stop letting this ONE VET completely brainwash you. I IMPLORE YOU to not proceed without two other opinions. If you cannot understand what I am trying desperately to say and if you cannot and will not get two other opinions then at least give your pup a chance at a good life then for gods sake return this pup to the breeder and get a mutt. Yorkies are special and very fragile and people who refuse to get second opinions on such a delicate breed should not have them.

Once you allow this quack to operate on your dog, life for you and him is OVER as you know it. I hope your pup lives but be prepared for the 'vet' to give you all sorts of reasons why he is either still sick, cannot recover or died on the table. WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS WITH SUCH A LOW BAT??

And I fear that this quack you are seeing is simply trying to bring money into some clinic he works in and experiment on YOUR DOG if he is really inexperienced. After all, this is a BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM/HER TO DO HIS VERY FIRST LIVER SHUNT AND he is probably licking his chops with anticipation.

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Okay Im not sure what this is all about I didnt read the post your referring to.

IMO I would try to avoid any surgery at all. Not only is the surgery itself a risk but just the putting a puppy under anesthetic can have horrible affects.

Both of my dogs are spayed/neutered and I HATED the thought of them going under, and knowing the things i know now about it all I question wether I would have did it or not. So scary. I hope the poster of the thread u refer to thinks long and hard and researches. Second opinions are very important, Vets are human and can look past stuff and for your puppys sake Id say its worth looking into.
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I'm not sure what this is all about either - but I had to edit it quite a bit bc it was a very personal attack, and still borders on that. While it IS important to get 2nd opinions - I'm not sure the recipient would appreciate receiving the message in this manner. I know I certainly would not.
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Here is the thread. She hasn't come back, so we have no idea what happened to the pup or what was the outcome of the surgery

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I personally have the feeling this person did not have the puppy's best interest at heart and disregarded all the advice given in her thread. I don't think she'll read this thread nor if she does...heed anything posted.

I hope puppy is okay.
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Old 05-17-2008, 11:19 AM   #6
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This is the scenario, as assembled from other threads:

A breeder sold a 16 week old puppy in February. Late April the buyer called wanting to collect on the health guarantee because the puppy had been diagnosed with liver shunt. Guarantee for full refund of purchase price upon proof of live threatening congenital defect, subject to breeder's vet's approval. Breeder received medical records indicating: 2 lepto vaccines given, 2 kennel cough vaccines, lab work for parasites. This is a 4.5 lb puppy. The good stuff: normal pre-spay blood panel, BAT run at puppy owner's request is approx.50 post, ultrasound report says "appears to be large vein connecting....," in other words, a shunt. Ultrasound also showed normal size liver and no urinary stones or (unintelligible). Based on this the vet wants to go into surgery, the puppy owner agrees, and the breeder and her vet are objecting. The breeder wants to buy the puppy back because she feels very strongly that the owner is not acting in her best interests.
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