looking for GOOD yorkie breeders in NY & NJ

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by cmgny42

I am curious if you have first hand experience with this breeder or if your comments are just your opinion. I personally met with this breeder, talked with them at length during their interview process, got a beautiful, healthy, gentle dog (that is part of our SPCA's Paws for Love program), and spoke with the breeder for several weeks after getting Lulu with any questions I had since Lulu was my first dog. This doesn't seem like someone who is in it for the money to me. I did a lot of research on Yorkies before purchasing one and did encounter people who were in it for the money--to me, this breeder was not one of them. In my opinion, they knew a lot more than "nothing".

To the OP, I am sorry to have hijacked your thread. I am not a breeder and don't pretend to have a breeder's knowledge of Yorkies. I just had a positve experience with this breeder that I thought you might want to check out. I see you have contacted a breeder in Albany and I wish you the best of luck.

No, I haven't had first hand experience with this person, based on her breeding out of standard not somewhere I would have obtained my dogs from. She is breeding out of standard, breeding tinies. Not something any reputable breeder would do. Any person that is breeding teacups, doll faces, purposely breeding tinies, to appeal to the buyer's market is in it for money. Breeding in this manner is putting the dog's life in jeaporady and it is animal cruelty. She is altering the standard, which eventually will affect the health of these dogs.

[cmgny42]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

No, I haven't had first hand experience with this person, based on her breeding out of standard not somewhere I would have obtained my dogs from. She is breeding out of standard, breeding tinies. Not something any reputable breeder would do. Any person that is breeding teacups, doll faces, purposely breeding tinies, to appeal to the buyer's market is in it for money. Breeding in this manner is putting the dog's life in jeaporady and it is animal cruelty. She is altering the standard, which eventually will affect the health of these dogs.

Well, maybe you should contact her first before making these comments about her reputation. I do not see the things you are accusing her of on her website. I think to imply she is being cruel to her animals is horrible without knowing it first hand. I am not going to hijack this thread any more to listen to your accusations.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by cmgny42

Well, maybe you should contact her first before making these comments about her reputation. I do not see the things you are accusing her of on her website. I think to imply she is being cruel to her animals is horrible without knowing it first hand. I am not going to hijack this thread any more to listen to your accusations.

I'm implying that anyone that breeds undersized yorkies for the sale of pups is animal cruelty.

Again I stand by my original statment. This breeder is outside the standard. I don't have to contact her. The people I'm attempting to educate are the unsuspecting public. That's what this site is about, protecting the membership.

Not accusations, just plain facts on what she has on her website.

[Islandloverr]

cant we all just agree to disagree and get along?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by cmgny42

Well, maybe you should contact her first before making these comments about her reputation. I do not see the things you are accusing her of on her website. I think to imply she is being cruel to her animals is horrible without knowing it first hand. I am not going to hijack this thread any more to listen to your accusations.

Do you understand that if a breeder doesn't even know that the Yorkie is a Toy breed, it really shows that she has NEVER taken the opportunity to study the breed at all. I would guess most pet owners here at Yorkietalk know that the Yorkie is a in the Toy breed category, and for the breeder to say there is no such thing as a toy, means that she has such a meager understanding of the breed. This means that you can be quite sure she hasn't studied any of the health problems that afflict this breed, and that she probably doesn't do any health testing. A semi- knowledgeable breeder would have said there is no such thing as teacups, and yorkies are in the toy breed, but she said there is no such thing as toys or teacups. You may think it's just a little error, but as you study the breed, you will realize, it's a dead giveaway that the breeder is NOT knowledgeable, and therefore is breeding for the wrong reasons.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Islandloverr

cant we all just agree to disagree and get along?

I learned the most from people who weren't afraid to speak up. This isn't about getting along; this is about helping someone distinguish good breeders from bed breeders. I'm really glad I took the advice of knowledgeable people here, and found an excellent breeder. Four years later, Joey is a picture of health, and a little cutie pie, it was worth the agony of finding the right breeder.

[cmgny42]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Do you understand that if a breeder doesn't even know that the Yorkie is a Toy breed, it really shows that she has NEVER taken the opportunity to study the breed at all. I would guess most pet owners here at Yorkietalk know that the Yorkie is a in the Toy breed category, and for the breeder to say there is no such thing as a toy, means that she has such a meager understanding of the breed. This means that you can be quite sure she hasn't studied any of the health problems that afflict this breed, and that she probably doesn't do any health testing. A semi- knowledgeable breeder would have said there is no such thing as teacups, and yorkies are in the toy breed, but she said there is no such thing as toys or teacups. You may think it's just a little error, but as you study the breed, you will realize, it's a dead giveaway that the breeder is NOT knowledgeable, and therefore is breeding for the wrong reasons.

I will agree to disagree on the topic of this breeder. Kim Balas is involved in showing yorkies so I am sure she knows that the Yorkie is in the toy breed category. What she is trying to caution people on that are new to the breed is watch out for people who want to sell their dogs at large prices by putting the name "teacup" on them or any other tag. The dogs that she sells to pet homes are always spayed/neutered before going to their new homes. I don't think someone breeding for $$$$ or for the wrong reasons would go this extra mile.

I had a positive experience with this breeder and actually dealt face to face with Kim's husband, Bob. I went to their home and saw where the puppies were raised and how happy they were. Lulu is a happy, healthy, beautiful little girl. That is all that matters in my mind.

For those of you that looked at the website and saw something and didn't like it, go ahead and continue to be judgmental. That is your right. Don't buy a puppy there. Caution people to be wary of the words on the site and ask the breeder about it. But to stretch that into saying a breeder is cruel to her animals without knowing that firsthand, is in my opinion, plain wrong. I stand by my statement on that.

[Islandloverr]

p.s. @cmgny42

the yorkie in your avatar is gorgeous!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by cmgny42

I will agree to disagree on the topic of this breeder. Kim Balas is involved in showing yorkies so I am sure she knows that the Yorkie is in the toy breed category. What she is trying to caution people on that are new to the breed is watch out for people who want to sell their dogs at large prices by putting the name "teacup" on them or any other tag. The dogs that she sells to pet homes are always spayed/neutered before going to their new homes. I don't think someone breeding for $$$$ or for the wrong reasons would go this extra mile.

I had a positive experience with this breeder and actually dealt face to face with Kim's husband, Bob. I went to their home and saw where the puppies were raised and how happy they were. Lulu is a happy, healthy, beautiful little girl. That is all that matters in my mind.

For those of you that looked at the website and saw something and didn't like it, go ahead and continue to be judgmental. That is your right. Don't buy a puppy there. Caution people to be wary of the words on the site and ask the breeder about it. But to stretch that into saying a breeder is cruel to her animals without knowing that firsthand, is in my opinion, plain wrong. I stand by my statement on that.

The only way we have to judge some of these breeders is by their websites, websites can be very deceiving, and I never suggest anyone buy a dog from a website. The problem is that many breeders have learned to "talk the talk, but not walk the walk". What does that mean? It means that they know what to say to perspective buyers to seem "reputable", after all they are salesmen, and learn what works. My point is when a breeder puts such an obvious error on their page such as:

You may speak to breeders trying to push "Toy" or "Teacup" Yorkies. Per the AKC standard and the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, there is no such thing as a Toy or Teacup Yorkie. Yorkies can vary in size, and there are some that are smaller than others.

It means they are trying to "talk the talk", but they don't even know what they are saying. Now if you wish to ignore this or excuse it, that is your privilege, but I will have to argue with you if you want to say it's unimportant, it shows an extreme lack of knowledge about the breed. A word of warning also, showing means very little, anyone can show, and some people call themselves show breeders who have never even won a title for their dog. I don't see any pedigrees or showing information on her website, but I do see words such as adorable "baby doll faces" which the YTCA forbids it's breeders from using.

The YTCA’s Code of Ethics precludes the
use of the words “teacup”, “tiny specialists”, doll faced, or similar terminology
by its members, and for good reason. Yorkshire Terrier Club of America (Awards)

I'm glad you had a postive experience, and I hope the experience continues to be positive, and I'm truely glad that you took the time to go to the breeders home, and saw for yourself how the dogs were being treated, too many people overlook this important step, and this is such a vidal step in the process of doing away with puppy mills.

[Islandloverr]

does anyone know any more breeders in the NY/NJ area?...or even in PA?

ive tried YTCA....3 of the 5 breeders never got back to me. one lady was asking for 1800 for a 6 month old male with an undescended (sp?) testicle. & the last guys puppies arent ready yet.

& the breeder in albany hasnt responed yet either...its only been 2/3 days since i wrote her though...maybe im just being impatient .

i havent gotten anymore leads so im just sitting here waiting basiclly. im looking for more breeders on google but i keep finding pet stores....brokers....teacup breeders....just having no luck!

but im gunna back on YTCA to look at PA breeders....thats my last resort.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Islandloverr

does anyone know any more breeders in the NY/NJ area?...or even in PA?

ive tried YTCA....3 of the 5 breeders never got back to me. one lady was asking for 1800 for a 6 month old male with an undescended (sp?) testicle. & the last guys puppies arent ready yet.

& the breeder in albany hasnt responed yet either...its only been 2/3 days since i wrote her though...maybe im just being impatient .

i havent gotten anymore leads so im just sitting here waiting basiclly. im looking for more breeders on google but i keep finding pet stores....brokers....teacup breeders....just having no luck!

but im gunna back on YTCA to look at PA breeders....thats my last resort.

I really suggest calling breeders. I know that I had to be very persistent. This is not something you want to rush, but I believe that many of them get loads of emails, and are more likely to respond faster if you call. A good breeder will teach you so much with that call.

[Islandloverr]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I really suggest calling breeders. I know that I had to be very persistent. This is not something you want to rush, but I believe that many of them get loads of emails, and are more likely to respond faster if you call. A good breeder will teach you so much with that call.

thats the thing 3 of the breeders i did call, left a message, & left my #...but no response.

& the only way to contact the breeder in albany is through email & her puppy application....i did both...& no response.

im looking at breeders in PA now as we speak (or type).

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Islandloverr

thats the thing 3 of the breeders i did call, left a message, & left my #...but no response.

& the only way to contact the breeder in albany is through email & her puppy application....i did both...& no response.

im looking at breeders in PA now as we speak (or type).

I had to call more than once too. I think it was not till the third time I called it was a good time for her. You really need to convey to the breeder that you are willing to be placed on a waiting list, if they meet all your criteria. I think they want to be sure you are not just price shopping.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Islandloverr

does anyone know any more breeders in the NY/NJ area?...or even in PA?

ive tried YTCA....3 of the 5 breeders never got back to me. one lady was asking for 1800 for a 6 month old male with an undescended (sp?) testicle. & the last guys puppies arent ready yet.

& the breeder in albany hasnt responed yet either...its only been 2/3 days since i wrote her though...maybe im just being impatient .

i havent gotten anymore leads so im just sitting here waiting basiclly. im looking for more breeders on google but i keep finding pet stores....brokers....teacup breeders....just having no luck!

but im gunna back on YTCA to look at PA breeders....thats my last resort.

As a YTCA Exhibitor/Breeder, let me offer some advice and of course you can PM me with any questions.

I don't know if and when you contacted these people and how? E-mails will not work. Most of us want to know that you are putting forth the effort with a phone call. We want to hear your voice. Second, if you contacted them on a weekend; that doesn't work either, we are at shows. Be persistent; keep on calling back.

Oh! Understand, that you may have to wait for that puppy. We don't breed to sell puppies. We breed for ourselves first for our next Champion. So, be prepared to wait. And remember the question/answer thing is a two way street. They will grill you just as much as you will grill them. Our first priority is that pup, we want to make sure that our pup is in the best, loving home possible. You buy your breeder first, then your pup. Your breeder should be there for you 7x24 for the rest of that pups life.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Islandloverr

does anyone know any more breeders in the NY/NJ area?...or even in PA?

ive tried YTCA....3 of the 5 breeders never got back to me. one lady was asking for 1800 for a 6 month old male with an undescended (sp?) testicle. & the last guys puppies arent ready yet.

& the breeder in albany hasnt responed yet either...its only been 2/3 days since i wrote her though...maybe im just being impatient .

i havent gotten anymore leads so im just sitting here waiting basiclly. im looking for more breeders on google but i keep finding pet stores....brokers....teacup breeders....just having no luck!

but im gunna back on YTCA to look at PA breeders....thats my last resort.

Barbara Scott in PA is one I'd highly recommend. Have you tried CT. Rose Jenks/Foxfire in CT.