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12-04-2005, 09:41 PM | #1 |
YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA
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| Can't believe it!!! I can't believe so many people are starting to critize others for posting threads that might cause some disagreement or arguing. You know what I mean. For the most part, I have read the original posts on these threads and feel that these threads have disintegrated more so because of the replies -- rather than because of the original posts. I am most definitely a proponent of free speech and the right to voice personal opinions. I wouldn't want to be part of any forum that allows less than this. I find some of these (debates) far more interesting than the posts like, "I am a nawty wittle puppy. I pee'd on my mommy's bed last night." Good grief!!! I don't even want to go there. The majority of the posts here are questions and opinions about breeding, training, caring for, and raising little Yorkies. And, most of the replies are informative and very helpful. This site is a place to ask questions and share information with one another. It is also a place where we can share opinions and get responses. I hope this forum stays a place where people feel free to post what they feel and question things they don't understand or agree with. I hope for the sake of learning that there will always be subjects and issues brought up that are thought provoking -- that may cause some disagreement and encourage some interesting dialogue ---for those who want to take part. I personally do not take affront at anyone's posting their own opinion ---whether I agree with it or not. If you guys really want to start closing forums that you don't agree with or assuming that people are trying to cause trouble (which may not be the case) ---you might as well start burning books at the library. I think very very few people would ever take the time to try and deliberately start problems on a forum such as this. They may well know that what they are saying will cause a lot of disagreement, in fact some of them have stated this, but that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. I totally disagree with some things that have been posted or said, but I just respond with what I think or I move on to another thread that I find more interesting. I want to make it clear that I do not approve of members asking the administrators or moderators to close threads that they do not agree with. These decisions should be left up to the moderators, who hopefully are more liberal and open minded than a few of the members are. And, who make their decisions based on original posts rather than a handful of member's responses. What I have said is my own opinion and is not personally directed at anyone. If it were personal - I would remember who posted what - and I don't. Carol Jean |
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12-05-2005, 05:24 AM | #2 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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| In my humble opinion my beef is that we have some folks giving advice on subjects that they have no exerience or true knowledge with. For example you post in a thread (made up instance) your darling 12 week old puppy will not hold his/her ears up you will be gave a lot of ways to correct this problem ( no one is the only way to do this). You can pick and choose what you are thinking sounds good to fix this problem. You can see a post from someone who states I have spoke to experts and you need to take this puppy in and have its ears cropped because they are too large or the comment could be don't worry you don't need to do anything they will come up on their own. You being new to the breed think wow- experts- person sounds like this is what I should do. You would be suprised at how many new to the breed do not know what to do with the care of the puppy. I do not want someone leading that new person done a wrong road just. Some folks new to YT can and will assume that all these folks giving advice know what they are talking about. That is how people get taken by con men every day- they have the gift with words. That is my concern- I love the debates and the differance of thoughts and the way we approach things. I get calls in the middle of the night from YT's who are having problems whelping or with a puppy- they ask my thoughts I share what I know and what I have learned over the years and what has wworked for me. Do I have all the answers heck no. I suggest that they pick the brains of other YT members for advice and call the vet. I love to hear the thoughts of the group- I learn something every day. There is a differance between offering another chain of thought in the discussion with facts and life experiences and just spouting off the top of your head. |
12-05-2005, 05:45 AM | #3 |
& Bailey & Bella Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio
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| I agree with both of you at times, I personally dont take any advise on here as gospel, it is what it we claim it to be, advise or opinions of other Yorkie Lovers who have Yorkies,, Mainly their experiences, NO ONE should take or believe anything rather than getting Medical advise or medical attention, and I see on here, that is normally the first thing everyone suggests. As for controversy.. I too read and mostly enjoy those thread also, Yet we all notice SOME enjoy it more than others. I enjoy reading those because you see the persons passion and what they truly believe in.. and I appreciate that in others. That is what I love about this place. the love and passion that I believe we all share.
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12-05-2005, 07:30 AM | #4 |
Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago
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| I agree with a lot of what has been posted thusfar by Carol, Kathy & Rhonda. I do like the mindless chatter that goes on in this forum. It's fun to sign on YorkieTalk and read some of the cute and funny stories when I'm feeling like crap. and who can forget the priceless moments that our members capture with their cameras? There are times when I think that some of the more controversial topics are beat to death (most of us know what those topics are already, so there's no need to point them out). The key, like you said, to controversial topics is that the dialogue is mostly respectful and interesting to read. When we start bringing up bullsh*t, that's when things become rude and uninteresting - it just becomes a question of who has a sharper tounge and who can reply first. I think everyone who can read knows who believes what, who has owned/bred/cared for Yorkies the longest and the best. Personally, I listen to everyone's advice and experiences and weigh them according to how much I know about them, trust them and believe it or not, their spelling and grammar usage.
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12-05-2005, 07:33 AM | #5 | |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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When we quote professionals I encourage everyone to stand up and ask questions- when we state our experiences ask questions-ask questions. The more information that you have about a topic the better enabled you will be to make the correct decision for you and your yorkie. People with nothing to hide are more then glad to share their experiences and where the sources of information they are quoting came from. When I have had problems my vet may state a case where such and such a vet did this for a simular case- I might have a friend who states I saw DR. so and so he treated this for me- in both instances I am gave a way to contact this professional whether it be call write , email or make a appointment. It can amke a differance in the outcome for me and my dog. If i have been reading a article that I think is of value I will share this and state who wrote it- where you can find it and read it for yourself. I might find different things in this book or article of more value for my situation and you other things in the article. It does not have to be a professional it can be someone who breeds/handles/grooms/makes dog clothes etc. who has done something very interesting or of interest/need to another. Do I share this person yes. I may call and say" hey Peggy I have a friend who is interested in your forumla that you use on orphan puppies and she has some questions may I have her contact you?" I share the contact information. With my pm's,e-mails and phone call I always state talk to your vet I am not a vet. Suprising -some folks do not have a regular vet-someone who knows their dog or puppy and will rely on information from this site to make critical deccisions. Look at the threads you see it every day. I can't stress enough about knowledge- read and ask questions about your breed. | |
12-05-2005, 07:46 AM | #6 |
My Yorkie is my life Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, Texas
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| well I dont know what post you are refering to. but people are going to post what they want when they want. Most Threads are controversial, I choose a lot of the time to just state my opinion and leave it at that....
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12-05-2005, 08:00 AM | #7 | |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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Please don't hold spelling and grammar usage against a person. In my instance I make terrible mistakes. I will look at what I have written and can not see with my eyes what is there- I do not see the spelling error or the gramtical error. I have had Cancer since 2000 and have had numerous radiation treatments to the neck and brain area. The one side effect is that I have cognitive problems. I have parkinson's disease as a result. I may look but the brain and the eyes do not see the same thing. I can not figure out how to do a spell check or a gramtical check on YT. Does this make me less of a person then someone who does not make those kind of mistakes? I hope that I am not wrote off because of that. | |
12-05-2005, 08:15 AM | #8 | |
Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago
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I'm not trying to be rude, but I was just trying to be honest when I say that I DO look at that when someone is giving me advice: Someone who uses NO commas or periods at all and types in lowercase for paragraphs and paragraphs at a time usually don't weigh well with me. I really can't help but notice since I check spelling & grammar all day at my job. Kathy, I am so truly sorry about your health problems. Parkinsons is probably the worst disease that I have ever seen in person I am not judging you at all. I was just trying to state the instances in which I take some advice to heart and leave others on the board.
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12-05-2005, 08:28 AM | #9 | |
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12-05-2005, 08:32 AM | #10 |
Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon
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| I cant believe this subject matter is again on its own thread after admin has closed many threads in the past two days regarding this same subject... I have issue with people that continue to stomp their feet and throw a fit over and over again, thinking the topic is finally dead, I say shoot it again and put it out of its misery! for god sake!! As far a spelling and grammer what the hell is that...YT doesnt have spell check if they do I sure cant find it! I think or shall I say I type faster the my mental spell check capabilities. Judge the content not the grammer NOT THE PERSON! MAY THIS TOPIC FINALLY REST IN PEACE!
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12-05-2005, 09:25 AM | #11 | |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Jersey
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Some of the newer members don't realize that some of these 'debates' have been going on for months. Some people continually bring up the same old stuff over and over, demanding apologies and whining about being 'ganged-up' on when the majority doesn't agree with them. They love the drama and just can't let things go. Sometimes you just have to get a straw and SUCK IT UP!!! That's just my humble opinion, and it's directed at no one in particular... Respectfully submitted,
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12-05-2005, 09:28 AM | #12 | |
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12-05-2005, 09:36 AM | #13 | |
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The "other" thread encouraging censorship and arguing against free speech was closed I believe because of how ugly it got!! Many of those in support of censoring have a problem with different opinions and need to learn to at least tolerate them. People need to be given credit for havng brains. Some of the people arguing that BAD advice is being given have given out plenty of bad advice themselves so I find it ironic that they are the ones complaining about it. | |
12-05-2005, 09:48 AM | #14 | |
YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada
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If the threads that have been posted "a million times" are such a problem than maybe Admin should open up a new thread for Newbies so the older members don't have to go there or be so called "bothered" with the same questions!
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12-05-2005, 10:07 AM | #15 |
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| Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way! Oh what fun it is to ride in a one horse open sleigh! Just being silly!
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