YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community


Welcome to the YorkieTalk.com Forums Community - the community for Yorkshire Terriers.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You will be able to chat with over 35,000 YorkieTalk members, read over 2,000,000 posted discussions, and view more than 15,000 Yorkie photos in the YorkieTalk Photo Gallery after you register. We would love to have you as a member!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please click here to contact us.

Go Back   YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community > YorkieTalk > Sick & Injured / Emergencies Talk
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar JavaChat Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-30-2020, 05:43 PM   #1
YorkieTalk Newbie!
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 9
Default Kidney Disease Senior yorkie (In need of guidance)

Hi all,

Long time observer of this wonderful forum, but first time poster.

I'm seeking advice in regards to Kidney disease with my dog Lady who turned 17 in November.

Lady was extremely fit and healthy until last week everything changed.

At 6PM she had her usual dinner and she loves her grub let me tell you. She was on a senior diet, but an hour past and I found her in her bed to what I believed to have been dead. It turns out she wasn't, however she was unresponsive so we rushed her to the emergency vets.

Her they recovered her, gave her fluids overnight and said she was a diabetic which is why this happened.

Turns out our next vet said she was not diabetic, rather she had chronic kidney disease and we were it was untreatable and that her time was up in their opinion.

As any normal human does, I went for a 2nd opinion as she means too much to me just to take the word of one person woth all respect to them. The bad news was, the 2nd vet agreed.

I'm finding this incredinbly difficult and believe me I want whats best for her, I really do. I've been by her side all her life and her by the biggest part of mine.


So I started looking on here and online at experience with this disease and the number one way to manage it (I understand its not cureable) is to start on fluids, attempt to lower the levels and then progress onto a diet or phospate binder.

Here is where I'm now hitting my snag. Lady has lost a decent amount of weight, she slepts a lot (she always did anyways) and she is having diarhea. No other symptoms are present apart from those and the obvious dehydration hence my desperation to get her flushes and on fluids.

With this said, neither of the two vets want to do it, they're literally saying your only option is to put her down. Lady has always been a fighter. She is still eating her favourite meals, will still scoff a treat, albeit she has symptoms, but I'm really stumped here.

My mum is too emotional to think properly, so shes just agreeing with the first thing the vet says.

Can anyone offer any guidance on how you would proceed? I understand this is a somewhat long post, but I needed to give as much detail as possible for you wonderful people to understand it all.

I have my reasonings for trust issues with certain vets, but I wont get into that.

In my head, I want her stabilized on fluids, to give her the required fluids when needed, to kickstart a new diet so she can start gaining her weight back and to use a phosphate binder to keep those levels low.

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart any advice is appreciated so I can properly guide this hellish situation.

Last edited by Scot1888; 01-30-2020 at 05:45 PM.
Scot1888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Welcome Guest!
Not Registered?

Join today and remove this ad!

Old 01-31-2020, 08:21 AM   #2
YT 500 Club Member
 
nanajoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Kissimmee, FL
Posts: 862
Default

I am so sorry for you, and your beloved Lady. I am familiar with kidney disease, as our first yorkie mix, Elmo, developed it at age 11. He had a rapid weight loss, and became lethargic, and our vet recommended prescription food and IV fluids. We implemented the treatment, but poor Elmo was miserable. He hated the food, and I had to sit on the floor with him and spoon feed him little bits at a time. He looked at me each mealtime with very sad eyes, but ate it merely to please me. He tolerated the IV treatment bravely every two-three days, and took his meds, but he continued to fail. He was unhappy, becoming weaker by the day, and we decided to let him go back to his "old life". He ate his favorite foods and spent the last few days of his life happily cuddling with us and with his older brother. They had two more days to snuggle and spend time together, then he fell over when we took him for a walk. We took him to the vet, and gave him a peaceful end to his suffering. It was heartbreaking to decide to let him go, but we truly felt that it was his time to say goodbye.
__________________
Joy...Mommy to Tyrone and Gus
r.i.p. beloved Ozzie and Tucker, and Beauregarde the poodle
nanajoy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2020, 08:53 AM   #3
YorkieTalk Newbie!
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nanajoy View Post
I am so sorry for you, and your beloved Lady. I am familiar with kidney disease, as our first yorkie mix, Elmo, developed it at age 11. He had a rapid weight loss, and became lethargic, and our vet recommended prescription food and IV fluids. We implemented the treatment, but poor Elmo was miserable. He hated the food, and I had to sit on the floor with him and spoon feed him little bits at a time. He looked at me each mealtime with very sad eyes, but ate it merely to please me. He tolerated the IV treatment bravely every two-three days, and took his meds, but he continued to fail. He was unhappy, becoming weaker by the day, and we decided to let him go back to his "old life". He ate his favorite foods and spent the last few days of his life happily cuddling with us and with his older brother. They had two more days to snuggle and spend time together, then he fell over when we took him for a walk. We took him to the vet, and gave him a peaceful end to his suffering. It was heartbreaking to decide to let him go, but we truly felt that it was his time to say goodbye.
Thank you a lot. I'm really sorry to hear about Elmo, that sounds awful and I can relate a lot to you right now. It really is a vicious disease which comes out of nowhere and that makes it all the more heartbreaking.

We have received a phosphate binder iPakitine it's called here in the UK and since yesterday she is eating her food with no fuss with this in it and is a lot more active today as in she is getting up and walking around the house going to her regular spots, etc. Just more perkier than what we've seen her over the past week which is really comforting to see.

The vet's we seen are just looking at her and aren't even willing to discuss any other possibility other than euthanize which I'm not allowing to happen right now as we see her 24/7, they seen her for 10 minutes and cannot possibly know how she is acting in the grand scheme of things.

May try another vet who will actually be willing to give out Lady the fluids she needs to be able to manage this because let me tell you this dog is not a quitter.
Scot1888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2020, 11:39 AM   #4
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,840
Default

I am so sorry. It is heartbreaking to lose our beloved pups. If two vets say there is no way to save her, I think you really need to listen.

I once went way overboard with a renal failure pup. Of course I thought I was helping him, but in the end I believe he suffered longer than he should have. His photo is at my bedside and I speak to him often and tell him how sorry I am that he felt so sick. I know in my heart I thought I was helping and I am sure he knows...but I can tell you this: I will never push hard like that again. I WISH someone had told me he had no chance .. I won't go into detail but suffice it to say it was way too much.

17 is very old for a yorkie...you are, in my opinion, very fortunate to have had her so long!

I don't wish to tell you what to do. I am only going to say that you need to search deep within yourself. Are you doing this for her or for you? If you let her go on and she suffers and starts having seizures or dies, will you be ok knowing how badly she felt during her last days. I personally would rather take them to my vet and let them go peacefully....but, that is just me. You have to do what you think is best.

I will keep you in my thoughts. I wish you well...again I am so sorry. So hard.
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2020, 11:45 AM   #5
YorkieTalk Newbie!
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ladyjane View Post
I am so sorry. It is heartbreaking to lose our beloved pups. If two vets say there is no way to save her, I think you really need to listen.

I once went way overboard with a renal failure pup. Of course I thought I was helping him, but in the end I believe he suffered longer than he should have. His photo is at my bedside and I speak to him often and tell him how sorry I am that he felt so sick. I know in my heart I thought I was helping and I am sure he knows...but I can tell you this: I will never push hard like that again. I WISH someone had told me he had no chance .. I won't go into detail but suffice it to say it was way too much.

17 is very old for a yorkie...you are, in my opinion, very fortunate to have had her so long!

I don't wish to tell you what to do. I am only going to say that you need to search deep within yourself. Are you doing this for her or for you? If you let her go on and she suffers and starts having seizures or dies, will you be ok knowing how badly she felt during her last days. I personally would rather take them to my vet and let them go peacefully....but, that is just me. You have to do what you think is best.

I will keep you in my thoughts. I wish you well...again I am so sorry. So hard.
Oh thank you very much for the response LadyJane, you're much appreciated.

I understand completely what you're saying and I'm honestly doing it for her as I believe she wants to be here still. I've had her for the whole 17 years, I know her inside out and to me right now she isn't a dying dog.

Sure she has a chronic disease that will eventually make her part ways with us to a better place, but she is still eating, drinking, peeing, now pooing normally again (no diarrhoea) and rolling around in her bed which is something she always done when she was happy.

These are the reasons I have not passed her on to the other side. Am I being unreasonable at this stage?
Scot1888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2020, 12:11 PM   #6
kjc
I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny
Donating Member
 
kjc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 18,856
Default

Hi and welcome to YorkieTalk. I wish it was under better circumstances I read your thread last night but decided to think about it before I said anything. I just want to let you know that I had an older Yorkie and I fed her on a senior diet but she didn’t do well on it at all. After about a year she just got real lethargic and sluggish so I switched her back to a regular diet not high-performance or anything and I noticed a big change toward the good.She was more active and coherent and I really believe that it was due to the diet at that time.
I agree with Joy, about quality-of-life issues and you sound like you are very in tune with your Yorkie so maybe you do not mention her age when you go to the next vet like you found her and you think she’s around 15 or so, maybe then they would be more willing to treat her disease instead of just writing her off. I’ll probably get blasted for saying that but I think there may be some kind of cultural differences between our two countries because I believe over here you could probably find any number of vets who would be willing to treat her at 17 years of age. I wish you the best of luck and let us know how it goes.
__________________
Kat Infinity Chloe ?
PeekABooTinkerbell Sapphire
kjc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2020, 12:20 PM   #7
YorkieTalk Newbie!
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjc View Post
Hi and welcome to YorkieTalk. I wish it was under better circumstances I read your thread last night but decided to think about it before I said anything. I just want to let you know that I had an older Yorkie and I fed her on a senior diet but she didnít do well on it at all. After about a year she just got real lethargic and sluggish so I switched her back to a regular diet not high-performance or anything and I noticed a big change toward the good.She was more active and coherent and I really believe that it was due to the diet at that time.
I agree with Joy, about quality-of-life issues and you sound like you are very in tune with your Yorkie so maybe you do not mention her age when you go to the next vet like you found her and you think sheís around 15 or so, maybe then they would be more willing to treat her disease instead of just writing her off. Iíll probably get blasted for saying that but I think there may be some kind of cultural differences between our two countries because I believe over here you could probably find any number of vets who would be willing to treat her at 17 years of age. I wish you the best of luck and let us know how it goes.
Hey Kjc, thank you for the warm welcome and I too wish it was under better circumstances.

I am very in-tune with her, and my 4 yorkies in total (they're all a family!), and I will certainly look into that diet thing with my other 3 who are now 7, 12 and 12.

I made a response to the above post from LadyJane which explains how she's being doing since, but it's under approval, so it'll probably be vieawable by the time you read this.

Your idea about the vet thing is interesting and I'm more than willing to give this a try. To be completely honest, I wouldn't blast you for saying what you said because I actually agree. My experience with the 3 UK vets I've used have really been hit and miss, some really amazing and some not so amazing (they tried to put her down when she was 13 for a non cancerous tumor in her bottom) Suffice to say, we found someone who successfully operated on it and it was extremely proven to be worth it.

The problem with our vets is, they all want history before treatment which is annoying, so maybe the we found her part might stop them from asking that.

I will certainly keep you up-to-date and I appreciate the optimism as I need a little of this in my life right now and so does my little fighter.
Scot1888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2020, 12:55 PM   #8
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,840
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scot1888 View Post
Oh thank you very much for the response LadyJane, you're much appreciated.

I understand completely what you're saying and I'm honestly doing it for her as I believe she wants to be here still. I've had her for the whole 17 years, I know her inside out and to me right now she isn't a dying dog.

Sure she has a chronic disease that will eventually make her part ways with us to a better place, but she is still eating, drinking, peeing, now pooing normally again (no diarrhoea) and rolling around in her bed which is something she always done when she was happy.

These are the reasons I have not passed her on to the other side. Am I being unreasonable at this stage?
You are NEVER unreasonable when you make a decision about a pup you love so much. You are the one who loves her and knows her best.
I am glad she is doing better. I hope you have many, many more happy moments together.

Last edited by ladyjane; 02-01-2020 at 12:56 PM.
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2020, 02:36 PM   #9
YorkieTalk Newbie!
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ladyjane View Post
You are NEVER unreasonable when you make a decision about a pup you love so much. You are the one who loves her and knows her best.
I am glad she is doing better. I hope you have many, many more happy moments together.
That means a lot, so thank you!

I will be sure to keep you all updated. She is doing a lot better recently.
Scot1888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2020, 01:14 PM   #10
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,840
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scot1888 View Post
That means a lot, so thank you!

I will be sure to keep you all updated. She is doing a lot better recently.
Oh, that is wonderful!!
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2020, 01:34 PM   #11
YT 2000 Club Member
 
Juliealfies mum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: scotland
Posts: 2,193
Default

Hi I hope your little one is continuing to do better.
We are also in the Uk and our 2 Yorkies are almost 16 and 14 and a half .
__________________
From Julie Alfie & Lottie
Juliealfies mum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2020, 09:00 AM   #12
YorkieTalk Newbie!
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Juliealfies mum View Post
Hi I hope your little one is continuing to do better.
We are also in the Uk and our 2 Yorkies are almost 16 and 14 and a half .
We are in Scotland too! That's amazing. Our others are 12 and 7 along with Lady who is 17.

She has had a good past week, but started to be fussy on the food again. I'm honestly thinking it's the anti acid tablet that the vets gave us as every time he give her is she goes right off food.

I'm honestly just gonna stop using it at this rate.
Scot1888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2020, 03:25 PM   #13
kjc
I♥PeekTinkySaph&Finny
Donating Member
 
kjc's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 18,856
Default

Glad to hear she’s doing okay. Prayers for you and the family.
__________________
Kat Infinity Chloe ?
PeekABooTinkerbell Sapphire
kjc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2020, 12:49 PM   #14
Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member
 
ladyjane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 26,840
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scot1888 View Post
We are in Scotland too! That's amazing. Our others are 12 and 7 along with Lady who is 17.

She has had a good past week, but started to be fussy on the food again. I'm honestly thinking it's the anti acid tablet that the vets gave us as every time he give her is she goes right off food.

I'm honestly just gonna stop using it at this rate.
Be careful because it binds the phosphorous and it is probably helping her. Her appetite issues are more than likely just due to the renal failure. Have you tried an appetite stimulant? If not, ask your vet if perhaps it might help.
ladyjane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-28-2020, 08:19 AM   #15
YorkieTalk Newbie!
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 9
Default

I want to thank you all for a final time with the advice you gave for me and Lady.

Unfortunately she deteriorated pretty fast this past week and passed away this morning at around 11 AM.

I'm absolutely heartbroken, she was the best dog I've ever had the pleasure of having by my side.

I wouldnt wish any dog lover to experience kidney disease, it truly is a horrific experience, but we gave her all the love she wanted till the end.
Scot1888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off




Google
 

SHOP NOW: Amazon :: eBay :: Buy.com :: Newegg :: PetStore :: Petco :: PetSmart


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:53 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright ©2003 - 2018 YorkieTalk.com
Privacy Policy - Terms of Use

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166