Lacrimal Gland Aplasia

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

Pray tell what Judy would do with Max if she were to take him back? Would she, as a busy breeder etc, expend the time and effort and funds to treat and care for Max? If she were, then why not help Sheila with the vet costs instead? This eye issue could involve a lifetime of treatment and burden on his caregiver. Thank you for at least communicating for Judy as she does not seem to want to do so herself.

First off, I am not Judy's voice in this, this is my heart. IF Max is going to require the care that is being stated, he needs to go back to Judy where she can care for him and yes, she will give him her all, I have seen her do it! With what the OP is stating about her health that would be the best.
At this point, from what I am reading the only thing to do is return the puppy per the contract. Every organization involved is going to advise Judy to go by the signed agreed contract.

[dottiesyrky]

Thank you, it is comforting to know that poor Max would not be put to sleep as he is no longer a commodity capable of being sold to another buyer. If Max were to be returned, which I find to be most unlikely, would Sheila be refunded the money already expended taking care of Judy's sick pup?

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by Dixies Mom

As a retired law enforcement officer, proof is a big key. Also, as a human being who also lives everyday with a life threatening diseased, the truth is the most important.
You are asking for an absolute resolution on your terms without providing any proof to the breeder. Mrs. Marksbury has agreed to honor her contract.
The truth... You are defaming on a public forum, a wonderful, caring person with an unrelenting love and devotion to the Yorkshire terrier. I have known Judy for years, been to her home, have had my dogs at her home and her dogs at mine.
She is a very caring breeder who does her best to preserve the integrity of our breed. I know first hand how Judy cares for her babies. I also know her vet, I travel 600 miles just to consult with her, she shows her own breed.
Judy would never knowingly sell a puppy with any issue without full disclosure to the new parents. Shelia, you spent several hours in Judy's home playing with puppies, the eye issue you are stating as fact has symptoms, did you see the puppy display signs that would lead you to believe there was an issue? I would think not as you picked him. Considering your situation, Judy did everything in her power to make you happy including giving you the registration paperwork on a puppy BEFORE proof of spay or neuter, something we never do. Truth... You told Judy your passing will be before the first of the year and you needed the papers so you could update your will....emotional blackmail.
I have read your posts on all of the threads you have started. You are on a mission to defame a wonderful and caring person. You have mentioned several times the clubs she is affiliated with. You do not devote to these clubs and the breed if you do not care.
Judy has agreed to honor her contract. If you do not want to give up your puppy, take the puppy back, let Judy take the puppy for a second opinion and treatment otherwise return the puppy per the contract and select a replacement.
You have not backed up you allegations with any proof... Without proof, what does Judy have to respond to? Defamation is not taken lightly.
On another note, I understand your disease, mine is blood cancer.

Sitting on my hands!!!!

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

Thank you, it is comforting to know that poor Max would not be put to sleep as he is no longer a commodity capable of being sold to another buyer. If Max were to be returned, which I find to be most unlikely, would Sheila be refunded the money already expended taking care of Judy's sick pup?

Again, I am not here as Judy's voice, I am here to attest to her character and her devotion to this breed. As I stated Judy will be advised to follow her contract by the letter....

[TxVicki]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

Thank you, it is comforting to know that poor Max would not be put to sleep as he is no longer a commodity capable of being sold to another buyer. If Max were to be returned, which I find to be most unlikely, would Sheila be refunded the money already expended taking care of Judy's sick pup?

I don't see how Dixie's Mom can answer for Judy on this??? AND if she does, that is so wrong.

[dottiesyrky]

I understood that Dixies Mom was acting for Judy (even though she said she was not) as she does not come on here herself. I assumed if DM did reply it would be the result of a consult with Judy, as he has commented on other questions and seems to be well aware of the facts of this 'case' and acting as her quasi legal advisor. Of course he has no legal right to make decisions for Judy on his own. Thanks for raising this though.

[Rhetts_mama]

First of all, i am very sorry that Max is having problems. I can understand your worry and anxiety over what might be in his future.

After reading this tread, I am confused. Yes, it was terrible that the puppy was sold with ear infections, eye infections and coccidia. And yes, if I were a breeder I would be mortified to send a pup home like that and immediately cover costs related to those immediate needs. But lacrimal agenesis is extremely rare and not something that is routinely tested for. In fact, it's quite logical that no vet would even begin looking for it until there were repeated eye infections or an infection not responsive to antibiotics. Even then, their first diagnosis would likely be lacrimal duct stenosis and treatment would be drops and massage.

It doesn't tend to run in lines, so it wouldn't likely be something that the breeder would be aware of prior to having a pup diagnosed with it. It's not life threatening. It can lead to other problems that aren't life threatening. Treatment is expensive and time consuming. But when we buy a pup, we are agreeing to take on a pup for life and take care of what ever comes our way.

The OP knew the terms of the health guarantee before she bought the pup. Is it a great guarantee? IMO, no. I could never give a pup back and would never purchase a pup with that kind of caveat. We say here time and time again to do your research before buying a pup. Part of that research includes looking at and understanding the health guarantee. But that was the contract that was agreed to and signed. Asking that it be changed after the fact, while it might be emotionally appealing, doesn't have a whole lot of legal backing.

There are two sides to every story and we have only heard one. What ever the outcome, I hope thatMax gets the treatment he needs and lives a very happy life.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by dottiesyrky

I understood that Dixies Mom was acting for Judy (even though she said she was not) as she does not come on here herself. I assumed if DM did reply it would be the result of a consult with Judy, as he has commented on other questions and seems to be well aware of the facts of this 'case' and acting as her quasi legal advisor. Of course he has no legal right to make decisions for Judy on his own. Thanks for raising this though.

Please refrain from speaking for me... I have explained my involvement in this and it is independent.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by msyorktown

Dixie's Mom....Sheila has bonded with Max, would you give back a pup you have bonded with....for myself I would not! She (Judy) may have been caring and wonderful to you, but in this situation with Max and Sheila, she is anything but!!


Ugh...I have to sit on my hands...

Thank you-you are right. Judy may have been caring and wonderful to her friend, but she has not been the slightest bit interested in Maxwell's condition.

She even sent me an e-mail asking me if I was sure my Vet knew it was Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia, since I told her that my Vet hadn't seen it in her practice of 23 years. This, after I explained to her that our Vet had diagnosed the severe bacterial infection in Max's left eye, as a result of it, done the Flourescein stain, and the Schirmer tear test, and consulted with an Opthalmologist at Purdue in West LaFayette, IN.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

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I don't see how Dixie's Mom can answer for Judy on this??? AND if she does, that is so wrong.

Vicki,

Judy should be here, answering for herself.

Better yet, would be if she would e-mail my husband or I, and answer for herself.

[Yorkieville200]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

First of all, i am very sorry that Max is having problems. I can understand your worry and anxiety over what might be in his future.

After reading this tread, I am confused. Yes, it was terrible that the puppy was sold with ear infections, eye infections and coccidia. And yes, if I were a breeder I would be mortified to send a pup home like that and immediately cover costs related to those immediate needs. But lacrimal agenesis is extremely rare and not something that is routinely tested for. In fact, it's quite logical that no vet would even begin looking for it until there were repeated eye infections or an infection not responsive to antibiotics. Even then, their first diagnosis would likely be lacrimal duct stenosis and treatment would be drops and massage.

It doesn't tend to run in lines, so it wouldn't likely be something that the breeder would be aware of prior to having a pup diagnosed with it. It's not life threatening. It can lead to other problems that aren't life threatening. Treatment is expensive and time consuming. But when we buy a pup, we are agreeing to take on a pup for life and take care of what ever comes our way.

The OP knew the terms of the health guarantee before she bought the pup. Is it a great guarantee? IMO, no. I could never give a pup back and would never purchase a pup with that kind of caveat. We say here time and time again to do your research before buying a pup. Part of that research includes looking at and understanding the health guarantee. But that was the contract that was agreed to and signed. Asking that it be changed after the fact, while it might be emotionally appealing, doesn't have a whole lot of legal backing.

There are two sides to every story and we have only heard one. What ever the outcome, I hope thatMax gets the treatment he needs and lives a very happy life.

Thank you-yes, it was extremely upsetting when Max was diagnosed with yeast infections in both his ears, a severe bacterial infection in his left eye, Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia, and Giardia.

According to the Ophthalmologist at Purdue in West LaFayette, IN, Yorkies are the poster child for Lacrimal Gland Aplasia. The severe bacterial infection in Max's left eye, is what prompted our Vet to to the Flourescein stain, and the Schirmer tear test.

As for the contract-there is more to the story, but I'm exhausted and leaving it in the hands of YTCA and AKC.

Over 30 years, I had gotten my 3 beautiful girls from wonderful AKC Show breeders. Never a problem, until now.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Thank you-you are right. Judy may have been caring and wonderful to her friend, but she has not been the slightest bit interested in Maxwell's condition.

She even sent me an e-mail asking me if I was sure my Vet knew it was Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia, since I told her that my Vet hadn't seen it in her practice of 23 years. This, after I explained to her that our Vet had diagnosed the severe bacterial infection in Max's left eye, as a result of it, done the Flourescein stain, and the Schirmer tear test, and consulted with an Opthalmologist at Purdue in West LaFayette, IN.

Still I ask, why did you not send the vet diagnosis to Judy? There is still no proof of this. Again, how can this be dealt with. You used this diagnosis to get Max's registration before you had him neutered. Judy gave you this on Your Word and her compassion for you.

[Lil Sis]

yes there are two sides to every story... but the breeder is choosing not to respond and imo that makes her side questionable.

I just hope Max is ok.. and treatment prevents any damage to his eyes. I hope you are ok too...

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Yorkieville200

Thank you-yes, it was extremely upsetting when Max was diagnosed with yeast infections in both his ears, a severe bacterial infection in his left eye, Congenital Lacrimal Gland Aplasia, and Giardia.

According to the Ophthalmologist at Purdue in West LaFayette, IN, Yorkies are the poster child for Lacrimal Gland Aplasia. The severe bacterial infection in Max's left eye, is what prompted our Vet to to the Flourescein stain, and the Schirmer tear test.

As for the contract-there is more to the story, but I'm exhausted and leaving it in the hands of YTCA and AKC.

Over 30 years, I had gotten my 3 beautiful girls from wonderful AKC Show breeders. Never a problem, until now.

You took you puppy home in September? Where are the vet records stating he was diagnosed with giardiasis and ear infections?
I can personally say, after the Memphis show in September, I delivered 2 puppies from Judy to people along my travels. I have kept in touch with them because they have personally met me and feel comfortable with me. Neither puppy had such diagnosis. With yeast and giardiasis, if one has it, you treat them all.

[Dixies Mom]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

yes there are two sides to every story... but the breeder is choosing not to respond and imo that makes her side questionable.

I just hope Max is ok.. and treatment prevents any damage to his eyes. I hope you are ok too...

Respond to what? This forum? She cannot even get vet records. Why would she come on this forum after some of the posts? She doesn't need to.