MY 8Wk PUPPY IS DOESN'T LOOK GOOD PLEASE HELP!

[Nancy1999]

I'm just concerned because I don't even know if this person has been feeding the dog kibble at 8 weeks. He says he still feeds on the mom and the vet gave them little bottles. If all the pups nourishment is only coming from it's mom, wouldn't just some food help? OP, love your pup more than your feelings and lets gets some answers. The people here can help you. How's the pup doing today?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Oh, good grief, the magical word tone rears it's head again.

For all you newer folks, welcome to the world of an online forum where people can express their opinions. Like I said to the OP, use what you can and leave the rest behind.

You all have no idea what I am thinking or how I intend for things to come across...just let me tell you this: It takes a LOT of restraint for me to be polite to people who are obviously going to let a pup die while trying to make us sound like bad guys because we don't call them "good mommies" and say "you are doing all you can" when it is perfectly clear they are not. Yes, I am very direct and I make NO apologies for it. I don't believe in enabling. Period!

Needed to be repeated imho.

[kimp5]

and like you said everyone here can express their opinions so we can agree to disagree..

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by kimp5

in response to Lnzy420 to me..
Well you may have taken it that way but he did not. That's what I am saying. It doesn't matter how YOU took it, it matters how he did. He said as much...you have the right to say what you want but so does he. He was asking for help. He didn't feel he got it. Its that simple..

I'm tone deaf, I just can't hear you.

Apparently he didn't like what he heard from the vet that gave him the bottles either...Kaching...

And yes these people here (if you care to google my first threads) blasted me in to oblivion with instructions etc., but the only thing I read was the urgency in which they were giving me information, THE ONLY THING I WANTED WAS MY PUP HEALTHY, I WASN'T THINKING OF MY POOR FEELINGS, OR MY SHOULDER THAT I COULDN'T MOVE, OR THE PUKE BUCKET ON MY BED, I had just had a major shoulder surgery and was deathly ill with a retro virus, when I read their posts. I didn't take it as tone or bashing...rather urgent and serious as hell...I remember calling my husband a Sheriff deputy at work, "Ashue you gotta come home and we got to take Mia to a Cardiologist Now these people on this sight say she can die, hurry the **** up"...he had a van full of prisoners (one quite infamous) he called for relief and we shot our asses out the door...

These people saved my Mia1 and gave me a year that I wouldn't have had with her. I owe it to these people here that some said were bashing me, even when I read those threads now....all I see it is help.

So I guess people read these threads either defensively or offensively...it all depends on the persons state of mind. Oh and one more thing....those vet bill were over $10,000 for my Mia1....she died a year later, my ex is still paying the bill...but it was worth every penny. I can't imagine a sick person or animal not being the priority.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by bjh

How do you know the puppy was not already vaccinated? Some people start vaccinations way to early and the vaccinations can make a puppy very sick.

Vaccinations cost alot of money, he has no income, and it is JUST now time to start vaccinations........

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

If you think this is the first time we have dealt with people coming here and playing these head games with us, think again. And, yes, it is a head game in most cases...we say what is needed (vet care) and they tell us they cannot afford it. So...our choice is to be "nice" and watch puppy die or be DIRECT and tell them what they need to do...as in making difficult choices for the sake of the life of the pup. And, no matter who says it or how they say it, the responses are often the same. Once in a while we actually find people who care more about seeing a puppy live and they follow our advice.

Yes this is true and I am forever grateful to YOU, 107BARNEY, MEGANSMOMMA and a few others for helping me to save Mia1's life...at that time.

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I must have missed something as I did not see anyone call him an irresponsible pet owner. YES, people have told him what they believe is the responsible thing to do for the sake of the puppy.

As for giving constructive comments on how to treat the puppy, I believe people DID but he said he cannot afford a vet. THAT is what this puppy needs....not googling and not people who have NO clue what is wrong with the puppy offering care advice. The puppy is at risk of DYING if he does not find out what is wrong. He DOES need to do the responsible thing and take the poor puppy to a VET; and if not, then he should let someone else who CAN afford it, give the puppy the needed care ... if that is calling him irresponsible in your book, then so be it.

Maybe you missed THIS:

Originally Posted by magicgenie

Surrender the puppy to soemone who can take care of him.

...No money for a vet visit but you bred a litter of dogs. That's not nice. Do the right thing now and give up the dogs to someone who can treat them right...

I'm sure there are worse examples in this thread, but this is the first one I found on the first page. Making assumptions about Johnny's situation is not nice, and if I see that going on, you can be sure that I'll be calling people out on it. It is NOT helpful.

[Prince Toby]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

You mean this thread where the puppy died as I said was going to happen? You did not like the advice given there either....we are not all going around suggesting that people give up their dogs.....BUT we do suggest it when a person is not able to care properly for their dogs.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/4149283-post42.html

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No, actually they were not getting the help that they were advised by a vet to do.

How Dare you bring up my baby boy Colby. I did not watch him die. I did everything for him except traveling far away with him to get an MRI that I was already told by not one but three vets would not help him because he was too brain damaged. I got him as a rescue. He could not walk when I got him. I spent hours on end working with him and got him walking. I took him to different vets because I didn't believe there was nothing that could be done for him. All 3 told me the same thing. I went through the emergency fund I had set aside. For your information before the 3rd vet told us he was suffering and there was nothing we could do but put him out of his misery we tried to find someone to take him, but everything happened so fast with him we never had a chance. I was even working with my friend who is a breeder. I miss him everyday. I cry every time I hear his name or walk by his urn, so do not make it seem like I didn't listen and just let him die. I have had enough of the way you talk to people on here. I do not care what kind of breeder you are you need to learn some understanding and compassion. If you were really thinking about these puppies you wouldn't run the poster off. I am done with this site. I thought I could share pics and stories and get advice when needed, but with people like you on here that is not possible.

[mimimomo]

W/in minutes of the OP posting for help, My Sophia, chattiesmom & Nancy1999 suggested giving the pup some karo or nutrical & to take the pup to a vet...in 30mins, he replied w/no update on the puppy, what did he do during that time??? Then he says this: 'Trying to find a way to help with what I can afford.' Then he's logged off for 6.5 hrs, comes back & still ignores all the good advice w/out even a Thank you &still no update on the puppy! Then there's the select few group of people that can only focus on how bad he was treated, when the focus should be on the pup! Who are you to tell anyone else how to post or how to say things, all the while calling them names. Everyone is different & will do things their way, some people will be overly emotional, some will be calm & give honest opinions...

This is how it always plays out, new comer posts something in dire need (usually an emergency situation), poster #1 responds w/an option, then poster #2 gives a direct option in another view, poster #3 takes offense to poster #2, OP returns & pretty much attacks everyone that tried to help him/her! I found nothing wrong w/ magicgenie's post, what TONE? She even sympathized w/the OP saying that she also went through hard times...she didn't have to share that! Linda was nothing but helpful & showed genuine concern for this pup. She's helped & still helping sick pups while battling cancer herself. NOBODY told him to give up his dogs! The option was there if he needed it, why slap the hand that reached out to help? Rescues don't TAKE the pups away, the pups are SURRENDERED by their owner(s), the OP has a choice.

I am taking it that the pups are eating solid food by now, but since this pup wasn't doing so good from birth, the OP was giving the pup time alone w/momma to nurse. We don't know if it was hypoglycemia or if the pup has some other issues related to being a preemie or for being in the womb for too long, God knows what...this puppy needs vet care. Vet care that the OP can't afford, that's why he came looking for help in an online forum. Being nice or giving advice from little what we know about the situation will not save this puppy... PLEASE UPDATE...

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Oh, good grief, the magical word tone rears it's head again.

For all you newer folks, welcome to the world of an online forum where people can express their opinions. Like I said to the OP, use what you can and leave the rest behind.

You all have no idea what I am thinking or how I intend for things to come across...just let me tell you this: It takes a LOT of restraint for me to be polite to people who are obviously going to let a pup die while trying to make us sound like bad guys because we don't call them "good mommies" and say "you are doing all you can" when it is perfectly clear they are not. Yes, I am very direct and I make NO apologies for it. I don't believe in enabling. Period!

Sorry if that offends anyone. Use what you want and filter the rest out. And it would be a wonderful thing if members on here did not eat their own....if YOU dont like the TONE in another posters suggestion, you go in and make it YOUR job to soften it up and YOU do the enabling because many of us wont. But dont chastise the member, trying to make it look like the straight forward poster is horrible and cruel and rude and offensive. If you think the member poster was horrific, rather than attack that member (which in itself is passive aggressive behavior, aimed at stirring up discord, probably to make yourself look "kinder and gentler and more understanding....a better person"), report it....if it is solid, sound, accurate advice that is given straight forward and without embellishment, rudeness, crudeness, or insult, then it will stand.) The dogs and their welfare come first. There was nothing rude or impolite said to that poster.... he just did not like being told to surrender his dogs for their own welfare, and members dove in and stirred the pot by calling down other members. Report posts you think do not follow the guidlines, but dont call down another member's method of stating options and facts. We all express ourselves differently, and that is just the way it is. Concentrate on what the problem is that the poster has submitted, and not on harrassing and insulting another members response to that poster. YOU respond to the poster anyway you choose, but dont attack another members response!

[pstinard]

Originally Posted by Prince Toby

How Dare you bring up my baby boy Colby. I did not watch him die. I did everything for him except traveling far away with him to get an MRI that I was already told by not one but three vets would not help him because he was too brain damaged. I got him as a rescue. He could not walk when I got him. I spent hours on end working with him and got him walking. I took him to different vets because I didn't believe there was nothing that could be done for him. All 3 told me the same thing. I went through the emergency fund I had set aside. For your information before the 3rd vet told us he was suffering and there was nothing we could do but put him out of his misery we tried to find someone to take him, but everything happened so fast with him we never had a chance. I was even working with my friend who is a breeder. I miss him everyday. I cry every time I hear his name or walk by his urn, so do not make it seem like I didn't listen and just let him die. I have had enough of the way you talk to people on here. I do not care what kind of breeder you are you need to learn some understanding and compassion. If you were really thinking about these puppies you wouldn't run the poster off. I am done with this site. I thought I could share pics and stories and get advice when needed, but with people like you on here that is not possible.

Thank you for saying that. And please don't let a few arrogant and defensive people run you off--what they say tells you more about them than it does about you. There are more peaceful forums on this site. I think it is still safe to post photos and share stories...

[ladyjane]

What all of you do not understand is this: Posting an opinion to the OP who is asking for help is quite DIFFERENT from posting your opinion about another person's opinion.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Prince Toby

How Dare you bring up my baby boy Colby. I did not watch him die. I did everything for him except traveling far away with him to get an MRI that I was already told by not one but three vets would not help him because he was too brain damaged. I got him as a rescue. He could not walk when I got him. I spent hours on end working with him and got him walking. I took him to different vets because I didn't believe there was nothing that could be done for him. All 3 told me the same thing. I went through the emergency fund I had set aside. For your information before the 3rd vet told us he was suffering and there was nothing we could do but put him out of his misery we tried to find someone to take him, but everything happened so fast with him we never had a chance. I was even working with my friend who is a breeder. I miss him everyday. I cry every time I hear his name or walk by his urn, so do not make it seem like I didn't listen and just let him die. I have had enough of the way you talk to people on here. I do not care what kind of breeder you are you need to learn some understanding and compassion. If you were really thinking about these puppies you wouldn't run the poster off. I am done with this site. I thought I could share pics and stories and get advice when needed, but with people like you on here that is not possible.

I was not talking about your baby boy Colby just to talk. I was expressing my thoughts about how some of us try to explain what the repercussions can and will be and how others keep arguing with us like we don't know what we are talking about. I did stand on my head in that thread explaining things that I saw and people bashed me for that. That is ALL I am saying. I am not going to go back and reexamine the entire thread with you.

If someone opted to bring you into this and it ended up hurting your feelings ask yourself why.

This whole thread is a ridiculous mess just BECAUSE people, rather than posting their ideas and opinions to the OP, have decided to critique others who have opinions that differ from theirs.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Sorry if that offends anyone. Use what you want and filter the rest out. And it would be a wonderful thing if members on here did not eat their own....if YOU dont like the TONE in another posters suggestion, you go in and make it YOUR job to soften it up and YOU do the enabling because many of us wont. But dont chastise the member, trying to make it look like the straight forward poster is horrible and cruel and rude and offensive. If you think the member poster was horrific, rather than attack that member (which in itself is passive aggressive behavior, aimed at stirring up discord, probably to make yourself look "kinder and gentler and more understanding....a better person"), report it....if it is solid, sound, accurate advice that is given straight forward and without embellishment, rudeness, crudeness, or insult, then it will stand.) The dogs and their welfare come first. There was nothing rude or impolite said to that poster.... he just did not like being told to surrender his dogs for their own welfare, and members dove in and stirred the pot by calling down other members. Report posts you think do not follow the guidlines, but dont call down another member's method of stating options and facts. We all express ourselves differently, and that is just the way it is. Concentrate on what the problem is that the poster has submitted, and not on harrassing and insulting another members response to that poster. YOU respond to the poster anyway you choose, but dont attack another members response!

Exactly! How difficult is it? Sheesh

[ladyjane]

OP.......How is your puppy today?