What if he swallowed glass?

[shelimcallister]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

1) This may sound "a bit off" to some, but it is a treatment that has been used for YEARS in human medicine as well as vet medicine. I was a "vet tech" before such a profession existed, from 1966-1970, and this was something that was done on numerous occasions. New graduate vets may not be familiar with this particular practice, but it is NOT something that was dreamed up or invented by people hell bent on killing pets on YorkieTalk!

2) I have NEVER submitted ANYTHING to ANYONE on this forum, under the pretense or the insinuation that I am a vet. Everything I have ever passed on to anyone with issues or questions, has been information I have either garnered from first hand experience or from incidences related to me from professional sources. TO IMPLY THAT I NEED TO JUSTIFY, WITH A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ATTENDING PHYSICIANS, VETERNARIANS, OR VET SURGEONS, SO CONFRONTATIONAL, OVER ZEALOUS PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM CAN THEN CONTACT THESE PROFESSIONALS IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THEM OR ME, IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS!

3) When I come on this forum and offer to share experiences that I personally have had and ANY treatments I have used because of these experiences, the implication that I would intentionally advise anyone on here to do something that would cause harm to their pet out of sheer ignorance or based on some kind of "a bit off" voo-doo medical practice, is offensive, mean spirited, overtly aggressive and confrontational. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH A PARTICULAR TREATMENT, OR JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH SOMETHING ANYONE ELSE OFFERS AS A SOLUTION THAT WAS SHARED BECAUSE IT CAME FROM QUALIFIED VET COUNCEL, DOES NOT MEAN IT IS STUPID OR "A BIT OFF" or invalid.

4) I am in no way trying to make YOU look like an idiot or question everything you contribute to any conversation on this forum. You have a following on here which is wonderful....it is not anything I feel I need, or am striving to acquire. I certainly did not join this forum to establish a "following". If anyone reads anything I post, and it helps them in their quandry, or helps their pet, then I am thrilled for them. I can guarantee you NOTHING I ever post will do harm to their pet. They may not agree with my advice or recommendation, and that is fine. I do not have any intention of providing you or anyone else, with a list of ANY professionals I have gained an effective working knowledge base from OVER MANY YEARS, not because, as implied, they simply do not exist, but because there actually are zealots on this forum that have the unmittigated gall to think they can then attack these professional people personally, simply because THEY have the pompous attitude that THEY are are know all - be all - do all- authorities on everything, and they offer the only valid solution to any problem presented! Just because THEY are not familiar with, or just because the vets THEY use, do not do it, are not familiar with it, or choose to apply another methodology of treatment, does not make any and all other solutions offered, invalid, ridiculous, or unheard of.

My participation on this forum is becoming more of a situation where I am being asked to "justify" my positions or my solutions or my recommedations. It is then backe up with a challenge to not do so, automatically makes me and the suggestion, "a bit off" or invalid. I no longer have the time or the interest in having my suggestions or my input on this forum, being challenged and me being put in a position of providing justification for my entries, backed by a bibliography of "qualified" professionals, so that those professionals can then be publically discredited or humiliated. I leave it to you ladyjane, to supply ANY and ALL the information anyone going on this site for help, ever needs to know or hear....just YOUR angle, YOUR information, YOUR infallible methods...you have the best vets, the best information, the best solutions for everyone that comes on here for help. God forbid, someone with any other ideas or solutions should offer any other ideas, without first clearing that information and the sources of that information, with "ladyjane" for validity, usefullness, or safety.....because if SHE has not approved it, or seen it, or heard of it, or if HER circle of professionals do not do it, then it most certainly is not accurate or a valid method of treatment. I never got on here to become involved in contests with other members of who knows the most about everything. I have no intention of getting into a pizzing contest with other members about help I offer. I am done with this. I am outta here with my "bit off" suggestions, even if they do come from professional sources that are NOT quacks in professional circles.

I hope I did not offend you in any way by saying that it sounded weird or writing "Haha" because I did not mean anything towards your advice. I was laughing at the "rock brain" comment. I see your posts all the time and value your obvious knowledge. Please don't stop posting your advice!!

[msyorktown]

OP how is your baby doing today...did you get to the vet?

[concretegurl]

Yorkiemom1 you dont have to justify your opinions or experience some people claim other pose as experts...its ironic.

I dont agree with what your vet recomended but hey thats everyones right, especially on an open forum.

[grapeguzzler]

Well he has been fine all day. Barking jumping long walks and both poo and pee no blood or sign. If I had absolute proof he had swallowed the glass, I would have rushed him to ER. It was the not sure he did problem and then what to do from there.

[lillymae]

Glad to hear all is well. Please continue to monitor stools & IF you see blood or even diarrhea, please get him to the vet.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I don't know why someone would not want to justify something that sounds a bit off.
No one should do something for/to their pet or to themselves without knowing it is a professional who recommended it. At least that is my personal opinion and I will continue to say that and recommend a vet for emergency situations such as the ingestion of glass.

It does not matter if it sounds off to you & no one told the OP to feed her pup cotton. If you can find a/the post where someone did, I would like to see it, she simply stated what her VET had her do, not what she did for her dog after reading it on some website. I have said before & will continue to say it, the vet I worked for used the cotton for any small sharp object that was ingested & it HAD to be real cotton & was given according to the size of the animal. I do not have proof to show you as we did not record it. You can choose to believe it or not, it matters not to me. I will not give you the name of the vet I worked for, as he has better things to do with his time then answer your silly questions. Unfortunately the ER Dr that my Aunt took my cousin to did not video that either, but I can tell you that the cotton saved my cousin from having to be cut open needlessly as it did just what the Dr said it would do & wrapped itself around the screw , saving his intestines from severe damage.The best thing anyone can do if their pup swallows any sharp object is get to their vet/ER asap & follow the instructions of the Dr. wether it be to feed bread, peanut butter, cotton or canned dog food.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by 107barney

And so are you...going on and on!!!

Ah exactly what do you think you are doing!

[Lisa and Pic]

I have to admit, that when I first started reading this thread this morning, my first reaction about the cotton was... Oh, that is just an "urban myth." For the life of me, I cannot imagine why a doc would recommend using cotton instead of something that could be digested, such as bread. Of course, in no way, shape or form, do I have any vet or human medical training.

But, since there are a few testimonials about this being recommended by vets on this thread, I would love to know the history of where/when this was taught in vet school. I wonder if it is an "old school" practice and maybe not considered "best practice" any more? Anyway, since one of Piccolo's vets is "old school" I cannot wait to ask him about the history of this and also ask my newly certified friend in a human ER (MD), if he was taught anything about using cotton with glass in an Emergency Room.

Just my two cents...

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by lillymae

It does not matter if it sounds off to you & no one told the OP to feed her pup cotton. If you can find a/the post where someone did, I would like to see it, she simply stated what her VET had her do, not what she did for her dog after reading it on some website. I have said before & will continue to say it, the vet I worked for used the cotton for any small sharp object that was ingested & it HAD to be real cotton & was given according to the size of the animal. I do not have proof to show you as we did not record it. You can choose to believe it or not, it matters not to me. I will not give you the name of the vet I worked for, as he has better things to do with his time then answer your silly questions. Unfortunately the ER Dr that my Aunt took my cousin to did not video that either, but I can tell you that the cotton saved my cousin from having to be cut open needlessly as it did just what the Dr said it would do & wrapped itself around the screw , saving his intestines from severe damage.The best thing anyone can do if their pup swallows any sharp object is get to their vet/ER asap & follow the instructions of the Dr. wether it be to feed bread, peanut butter, cotton or canned dog food.

Actually, it does matter. If I can save the life of one pup by my warnings to go to a vet before attempting such a "treatment", then it is all worth it.

If you go back and read my first post in this thread, you will see that I did just that.....

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/3995517-post8.html

You are the one who decided to turn this into something else as you did the last time I issued the same warning about this "treatment".

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...han-never.html

You also swear it is a valid treatment yet to date I have not been able to verify it, so I will continue to post my warnings. I do think it sounds off...and while it may be a valid treatment, I have no proof of that and will give the other side of this whenever I happen to see it. Now, if one of you can give me some credible proof that this is a safe and reasonable treatment, that would be something I am interested in.

[chachi]

There is nothing wrong with posting a warning about something someone else has posted. Whats wrong is challenging someone or implying they are lying because they dont post a vet name. Honestly if you looked at it the way someone else may be seeing that you would see why others dont like it. It comes accross like you think your knowlege is superior to anyone else on this forum and its a turn off. Its not just you there are others that do it too. If I dont agree with a post I just post what I think would be the correct thing to do and leave it at that I dont challenge someone. The Op can read through all the info and sort it out and posts challenging someone isnt helping them with theyre problem at all anyway

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chachi

There is nothing wrong with posting a warning about something someone else has posted. Whats wrong is challenging someone or implying they are lying because they dont post a vet name. Honestly if you looked at it the way someone else may be seeing that you would see why others dont like it. It comes accross like you think your knowlege is superior to anyone else on this forum and its a turn off. Its not just you there are others that do it too. If I dont agree with a post I just post what I think would be the correct thing to do and leave it at that I dont challenge someone. The Op can read through all the info and sort it out and posts challenging someone isnt helping them with theyre problem at all anyway

Again, go read my first post on this thread. As for you and your accusations and/or insinuations of my motives, I am quite finished.

I believe that this thread turned into more of a bash ladyjane fest than anything else. It's all good though because I am not here to win a popularity contest as one person alleged. It's all about the pups. I voiced my opinion and someone got defensive and another person challenged me. ...nothing new.

[Lisa and Pic]

Originally Posted by chachi

There is nothing wrong with posting a warning about something someone else has posted. Whats wrong is challenging someone or implying they are lying because they dont post a vet name. Honestly if you looked at it the way someone else may be seeing that you would see why others dont like it. It comes accross like you think your knowlege is superior to anyone else on this forum and its a turn off. Its not just you there are others that do it too. If I dont agree with a post I just post what I think would be the correct thing to do and leave it at that I dont challenge someone. The Op can read through all the info and sort it out and posts challenging someone isnt helping them with theyre problem at all anyway

I do not read it that way at all, Chachi. My interpretation is totally different.

I do not feel LJ is throwing out a superior attitude, it feels like she is expressing concern for a pup's safety to me. (and I see nothing wrong with that.)

Just my opinion...

[ladyjane]

This is futile. As I said yesterday, it takes two to tango. For now, I am finished dancing on this thread. Time to put this nonsense to rest....

If anyone does happen to have some information on this topic, please PM me because, as I have said repeatedly, I welcome that.

[kjc]

Originally Posted by Lisa and Pic

I have to admit, that when I first started reading this thread this morning, my first reaction about the cotton was... Oh, that is just an "urban myth." For the life of me, I cannot imagine why a doc would recommend using cotton instead of something that could be digested, such as bread. Of course, in no way, shape or form, do I have any vet or human medical training.

But, since there are a few testimonials about this being recommended by vets on this thread, I would love to know the history of where/when this was taught in vet school. I wonder if it is an "old school" practice and maybe not considered "best practice" any more? Anyway, since one of Piccolo's vets is "old school" I cannot wait to ask him about the history of this and also ask my newly certified friend in a human ER (MD), if he was taught anything about using cotton with glass in an Emergency Room.

Just my two cents...

This is exactly what I was thinking too! I was thinking the bread would be digested though and not offer any protection from the glass towards the end of it's journey. But fiber is not digestable, so I guess they figured out this is the safest alternative? IDK, but I am very interested to hear what you learn from your vet and your friend.

[Wylie's Mom]

Just want to clarify a few things since this thread is a bit heated. Everybody likely already knows this, but just to reiterate: YT does fully support the sharing of opinions, experiences, ideas, whatnot...in as far as that's possible (meaning - we wouldn't support someone who has an 'idea' to hurt someone, obviously).

Members are welcome to question a member's suggestion - but YT would ask that they try to do so respectfully. No one should feel they have to justify their suggestions - bc we're not here to decide what is the right or wrong answer....no one here has the ability - over the internet - to decide that (whether a vet etc or not).

It goes both ways here in the ER section - we all have to try harder to keep our cool when/if we don't agree with or support one thing or another. Again, people are welcome to share whatever they want to share - and they should be treated respectfully and post respectfully. Likewise, people are welcome to question other posters regarding their suggestions - and they should post respectfully to that person and be treated respectfully.

And at this point, some of you will ask me or someone else what "respectfully" means. Okay (I'll use a Food convo as an example):

Not respectful: That's hogwash, I've never seen this diet supported anywhere. What proof do you have? I sure hope you read up on this bc you're probably hurting your dog. Shame on you! (yup, I've seen that tone a billion times!)

Respectful: I'm not sure I agree with this method, bc the diet might not be balanced - for example the fat content may be high. Do you have any links I could read? Here are a few links that may be helpful for you: blahbleedogfoodblahblee.com

Seriously, I feel like a dork posting that elementary stuff - but I don't know what else to do sometimes. Bc if I don't post some kind of example - then people start posting on the thread about "well, my idea of respectfully is this, while someone else's is that" -- NOT helpful or productive. This board belongs to ADMIN, and I'm pretty sure they're clear on what it means to be blatantly disrespectful. If anyone doesn't know what that means, don't worry about it - bc other people do.

And come on guys - stop attacking each other. It makes you look bad, it makes YT look bad, and it scares the crap out of some people - how helpful is that? Knock it off. If you're ticked off, you need to get off the forum and pull yourself together and then come back and post, if still desired. It's that simple.