What if he swallowed glass?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by lillymae

Don't feel like you need to justify your actions. I was a tech for many yrs & the cotton is what we used for most sharp objects. Also when my cousin was little he swallowed a screw & my Aunt took him to the ER & YES they fed him cotton rite there at the ER & sent my aunt home with some to continue to feed him for the next 2 days. BUT it has to be real cotton, not the imitation.

I don't know why someone would not want to justify something that sounds a bit off.
No one should do something for/to their pet or to themselves without knowing it is a professional who recommended it. At least that is my personal opinion and I will continue to say that and recommend a vet for emergency situations such as the ingestion of glass.

[GeorgiesMomma]

OP how's your sweet boy doing?

[Lolasmom1211]

I , too, have seen this treatment of cotton balls for swallowing glass / sharp objects. It seems so strange to me because if one of my babies ate a cotton ball, I think I'd be taking them to the vet for fear of an intestional blockage! I did decide to ask my daughter, an ER physician at one of the busiest trauma centers in the country, if they ever treat patients, children or adults, with cotton for swallowing glass or sharp objects. Her response to me was "We don't routinely stock cotton balls for human consumption." She then asked me how the cotton would surround the glass? Her next response was "Your esophagus and stomach constantly peristalses. The patient would need to be observed / imaged to see where the object was." She then said she was scared to ask me where I had heard of this "remedy". She also has two yorkies and said she would immediately take them to the vet or emergency clinic if she suspected they had swallowed glass or any sharp object. Just another opinion on the cotton ball treatment. I hope your little guy is OK this morning!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I don't know why someone would not want to justify something that sounds a bit off.
No one should do something for/to their pet or to themselves without knowing it is a professional who recommended it. At least that is my personal opinion and I will continue to say that and recommend a vet for emergency situations such as the ingestion of glass.

1) This may sound "a bit off" to some, but it is a treatment that has been used for YEARS in human medicine as well as vet medicine. I was a "vet tech" before such a profession existed, from 1966-1970, and this was something that was done on numerous occasions. New graduate vets may not be familiar with this particular practice, but it is NOT something that was dreamed up or invented by people hell bent on killing pets on YorkieTalk!

2) I have NEVER submitted ANYTHING to ANYONE on this forum, under the pretense or the insinuation that I am a vet. Everything I have ever passed on to anyone with issues or questions, has been information I have either garnered from first hand experience or from incidences related to me from professional sources. TO IMPLY THAT I NEED TO JUSTIFY, WITH A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ATTENDING PHYSICIANS, VETERNARIANS, OR VET SURGEONS, SO CONFRONTATIONAL, OVER ZEALOUS PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM CAN THEN CONTACT THESE PROFESSIONALS IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THEM OR ME, IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS!

3) When I come on this forum and offer to share experiences that I personally have had and ANY treatments I have used because of these experiences, the implication that I would intentionally advise anyone on here to do something that would cause harm to their pet out of sheer ignorance or based on some kind of "a bit off" voo-doo medical practice, is offensive, mean spirited, overtly aggressive and confrontational. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH A PARTICULAR TREATMENT, OR JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH SOMETHING ANYONE ELSE OFFERS AS A SOLUTION THAT WAS SHARED BECAUSE IT CAME FROM QUALIFIED VET COUNCEL, DOES NOT MEAN IT IS STUPID OR "A BIT OFF" or invalid.

4) I am in no way trying to make YOU look like an idiot or question everything you contribute to any conversation on this forum. You have a following on here which is wonderful....it is not anything I feel I need, or am striving to acquire. I certainly did not join this forum to establish a "following". If anyone reads anything I post, and it helps them in their quandry, or helps their pet, then I am thrilled for them. I can guarantee you NOTHING I ever post will do harm to their pet. They may not agree with my advice or recommendation, and that is fine. I do not have any intention of providing you or anyone else, with a list of ANY professionals I have gained an effective working knowledge base from OVER MANY YEARS, not because, as implied, they simply do not exist, but because there actually are zealots on this forum that have the unmittigated gall to think they can then attack these professional people personally, simply because THEY have the pompous attitude that THEY are are know all - be all - do all- authorities on everything, and they offer the only valid solution to any problem presented! Just because THEY are not familiar with, or just because the vets THEY use, do not do it, are not familiar with it, or choose to apply another methodology of treatment, does not make any and all other solutions offered, invalid, ridiculous, or unheard of.

My participation on this forum is becoming more of a situation where I am being asked to "justify" my positions or my solutions or my recommedations. It is then backe up with a challenge to not do so, automatically makes me and the suggestion, "a bit off" or invalid. I no longer have the time or the interest in having my suggestions or my input on this forum, being challenged and me being put in a position of providing justification for my entries, backed by a bibliography of "qualified" professionals, so that those professionals can then be publically discredited or humiliated. I leave it to you ladyjane, to supply ANY and ALL the information anyone going on this site for help, ever needs to know or hear....just YOUR angle, YOUR information, YOUR infallible methods...you have the best vets, the best information, the best solutions for everyone that comes on here for help. God forbid, someone with any other ideas or solutions should offer any other ideas, without first clearing that information and the sources of that information, with "ladyjane" for validity, usefullness, or safety.....because if SHE has not approved it, or seen it, or heard of it, or if HER circle of professionals do not do it, then it most certainly is not accurate or a valid method of treatment. I never got on here to become involved in contests with other members of who knows the most about everything. I have no intention of getting into a pizzing contest with other members about help I offer. I am done with this. I am outta here with my "bit off" suggestions, even if they do come from professional sources that are NOT quacks in professional circles.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

1) This may sound "a bit off" to some, but it is a treatment that has been used for YEARS in human medicine as well as vet medicine. I was a "vet tech" before such a profession existed, from 1966-1970, and this was something that was done on numerous occasions. New graduate vets may not be familiar with this particular practice, but it is NOT something that was dreamed up or invented by people hell bent on killing pets on YorkieTalk!
2) I have NEVER submitted ANYTHING to ANYONE on this forum, under the pretense or the insinuation that I am a vet. Everything I have ever passed on to anyone with issues or questions, has been information I have either garnered from first hand experience or from incidences related to me from professional sources. TO IMPLY THAT I NEED TO JUSTIFY, WITH A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ATTENDING PHYSICIANS, VETERNARIANS, OR VET SURGEONS, SO CONFRONTATIONAL, OVER ZEALOUS PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM CAN THEN CONTACT THESE PROFESSIONALS IN AN ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THEM OR ME, IS ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS!
3) When I come on this forum and offer to share experiences that I personally have had and ANY treatments I have used because of these experiences, the implication that I would intentionally advise anyone on here to do something that would cause harm to their pet out of sheer ignorance or based on some kind of "a bit off" voo-doo medical practice, is offensive, mean spirited, overtly aggressive and confrontational. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH A PARTICULAR TREATMENT, OR JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH SOMETHING ANYONE ELSE OFFERS AS A SOLUTION THAT WAS SHARED BECAUSE IT CAME FROM QUALIFIED VET COUNCEL, DOES NOT MEAN IT IS STUPID OR "A BIT OFF" or invalid.
4) I am in no way trying to make YOU look like an idiot or question everything you contribute to any conversation on this forum. You have a following on here which is wonderful....it is not anything I feel I need, or am striving to acquire. I certainly did not join this forum to establish a "following". If anyone reads anything I post, and it helps them in their quandry, or helps their pet, then I am thrilled for them. I can guarantee you NOTHING I ever post will do harm to their pet. They may not agree with my advice or recommendation, and that is fine. I do not have any intention of providing you or anyone else, with a list of ANY professionals I have gained an effective working knowledge base from OVER MANY YEARS, not because, as implied, they simply do not exist, but because there actually are zealots on this forum that have the unmittigated gall to think they can then attack these professional people personally, simply because THEY have the pompous attitude that THEY are are know all - be all - do all- authorities on everything, and they offer the only valid solution to any problem presented! Just because THEY are not familiar with, or just because the vets THEY use, do not do it, are not familiar with it, or choose to apply another methodology of treatment, does not make any and all other solutions offered, invalid, ridiculous, or unheard of.
My participation on this forum is becoming more of a situation where I am being asked to "justify" my positions or my solutions or my recommedations. It is then backe up with a challenge to not do so, automatically makes me and the suggestion, "a bit off" or invalid. I no longer have the time or the interest in having my suggestions or my input on this forum, being challenged and me being put in a position of providing justification for my entries, backed by a bibliography of "qualified" professionals, so that those professionals can then be publically discredited or humiliated. I leave it to you ladyjane, to supply ANY and ALL the information anyone going on this site for help, ever needs to know or hear....just YOUR angle, YOUR information, YOUR infallible methods...you have the best vets, the best information, the best solutions for everyone that comes on here for help. God forbid, someone with any other ideas or solutions should offer any other ideas, without first clearing that information and the sources of that information, with "ladyjane" for validity, usefullness, or safety.....because if SHE has not approved it, or seen it, or heard of it, or if HER circle of professionals do not do it, then it most certainly is not accurate or a valid method of treatment. I never got on here to become involved in contests with other members of who knows the most about everything. I have no intention of getting into a pizzing contest with other members about help I offer. I am done with this. I am outta here with my "bit off" suggestions, even if they do come from professional sources that are NOT quacks in professional circles.

I hope you continue to help others. No one on here is superior to anyone else when it comes to knowlege although sometimes it comes accross That someone is. You just have to ignore those posts and post your advice. I know if admin saw this thread theY would say the same or similar.

[lolassister]

As someone who works in an EC- please always seek medical treatment in an emergency. If you choose to provide medical advice or suggestions- I find it absolutely imperative to provide evidence based medicine. No reason to be defensive. Provide your evidence or don't suggest options that people might follow. There's liability in that. Granted we are talking about dogs, not humans, but there is an ethical and moral responsilibity in suggesting treatment options. Please take that into consideration. I do see some defensive responses in here who are still offering suggestions without being about to support it. Please read skepticism in that from my response. It took an entire 30 seconds to google this answer. Michigan Veterinary Specialists - Gastrointestinal Foreign Body
I am not a vet. I was not trained in veterinary medicine. I would offer this- if you present to the ED with a complaint would you rather a physician willing to explain his/her reasoning or one that dismisses concern without explanation? I know where I stand, and will back up my medical suggestions with evidence. I have to. I will repeat- please seek treatment if you find yourself in a medical emergency. Or your dogs. That's why people go to school for this. Also, if newer MD's don't know about a treatment or therapy, it's likely not because they missed that day of class- it's likely because it is an outdated practice and no longer recognized as standard of care. For example- shoving a garden size tube down someone's throat to pump a stomach. Medicine is constantly evolving and changing and certain practices fall in and out of favor. No need to respond to this with inflammatory capital letters- just my 2 cents, for what they are worth. If it were either of my two guys- I'd be sitting in the EC with them. To who started this post, I hope your baby is doing well.

[lolassister]

Also, of note, cotton balls can, in themselves, provide problems if ingested in animals this small. Proceed with caution.

[chachi]

No one told her to use the cotton ball method. No one told her not to go to a vet. Someone just relayed her own experience on here and what the ER vet told her to do. I dont understand why feathers were ruffled on here. There is room on here for someone to post their own experience

[lolassister]

My original response is pending approval. Please review once posted- not sure why on hold.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by lolassister

My original response is pending approval. Please review once posted- not sure why on hold.

That happens when you dont have many posts they review the posts as a means to control spam from getting on here. Keep posting because It will stop happening when you have so many posts. I dont know the number of how many though

[kjc]

Originally Posted by chachi

That happens when you dont have many posts they review the posts as a means to control spam from getting on here. Keep posting because It will stop happening when you have so many posts. I dont know the number of how many though

I think it's 15...

[kjc]

Originally Posted by chachi

I hope you continue to help others. No one on here is superior to anyone else when it comes to knowlege although sometimes it comes accross That someone is. You just have to ignore those posts and post your advice. I know if admin saw this thread theY would say the same or similar.

[ladyjane]

Yorkiemom1 I am not going to quote your personal attack post....yes, it IS a personal attack. I am simply going to call it as I see it. I dare to ask where you got your information? There are plenty of posts on this forum of people asking for supportive information when someone posts something. I have seen many of those lately....and people simply answered. They did not come back and attack the person who asked.

I stand by what I said....until I find a professional in veterinary medicine who can back up this cotton ball "treatment" I will not do it and will continue to question it. Of course, I would not really do what a person online told me to do anyway but many would. I have seen this stuff come up before and rather than ignore it, I post advice suggesting that IF people want to follow this advice, they should consult with their vet. That's ALL. Not sure why you have chosen to attack me personally because I asked you for supportive documentation. I "do" think it sounds a bit off...so what?????

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chachi

No one told her to use the cotton ball method. No one told her not to go to a vet. Someone just relayed her own experience on here and what the ER vet told her to do. I dont understand why feathers were ruffled on here. There is room on here for someone to post their own experience

And since many vets I have spoken with felt it was not a reasonable thing to do, I posted saying JUST THAT. I asked for supportive documentation...instead I got lamblasted for daring to question something. I really WOULD like to find a vet who could tell me this is a treatment used....also now that someone is suggesting it is useful in human medicine I would also like to have that information.

I don't understand how people get so upset...why so defensive? Simply state where you got the information. How hard is that? sheesh

[chachi]

You did demandl her to justify it and no one has to justify anything to anyone on here but admin and mods. There is no one else on here superior to them to
ask someone to justify something