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02-27-2012, 08:45 AM | #31 | |
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02-27-2012, 08:52 AM | #32 | |
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I have had more than one pup with chronic renal issues. It all boils down to lab numbers and your vet SHOULD know how to treat renal failure. Sounds like you are driving yourself and your pup crazy. Seriously. You cannot be forcing water on her...she will drink enough I am so sure. And she gets it in her food, too. IF she gets into numbers that require fluids I am quite sure the vet will recommend it. As for the Mirtazapine, I speak from experience. Yes, it is an anti depressant. It has been used for many years on dogs and cats. It helps the nausea and stimulates the appetite. As for how it is metabolized, I personally think you are thinking too hard on this. It works and I have used it on renal challenged pups...and it HELPED them immensely. Don't just go read about it...ask the vet. If you don't want to use it ...hey that is your call. It was merely a recommendation because I have used it and it saved my pup's life when he would not eat....I also know others who have used it. You really seem to be trying to treat this pup yourself and while I think we all need to be educated consumers, we cannot take the place of a licensed veterinarian.
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02-27-2012, 09:54 AM | #33 |
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| I am in contact with my vet. I am NOT diagnosing and self treating my dog. I have spoken with my vet about everything she is currently taking. I am not just giving her stuff to experiment. I know you are try to help LadyJane but this last post was just rude. Sorry to bother you. It is not like you are mandated to answer my questions. I am not PMing you presently with specific questions. You are free to not answer any questions I have. I am NOT forcing her to drink. The bowl is put in front of her. It is not like I am placing a tube into her stomach to force food and water into her. Sorry to have irked you. You may have experience with this but I don't. That is why I am asking. My vet said I should educate myself and he would speak with me and answer my questions when the latest tests come back hopefully today. I know he said the BUN and Creatine were very high which is why he wanted to do more testing. I just want the VERY BEST for my Zoey.
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02-27-2012, 11:04 AM | #34 | |
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If you don't like what I say and consider it rude, I am sorry. I am merely trying to help because honestly you DO sound like you are doing things on your own. While you say that you are in touch with your vet, you clearly don't like what the vet is doing because you said you are going to īnsist on subcutaneous fluids.
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02-27-2012, 07:58 PM | #36 |
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| I'm so sorry that you and your baby are going through this. My little Heidi lived for 3 1/2 years after being diagnosed with chronic renal failure. Her BUN and creatinine were really high and after 3 days of IV's at the vet we were sent home to do sub-q fluids twice a day with some other meds (enalapril and azodyl and vitamins). We eventually went to fluids every day. It was a hard road and there were several times that I almost lost her but I got 3 1/2 more years with my precious girl. She was just a few days away from 18 yrs when I had to make that terrible decision for her. I wish I had known to ask for the drug that would stimulate her appetite because it got to where she just didn't want to eat. I'll keep you and your baby in my thoughts and prayers. |
02-28-2012, 11:18 AM | #37 | |
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02-28-2012, 11:58 AM | #38 |
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| good luck to you!!! I just lost my toy poodle to renal failure it was devestating. My poodle had sub q fluids and the vet had to balance the fluids with heart failure(a side effect of IV fluids) Lucky for us we had the option to take her to an internest who kept her alive for an additional 15 days, when the quality of her life was nil we had to put her down. Dogs can live with renal failure for years and the sub q fluids can be done at home. do your research and ask enough questions that you can use the internet for more information. |
02-28-2012, 12:06 PM | #39 | |
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02-28-2012, 12:11 PM | #40 |
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| I agree with that! Sending best wishes and prayers to you and little Zoey.
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02-28-2012, 02:11 PM | #41 | |
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02-28-2012, 02:53 PM | #42 |
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| It is important that she eats - maybe even if it isn't the renal food, but there are still things that need to be avoided. Bacon is an absolute nono for dogs. Mayo is a concern, etc. Feeding the wrong thing could cause some very serious issues (aside from harming the kidneys more). If she is really preferring human food and will eat it, then I'd go ahead and talk to a board certified veterinary nutritionist. I know Dr. Rebecca Remillard has a special interest in kidneys. She would be an extremely good choice. I think if her numbers are "very high" and she had the kidney disease breath, your thinking about fluids is probably right. You can always go for a second opinion if you think your vet isn't doing things correctly (I think that would be a much better idea than insisting on something). A veterinary school or at least an internal medicine specialist is a really solid direction along wtih a nutritionist. NF is great..if she will eat it. Also though, she may not be thirsty with the current diet. When my girl eats wet food, she rarely drinks.
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02-28-2012, 03:59 PM | #43 |
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| Pups in renal failure often do not have an appetite no matter what you feed them. That is why I suggested speaking with the vet about mirtazapine. It is not given long term...it is given to stimulate the appetite. I have seen pups take that medicine and eat anything put in front of them. One friend of mine said it was like a miracle...and it is...my Cody would eat nothing....once he started on that he tried to eat my vet's plants when we went there. It was unbelievable. It is very important that they eat, but not just any food because it can make them sicker. That is the reason I suggested that medication.
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02-28-2012, 04:20 PM | #44 |
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| I spoke with my vet about the Mirtazapine. He said he is not familiar with this medication himself for use with renal failure and needs to look it to it. He said he does not know what the proper dosage range for a yorkie with Renal Failure would be so he will get back to me.
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02-28-2012, 04:23 PM | #45 | |
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