Bentley has Demodex! EWWW

[dwerten]

Here is the story about Sunny

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/mem...fer-boy-3.html

[RachelandSadie]

so i relooked at his chart just to be sure and sure enough it WAS the fecal sample that they diagnosed from. i don't know how, but we did not do a skin scrape on him to find out that it's what it was. he got a fecal with parasites and giardia sent to Antech diagnostics and it came back positive for demodex????? i know it sounds like it's not true, but i swear that's what happened. the only thing would be if they somehow did a skin scrape when i wasn't looking

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

so i relooked at his chart just to be sure and sure enough it WAS the fecal sample that they diagnosed from. i don't know how, but we did not do a skin scrape on him to find out that it's what it was. he got a fecal with parasites and giardia sent to Antech diagnostics and it came back positive for demodex????? i know it sounds like it's not true, but i swear that's what happened. the only thing would be if they somehow did a skin scrape when i wasn't looking

you might want to call Antech lab as maybe they made a typo as i really do not think you can determine demodex in a fecal sorry

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by dwerten

you might want to call Antech lab as maybe they made a typo as i really do not think you can determine demodex in a fecal sorry

you CAN definitely find demodex mites in a fecal. they will be dead, obviously, but they can be there.

whether you can make the determination that the dog has mange because its found in the stool is debatable.

Personally, i would want a skin scraping done on the spots with thinning hair or lesions if there are any.

Does Bentley have any such spots?

[dwerten]

http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/pdf...%28West%29.pdf

here is the form from antech

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

you CAN definitely find demodex mites in a fecal. they will be dead, obviously, but they can be there.

whether you can make the determination that the dog has mange because its found in the stool is debatable.

Personally, i would want a skin scraping done on the spots with thinning hair or lesions if there are any.

Does Bentley have any such spots?

but demodex is in the hair follicles ? How does that get in the stool? Where did you find that info? As on antech site now

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by dwerten

but demodex is in the hair follicles ? How does that get in the stool? Where did you find that info? As on antech site now

they can ingest them from licking i guess.

my information was on a slide under a microscope while reading a fecal. i've seen them

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

they can ingest them from licking i guess.

my information was on a slide under a microscope while reading a fecal. i've seen them

wow i learn something new every day lol I have never heard of that before - wild
so why do most vets and derms not use this for demodex and use skin scraping if it can determine this?

should not have posted that now we are all going to overnight our fecals to you lollllll

do you do urinalysis too lol have a funny story on that one when i was sitting at jean dodds office the receptionist was getting urine by overnight and one person sent in a tupperware tub it was NASTY lol and they did not seal it well and receptionist was all pissed off no pund intended lolllll

[kalina82]

Originally Posted by dwerten

wow i learn something new every day lol I have never heard of that before - wild
so why do most vets and derms not use this for demodex and use skin scraping if it can determine this?

should not have posted that now we are all going to overnight our fecals to you lollllll

do you do urinalysis too lol have a funny story on that one when i was sitting at jean dodds office the receptionist was getting urine by overnight and one person sent in a tupperware tub it was NASTY lol and they did not seal it well and receptionist was all pissed off no pund intended lolllll

heh, i haven't read a fecal in years. didn't need to do general stuff in surgery. i gave that to the lab guy downstairs if i needed it. i did have to read urine dip sticks and specific gravity but anyone can do that. i usually gave that to the lab guy to and said call me in 5 min when its done. its good to have in house lab techs.

i've had urine and stool brought in in every container possible. quite gross sometimes. i was once handed a flat folded up piece of tin foil. i thought it was poop....it was not. i opened it and pee spilled all over the counter. i've also been given wet paper towels in a sandwich bag too. seriously, what am i suppose to do, wring it out into a test tube?

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by kalina82

heh, i haven't read a fecal in years. didn't need to do general stuff in surgery. i gave that to the lab guy downstairs if i needed it. i did have to read urine dip sticks and specific gravity but anyone can do that. i usually gave that to the lab guy to and said call me in 5 min when its done. its good to have in house lab techs.

i've had urine and stool brought in in every container possible. quite gross sometimes. i was once handed a flat folded up piece of tin foil. i thought it was poop....it was not. i opened it and pee spilled all over the counter. i've also been given wet paper towels in a sandwich bag too. seriously, what am i suppose to do, wring it out into a test tube?

Oh gosh...you just made me laugh. I always tease the people at my vet...I have seen people come in with the craziest containers with specimens.
I always love the big trash bags.
I swear I could not do that. They would have to open it and give me a normal sized specimen in the right container.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by kalina82

heh, i haven't read a fecal in years. didn't need to do general stuff in surgery. i gave that to the lab guy downstairs if i needed it. i did have to read urine dip sticks and specific gravity but anyone can do that. i usually gave that to the lab guy to and said call me in 5 min when its done. its good to have in house lab techs.

i've had urine and stool brought in in every container possible. quite gross sometimes. i was once handed a flat folded up piece of tin foil. i thought it was poop....it was not. i opened it and pee spilled all over the counter. i've also been given wet paper towels in a sandwich bag too. seriously, what am i suppose to do, wring it out into a test tube?

eweeee ok i think you have my story beat by a mile lolllll

where is that lab guy now is he your DH lollll

[RachelandSadie]

so i did ask the vet about the fecal thing again. she said that only like 2-3 cases have ever shown up demodex in a fecal. it's because when he bites at the itching wounds he injested some of the mites into his body which come out in his stool. that's the only possible way other than a skin scrape, they have starting treating him based on the fecal but we do promeris once every two weeks for three rounds and then wait 4 weeks and do a scrape to see how it's going with treatment.

wish us luck. his lesions on his back i found are healing up quite nicely and almost gone. HOPE HOPE HOPE it's cureable for him.

and about the poop. i've seen lots of very strange poop and urine samples in several strange containers already...weird people out there. a pick up bag is fine, or possibly use the cup we sent home for you to scoop it into...i've had one come in these little white boxes that didn't interlock but rather sat on top of each other and if you set them down the top one would slide right off and there's a pile of poo....oh dear these people.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

so i did ask the vet about the fecal thing again. she said that only like 2-3 cases have ever shown up demodex in a fecal. it's because when he bites at the itching wounds he injested some of the mites into his body which come out in his stool. that's the only possible way other than a skin scrape, they have starting treating him based on the fecal but we do promeris once every two weeks for three rounds and then wait 4 weeks and do a scrape to see how it's going with treatment.

wish us luck. his lesions on his back i found are healing up quite nicely and almost gone. HOPE HOPE HOPE it's cureable for him.

and about the poop. i've seen lots of very strange poop and urine samples in several strange containers already...weird people out there. a pick up bag is fine, or possibly use the cup we sent home for you to scoop it into...i've had one come in these little white boxes that didn't interlock but rather sat on top of each other and if you set them down the top one would slide right off and there's a pile of poo....oh dear these people.

ok that makes sense. I hope it clears it up like my friends

yeah i keep sterile urine bottles and sterile syringe to pick up urine and fecal bottles at home as pick up from vet to have just in case anything happens i have them there to take in vet that morning. I like using sterile things from vets office not TUPPERWARE lollll what up with that. You can also get sterile bottles from pharmacy for free as well. Our vet has the bottles up at front desk to take home

[Ellie May]

Demodex eggs can be seen in fecals. Whether a diagnosis of demo overload is made on it is up to the vet. I'm guessing most would take the wait and see approach unless symptoms became apparent. A skin scraping could always be done to confirm, but since demo are normal in dog (to a certain extent), some vets aren't going to treat unless symptoms appear.

[dwerten]

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