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Old 09-19-2009, 05:00 PM   #1
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For the past two years we have had our 3 year old Yorkie come down with something at this time every year. On the surface, it looks as if he is having an allergy to something, but after further investigation I am convinced he has an over abundance of yeast in his system. His visual signs are hair loss, red sores, EXCESSIVE scratching, watery eyes and weight loss. Don't forget to mention the nasty odor that he is excreting and the unsightly oily skin.

Last year it took me about 7 months to finally clear up all his symptoms. I put him on a strict organic diet, a daily supplement of fish and omega oils, fattening foods and his favorite daily bowl of plain yogurt. He was bathed every two days with a sulfa medicated shampoo and oatmeal. This was teadious, but the vets didn't know what was wrong with him and it seemed to work.

Well, now he has it again. I was reading that giving him his yearly vaccinations could very well set off an excess of yeast in his system and to combat this we should give him an anti-inflammatory at the time of his shots. Other than that, we have not been given any good advice from our vets, and we have tried 5 different ones! However, we can not give him this anti-inflam since we already got the shots and didn't know about it.

He is horribly uncomfortable and leaving hair all over my house. We are trying any natural supplements that we can, and have also found that the normal Listerine helps cure the daily itching (given in his bath on the skin).

Has anybody else had to deal with this in their Yorkie, and how was it combated? At this point, we are beyond our Vets advice and trying anything we can do ourselves to help him manage the daily reactions and get him back to health. His appetite is good, and his attitude is normal. He is on a completely natural organic diet and Yogurt and supplements.
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Wow, your poor dog...I will ask my friend who raises her dogs holistically and without any vaccines if she has a thought about this. I do know many people use Braggs Vinegar for a number of things.

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Hi Puperatsi! (great name!)

It sounds like your poor baby could be experiencing "vaccinosis" which is a serious reaction to being vaccinated. I have seen several dogs with those exact symptoms, particuarly these toy dogs like yorkies and poodles. I would recommend researching vaccinosis and vaccine damage as well as looking for a good homeopathic vet to treat your pup's symptoms.
My dogs responded well to a grain-free, natural raw meat based diet which helps immensely. Our vet does not recommend annual revaccination due to the great stress it places on the toy dog's immune system. Once your dog has a serious reaction to vaccines such as the ones you've described a vet will often write an exemption and/or perform titer's tests to check your dog's natural anti-body levels. If your vet doesn't offer this I recommend finding a vet that is committed to helping your dog recover naturally by improving his immune system.
In the meantime it can only help to remove all chemicals, artificial ingredients and pollutants from your dog's environment. (Bottled water, natural cleaning products, natural shampoos when bathing, quality dogfood like Instinct without artificial ingredients etc.) Please keep us updated on how your baby is doing. Best of luck!
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For the past two years we have had our 3 year old Yorkie come down with something at this time every year. On the surface, it looks as if he is having an allergy to something, but after further investigation I am convinced he has an over abundance of yeast in his system. His visual signs are hair loss, red sores, EXCESSIVE scratching, watery eyes and weight loss. Don't forget to mention the nasty odor that he is excreting and the unsightly oily skin.

Last year it took me about 7 months to finally clear up all his symptoms. I put him on a strict organic diet, a daily supplement of fish and omega oils, fattening foods and his favorite daily bowl of plain yogurt. He was bathed every two days with a sulfa medicated shampoo and oatmeal. This was teadious, but the vets didn't know what was wrong with him and it seemed to work.

Well, now he has it again. I was reading that giving him his yearly vaccinations could very well set off an excess of yeast in his system and to combat this we should give him an anti-inflammatory at the time of his shots. Other than that, we have not been given any good advice from our vets, and we have tried 5 different ones! However, we can not give him this anti-inflam since we already got the shots and didn't know about it.

He is horribly uncomfortable and leaving hair all over my house. We are trying any natural supplements that we can, and have also found that the normal Listerine helps cure the daily itching (given in his bath on the skin).

Has anybody else had to deal with this in their Yorkie, and how was it combated? At this point, we are beyond our Vets advice and trying anything we can do ourselves to help him manage the daily reactions and get him back to health. His appetite is good, and his attitude is normal. He is on a completely natural organic diet and Yogurt and supplements.
has the thyroid been checked? as thyroid can cause skin issues if it is low. Also why vaccinate yearly? it is every 3 years in a HEALTHY DOG so if your dog has health issues you need to be titering as i have a dog with hypothyroid and severe allergies
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Hi Puperatsi! (great name!)

It sounds like your poor baby could be experiencing "vaccinosis" which is a serious reaction to being vaccinated. I have seen several dogs with those exact symptoms, particuarly these toy dogs like yorkies and poodles. I would recommend researching vaccinosis and vaccine damage as well as looking for a good homeopathic vet to treat your pup's symptoms.
My dogs responded well to a grain-free, natural raw meat based diet which helps immensely. Our vet does not recommend annual revaccination due to the great stress it places on the toy dog's immune system. Once your dog has a serious reaction to vaccines such as the ones you've described a vet will often write an exemption and/or perform titer's tests to check your dog's natural anti-body levels. If your vet doesn't offer this I recommend finding a vet that is committed to helping your dog recover naturally by improving his immune system.
In the meantime it can only help to remove all chemicals, artificial ingredients and pollutants from your dog's environment. (Bottled water, natural cleaning products, natural shampoos when bathing, quality dogfood like Instinct without artificial ingredients etc.) Please keep us updated on how your baby is doing. Best of luck!
Thanks...I knew you could offer advise...
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For the past two years we have had our 3 year old Yorkie come down with something at this time every year. On the surface, it looks as if he is having an allergy to something, but after further investigation I am convinced he has an over abundance of yeast in his system. His visual signs are hair loss, red sores, EXCESSIVE scratching, watery eyes and weight loss. Don't forget to mention the nasty odor that he is excreting and the unsightly oily skin.

Last year it took me about 7 months to finally clear up all his symptoms. I put him on a strict organic diet, a daily supplement of fish and omega oils, fattening foods and his favorite daily bowl of plain yogurt. He was bathed every two days with a sulfa medicated shampoo and oatmeal. This was teadious, but the vets didn't know what was wrong with him and it seemed to work.

Well, now he has it again. I was reading that giving him his yearly vaccinations could very well set off an excess of yeast in his system and to combat this we should give him an anti-inflammatory at the time of his shots. Other than that, we have not been given any good advice from our vets, and we have tried 5 different ones! However, we can not give him this anti-inflam since we already got the shots and didn't know about it.

He is horribly uncomfortable and leaving hair all over my house. We are trying any natural supplements that we can, and have also found that the normal Listerine helps cure the daily itching (given in his bath on the skin).

Has anybody else had to deal with this in their Yorkie, and how was it combated? At this point, we are beyond our Vets advice and trying anything we can do ourselves to help him manage the daily reactions and get him back to health. His appetite is good, and his attitude is normal. He is on a completely natural organic diet and Yogurt and supplements.

I am sorry that I do not have any advice on yeast infections. But, I do have a furbaby that has had a different kind of long term reaction to vaccines. So, now she does not receive any vaccines, but has titer blood tests instead. They are more expensive than vaccines, but worth it for her health. Also, until the titer tests were given, I had no idea that she probably has enough antibodies from previous vaccines, to last her the rest of her life. It was amazing to find out the results. If vaccines are causing your furbaby's health problems, maybe you could also try these tests on down the road when he gets healthy again. Wishing you the best with his health problems.
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Well, w/ fur loss, recurrent infections, sores, weight loss - you really need to see a good vet for a full workup.

Thyroid needs to be checked. But also, can you describe the weight loss - is it all over - or did the weight just redistrubute to the belly (ie, pot belly)? If there is pot belly, PLEASE do a screening test for Cushings.

How has the yeast been treated in the past? If this were me, I'd ask for a 6-wk oral regimen of Diflucan (pill) and use antifungal shampoo weekly. And you'll need an ear ointment to get that relieved asap.
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thanks for all the info, the idea of vaccinosis seems the most likely. Several of you have commented on getting his tyroid checked, and I should have mentioned that we have done a full body workup on him, and he is very healthy. He does not have any thyroid issues and is in good spirits. He just looks nasty. He gets stressed easily and we have tried to keep him as "uneventful" as possible. As for the yeast, there is none in his ears and the vet said it's a build up internally, not external. The only way to combat the yeast is time and an everyday regimen of fatty acids and oils.

I also was upset when we took them in for the shots needed by the groomer, and they gave him a yearly rabies shot! I was under the impression, and from past experiences (and we have 5 Yorkies) that the first rabies is a year, and then every 3 years after. We took them all to a new vet last year, since we moved, and they gave him a 1 year instead... I was NOT happy. They didn't even tell me, I noticed it when we were filling out the grooming updates.

We have taken him to several vets, and have spent lot of time and moolah on him to see what the deal is, and that is why I am writing this, since we have not been able to get a good diagnosis for his problems. Also, We would like to keep him as comfortable as possible while he is recovering.

Thanks again to everyone, and keep the ideas coming!
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Just wanted to add one more suggestion, that I have learned from experience.... When the regular vet cannot figure out things quickly, seeing a Vet Dermatologist for skin issues is very helpful. In the long run, it is less expensive and of course, saves our furbabies a long period of misery.
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You might try using Witch Hazel on his or her itchy skin.
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As for the yeast, there is none in his ears and the vet said it's a build up internally, not external. The only way to combat the yeast is time and an everyday regimen of fatty acids and oils.
If he has systemic yeast (not a topical/local infection), you have to give an Oral (pill) anti-fungal, like Diflucan - for about 6wks. Time does not make yeast go away, unfortunately - it just gives it more time to grow.

A regimen of Diflucan (same thing used in humans) will knock it out of his system, where it lives esp. in the small intestine.

I've not heard of fatty acids being helpful for yeast, but probiotics are essential. Once yeast has assaulted the sm. intestine, you need to help re-populate the intestine w/ the healthy flora or yeast will just continue to take over.
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If he has systemic yeast (not a topical/local infection), you have to give an Oral (pill) anti-fungal, like Diflucan - for about 6wks. Time does not make yeast go away, unfortunately - it just gives it more time to grow.

A regimen of Diflucan (same thing used in humans) will knock it out of his system, where it lives esp. in the small intestine.

I've not heard of fatty acids being helpful for yeast, but probiotics are essential. Once yeast has assaulted the sm. intestine, you need to help re-populate the intestine w/ the healthy flora or yeast will just continue to take over.

Ann, your knowledge of Yorkie health issues continues to amaze me. I learn something new everytime you post in this section.
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I am sorry that I do not have any advice on yeast infections. But, I do have a furbaby that has had a different kind of long term reaction to vaccines. So, now she does not receive any vaccines, but has titer blood tests instead. They are more expensive than vaccines, but worth it for her health. Also, until the titer tests were given, I had no idea that she probably has enough antibodies from previous vaccines, to last her the rest of her life. It was amazing to find out the results. If vaccines are causing your furbaby's health problems, maybe you could also try these tests on down the road when he gets healthy again. Wishing you the best with his health problems.
i have titered for 4 years as well as it says on the vaccine FOR HEALTHY DOGS ONLY so if your dog has any health issues TITER as it may cost more for the test than a vaccine but you will pay alot more in health issues and vet bills if you over vaccinate an already poor immune system dog
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thanks for all the info, the idea of vaccinosis seems the most likely. Several of you have commented on getting his tyroid checked, and I should have mentioned that we have done a full body workup on him, and he is very healthy. He does not have any thyroid issues and is in good spirits. He just looks nasty. He gets stressed easily and we have tried to keep him as "uneventful" as possible. As for the yeast, there is none in his ears and the vet said it's a build up internally, not external. The only way to combat the yeast is time and an everyday regimen of fatty acids and oils.

I also was upset when we took them in for the shots needed by the groomer, and they gave him a yearly rabies shot! I was under the impression, and from past experiences (and we have 5 Yorkies) that the first rabies is a year, and then every 3 years after. We took them all to a new vet last year, since we moved, and they gave him a 1 year instead... I was NOT happy. They didn't even tell me, I noticed it when we were filling out the grooming updates.

We have taken him to several vets, and have spent lot of time and moolah on him to see what the deal is, and that is why I am writing this, since we have not been able to get a good diagnosis for his problems. Also, We would like to keep him as comfortable as possible while he is recovering.

Thanks again to everyone, and keep the ideas coming!
thyroid panel is not part of the normal blood work up it is an ADD ON so your vet would have to order a separate add on for this and i recommend jean dodds or michigan state is where you want blood sent for that panel to get the most accurate results -- it will test for T4, T4FREE, T3, T3FREE, T4AA, AND T3AA - if you do not see these numbers and letters on your blood work it was not done and this is a must with dogs having skin issues
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