1 yr old with Kidney Problems

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by bonitalou

Purina NF has 12% crude protein; 13% crude fat
2% crude fiber; 12% moisture; .4% phosphorus; sodium .4%; Thiamine 35 mg; ribloflavin 15mg


underneath it says: not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO dog food nutrient profile.

Does the HA say that?

IF the BUN comes back high again and you believe it's due to dehydration, it still could be, correct? Because she is still vomiting and has bouts of diarrhea. Even though she didn't have diarrhea this am, doesn't mean she won't this afternoon. She's so unpredictable on what she does. For example; her vomit changes from day to day; one day it's foam; one day is liquid; one day it's food.......I just don't get it.

I wish I had time off from work, but my time finding a vet is so limited. They close so early and not open on weekends.

Appreciate your input.

Purina Veterinary Diets - HA HypoAllergenic - Canine

yes if still vomitting and diarhea then bun could be high due to dehydration

when they do the blood do the pre and post biles just tell them you want this done since a yorkie

[bonitalou]

What is the pre and post biles tested on? Feces or what?

Doesn't the veggie diet make the poop REALLY SOFT? I had tried once a veggie food and she got the diarrhea from it. Like people I guess.........veggies do the trick. lol

[dogbert]

I was going to ask what the protein count was on the dog food she had been eating. I was told they shouldn't have more than 28% or the liver could become ill. I had switched to Evo which my little girl loved till I saw the count was 42%.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by bonitalou

What is the pre and post biles tested on? Feces or what?

Doesn't the veggie diet make the poop REALLY SOFT? I had tried once a veggie food and she got the diarrhea from it. Like people I guess.........veggies do the trick. lol

you do a 12 hr fast have them pull blood and immediately feed then wait 2 hrs on the dot and then they pull blood again so this tells them how the liver is functioning before and after food but it has to be done accurate 2hrs on dot not a minute later

[bonitalou]

I had her on Iams since she was born (NO idea what is in that)........then when she started to vomit for no reason in July, I mixed in Eukanuba (pre-biotic-clinically proven). 28% protein........too high I guess. ALways was concerned about getting food for little pups under 1 yr old., never looked at the contents.

[bonitalou]

Interesting!

So what does this test Prove? Stricltly how the liver is functioning?

They did a liver panel, but I don't know what part of the results I have are for the liver.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by bonitalou

Interesting!

So what does this test Prove? Stricltly how the liver is functioning?

They did a liver panel, but I don't know what part of the results I have are for the liver.

This is the only true test of liver as alt is just one way to see but this is more accurate and if you want ask for protein c test add on to be sent to cornell as that is the test for liver shunt indicator -- i am a believer if doing blood pull get it all done as they pull from jugular and too stressful to keep going back for different tests

[ally173]

Originally Posted by bonitalou

I had her on Iams since she was born (NO idea what is in that)........then when she started to vomit for no reason in July, I mixed in Eukanuba (pre-biotic-clinically proven). 28% protein........too high I guess. ALways was concerned about getting food for little pups under 1 yr old., never looked at the contents.

you should check the ingredients; iams, eukanuba; all these commercial processed food is no good for dogs. if they have corn, chicken meal or any meal, by products ; is no good
meals and by products means the worst, even rotten type of meat out there. and that food has so many chemicals that is damaging for the kidneys and liver.
you can homecook; or get a human grade food; such as the honest kitchen; my dog hasn't vomited since she has been eating the honest kitchen.
good luck

[bonitalou]

They took blood from the vein in her leg. Her AtL is 22 (normal range is: 10-100)

[bonitalou]

So where do you buy Honest Kitchen and why is your dog on that (because of the vomiting)?

I always figured the MORE expensive foods were the best, but I guess NOT.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by bonitalou

So where do you buy Honest Kitchen and why is your dog on that (because of the vomiting)?

I always figured the MORE expensive foods were the best, but I guess NOT.

the honest kitchen is not so cheap either but it's worth the money; it's all about the ingredients.
you can check the website and order a 4oz sample bag to try it; even you can email them and they will send you 1oz bag sample
Healthy Dog Food | Human Grade Dog Food | Gourmet Dog Food
i order mine from this site Search
you can use coupon code "dogbone" to save 6% off the order

read the ingredients and see what is the best formula for your dog. i use force formula.

also i use homeopet digestive drops and they helped a lot; i add 5 drops to the food HomeoPet - Safe, Gentle, Alternative you can order it from amazon
Amazon.com: Used and New: HomeoPet Digestive Upsets, 15 ml

also you should get a digestive enzyme and probiotic; try animal essential plant enzyme & probiotic Amazon.com: Used and New: Animal Essentials Plant Enzymes & Probiotics (All Natural Digestive Aid 100 grams)
this will help your dog digest the food much easier to help the stomach
meanwhile you can feed your dog gerber baby food; to rest his stomach from the other food
you can give the chicken and apple dinner; banana sauce; turkey, beef read the lable; make sure to get the ones with the lowest sodium possible.
when my dog doesnt have much appetite in the morning; i mix some beef with banana baby food; and sometimes i mix the chicken apple dinner with the banana; and she eats it right up; just about 2 to 3 tablespoons; and add the digestive enzyme, probiotic and homeopet digestive drops
good luck

[bonitalou]

I'm more confused than ever. Everyone has different things that I should try, theres no consistency......

What's really confusing is: she MAY have kidney problems because of the high BUN, or it could be as one said high becaue of dehydration. But then again she has crystals (RED and White blood cells in her urine); She could have colitis, she could have a food allergy, she could could have an intestinal infection, by the time I figure out when in the heck is wrong, I'll be in the poor farm.

I should feed her purina ha or I should feed her home remedy, i should give her probiotics; I should give her organic pumpkin; I should give her enzymes. I should have all these additoinal tests done. GOOD GRIEF.........right now I don't know which end is up.

[ally173]

Originally Posted by bonitalou

I'm more confused than ever. Everyone has different things that I should try, theres no consistency......

What's really confusing is: she MAY have kidney problems because of the high BUN, or it could be as one said high becaue of dehydration. But then again she has crystals (RED and White blood cells in her urine); She could have colitis, she could have a food allergy, she could could have an intestinal infection, by the time I figure out when in the heck is wrong, I'll be in the poor farm.

I should feed her purina ha or I should feed her home remedy, i should give her probiotics; I should give her organic pumpkin; I should give her enzymes. I should have all these additoinal tests done. GOOD GRIEF.........right now I don't know which end is up.

i know it's overwhelming and confusing; but her problems could be from the food itself
if u have few minutes to look at the ingredients; you could see for yourself what's good for him
purina ha ingredients (Dry) read the 1st few ingredients; horrible! it's filled with chemicals; would you eat this or feed it to a baby; if not, then the dog shouldn't eat it; that's how i look at it Starch, hydrolyzed soy protein isolate, vegetable oil, calcium phosphate, partially hydrogenated canola oil preserved with TBHQ, powdered cellulose, corn oil, potassium chloride, vegetable gums (gum arabic, guar gum), choline chloride, DL-Methionine, salt, magnesium oxide, lecithin, taurine, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium carbonate, Vitamin A supplement, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, garlic oil, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

the honest kitchen
The Honest Kitchen : Products : Food Comparison
human grade food; i would eat this
Force

USDA chicken, organic flaxseed, potatoes, celery, sweet potatoes, apples, alfalfa, kelp, honey, zucchini, green beans, cabbage, bananas, papayas, basil, garlic, rosemary, vitamins and minerals.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ally173

you should check the ingredients; iams, eukanuba; all these commercial processed food is no good for dogs. if they have corn, chicken meal or any meal, by products ; is no good
meals and by products means the worst, even rotten type of meat out there. and that food has so many chemicals that is damaging for the kidneys and liver.
you can homecook; or get a human grade food; such as the honest kitchen; my dog hasn't vomited since she has been eating the honest kitchen.
good luck

honest kitchen is good BUT internal medicine specialist said steer clear of chicken in ibd and colitis dogs so this dog would not be a good candidate for this food unless doing preference with cod and right now this dog needs to get back on track and to determine if kidney, liver, ibd /colitis.

I know it is confusing but it is process of elimination as there is no blood test for ibd or colitis and the symptoms your dog is displaying are related to that but the urine is showing issues leading to crystals which is diet related. What kind of water are you giving as i only give whole foods spring 365 - if your dog is having stone issues you may want to give either spring or distilled water - the prob with distilled is some will not drink it due to the taste.

ALL YORKIES AND MALTESE should be bile acid tested if having health issues as a maltese and yorkie are 38% more likely to have liver disease and your dog is having health issues and the pre and post bile acid test is only $78 and should be done on any sick yorkie and maltese - it is a one time test and then if 25 or below no worries you know the liver is sound -- many yorkie and maltese owners get this done even if their dog is not sick so it is not out of the question to get this done on these two breeds since it is so prevalent

I know you are getting frustrated and over whelmed but you need to gather all the info you are getting and make the best decision for your dog as that is what i do. I am a believer if you are going to do blood work for the kidney soon get the liver checked out too - Vets do the same thing they do process of elimination and since my dog had a bun of that amount and she has NO kidney disease as i KNOW creatinine is the most important for kidney BUT i know urine determines kidney issues as well so the crystals is a concern. Did they do a free catch for urine or did they do need in bladder to get the urine.

Most vets take the blood from jugular not the leg as the veins in the legs are very small and collapse and they are not able to get as much blood from them and you want to save those veins for iv's so not really good to use those for just blood work

[ally173]

Originally Posted by dwerten

honest kitchen is good BUT internal medicine specialist said steer clear of chicken in ibd and colitis dogs so this dog would not be a good candidate for this food unless doing preference with cod and right now this dog needs to get back on track and to determine if kidney, liver, ibd /colitis.

I know it is confusing but it is process of elimination as there is no blood test for ibd or colitis and the symptoms your dog is displaying are related to that but the urine is showing issues leading to crystals which is diet related. What kind of water are you giving as i only give whole foods spring 365 - if your dog is having stone issues you may want to give either spring or distilled water - the prob with distilled is some will not drink it due to the taste.

ALL YORKIES AND MALTESE should be bile acid tested if having health issues as a maltese and yorkie are 38% more likely to have liver disease and your dog is having health issues and the pre and post bile acid test is only $78 and should be done on any sick yorkie and maltese - it is a one time test and then if 25 or below no worries you know the liver is sound -- many yorkie and maltese owners get this done even if their dog is not sick so it is not out of the question to get this done on these two breeds since it is so prevalent

I know you are getting frustrated and over whelmed but you need to gather all the info you are getting and make the best decision for your dog as that is what i do. I am a believer if you are going to do blood work for the kidney soon get the liver checked out too - Vets do the same thing they do process of elimination and since my dog had a bun of that amount and she has NO kidney disease as i KNOW creatinine is the most important for kidney BUT i know urine determines kidney issues as well so the crystals is a concern. Did they do a free catch for urine or did they do need in bladder to get the urine.

Most vets take the blood from jugular not the leg as the veins in the legs are very small and collapse and they are not able to get as much blood from them and you want to save those veins for iv's so not really good to use those for just blood work

i totally agree; i displayed the honest kitchen ingredients as an example that it has good ingredients; compared to purina
it is overwhelming and a process; just gather the best info u can get and u will know the best for ur dog and what to give; best of luck