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dwerten · 09-05-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dwerten

i agree the preference is a great diet and add cod you can get the cod at sam's club in bulk

baytril is an antibiotic so not sure and maybe someone can explain why this for crystals in urine as thought crystals in urine are more diet related

bonitalou · 09-06-2009, 07:26 AM

No she hasn't...........her liver is normal. Had all Chem panels done; this is where the tests showed abnormal kidney function. BUN 38; Creatinine normal. All other tests normal.

Tests done about 2 wks ago.

bonitalou · 09-06-2009, 07:59 AM

not sure why this message replied where it did, but I was told that perhaps the crystals in the urine means liver problems. As far as I know, no liver problems, just kidney.

Ellie May · 09-06-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bonitalou

not sure why this message replied where it did, but I was told that perhaps the crystals in the urine means liver problems. As far as I know, no liver problems, just kidney.

While I don't necessarily think this is a liver problem, normal liver enzymes don't mean much. Liver function is checked with a bile acids test. A lot of vets only do them if the enzymes are not normal and that is not a good idea.

bonitalou · 09-06-2009, 07:51 PM

I can't begin to say how frustrated I am AND WORRIED. I kept a log of her problem. Started on July 12th where she urinated on my bed; July 13th vomited; vomited every day for over a month; July 16 she urinated on HER bed.

She vomited everything from bile to food to liquid; No set pattern.....

July 4th, diarrhea and went thru July 6th. July 7th took her to the vet and she was put on Flagyl and Speical food (canned ID). Threw up every day July 9th - July 16th. During those days the diarrhea subsided. July 17 & 18th, no vomit; no diarrhea. July 19th vomited; July 19th was the last Flagyl pill. July 20th; no vomit, but diarrhea back. July 20th I THINK I started her on hamb/rice and fed her that thru July 31st. 21st and 22nd bad diarrhea; 24th diarrhea and no vomit; 25th and 26th no vomit or diarrhea; 27th no vomit; but soft poo (101.7 temp). 28th vomit and bad diarrhea; 29th - 31st same....horrible days.
Sept 1 started new food purina nf and Flagyl again; diarrhea on 9/1; 9/2 vomited twice and poo was soft (not liquid); 9/3 SOFT poo and vomit x3; 9/4 took her off Flagyl - Diarrhea in a.m. and late aft stool was soft but formed. 9/5 soft stool; late in day more firm but bloody; no vomit. I believe the first time I saw blood in her stool was the 31st of August.

8/24 Chem Profile 2; Chem 12; CBC & Lytes was done. Only thing abnormal was the BUN at 38; Creatinine was Normal.

9/4 they put her on Batryl because urinalysis on 9/1 detected triple phosphate crystals present; calcium oxalate crystals present (turb 1+)(PH 7.0); Under notes it says: Droplets resembling fat seen per HPF.

Okay, so 6 am this a.m., she woke up ready to vomit; I rubbed her neck and took her outside.....she did not vomit. I fed her a small amoiunt of NF canned food...no vomit today; stool is formed but soft and some blood

A lot of the time her stool is thin like a pencil.....

She scratches her ears and her chin allllllll the time and she'll keep rolling on her back in the grass as if to scratch her back. I'm SOOOOOOOO hoping all this is from a food allergy. They don't know for sure if it's colitis (parasites ruled out) or a food allergy and/or the kidney issue. I think they are as confused as I am. Also, they mentioned an intestional infection because of the fecal test showing bacerial overgrowth.

Has anyone out there reading this ever experienced a combination of what Autumn is going thru?

Her D.O.B. is 8/10/08 and she weighs just under 5 lbs. She's very active and loves to play. She does nap a lot, but I think that's pretty normal.

dwerten · 09-06-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bonitalou

I can't begin to say how frustrated I am AND WORRIED. I kept a log of her problem. Started on July 12th where she urinated on my bed; July 13th vomited; vomited every day for over a month; July 16 she urinated on HER bed.

She vomited everything from bile to food to liquid; No set pattern.....

July 4th, diarrhea and went thru July 6th. July 7th took her to the vet and she was put on Flagyl and Speical food (canned ID). Threw up every day July 9th - July 16th. During those days the diarrhea subsided. July 17 & 18th, no vomit; no diarrhea. July 19th vomited; July 19th was the last Flagyl pill. July 20th; no vomit, but diarrhea back. July 20th I THINK I started her on hamb/rice and fed her that thru July 31st. 21st and 22nd bad diarrhea; 24th diarrhea and no vomit; 25th and 26th no vomit or diarrhea; 27th no vomit; but soft poo (101.7 temp). 28th vomit and bad diarrhea; 29th - 31st same....horrible days.
Sept 1 started new food purina nf and Flagyl again; diarrhea on 9/1; 9/2 vomited twice and poo was soft (not liquid); 9/3 SOFT poo and vomit x3; 9/4 took her off Flagyl - Diarrhea in a.m. and late aft stool was soft but formed. 9/5 soft stool; late in day more firm but bloody; no vomit. I believe the first time I saw blood in her stool was the 31st of August.

8/24 Chem Profile 2; Chem 12; CBC & Lytes was done. Only thing abnormal was the BUN at 38; Creatinine was Normal.

9/4 they put her on Batryl because urinalysis on 9/1 detected triple phosphate crystals present; calcium oxalate crystals present (turb 1+)(PH 7.0); Under notes it says: Droplets resembling fat seen per HPF.

Okay, so 6 am this a.m., she woke up ready to vomit; I rubbed her neck and took her outside.....she did not vomit. I fed her a small amoiunt of NF canned food...no vomit today; stool is formed but soft and some blood

A lot of the time her stool is thin like a pencil.....

She scratches her ears and her chin allllllll the time and she'll keep rolling on her back in the grass as if to scratch her back. I'm SOOOOOOOO hoping all this is from a food allergy. They don't know for sure if it's colitis (parasites ruled out) or a food allergy and/or the kidney issue. I think they are as confused as I am. Also, they mentioned an intestional infection because of the fecal test showing bacerial overgrowth.

Has anyone out there reading this ever experienced a combination of what Autumn is going thru?

Her D.O.B. is 8/10/08 and she weighs just under 5 lbs. She's very active and loves to play. She does nap a lot, but I think that's pretty normal.

if her poop is like a pencil she has inflammatory bowel disease as that is how my ibd dog poops as the intestines are inflamed - purina ha is the food you need to have her on -- she is vomitting and diarhea as her entire intestinal tract is inflamed which is colitis or ibd and my guess is ibd -- ok i have dealt with both and the blood in stool is colitis so here is what i did when one of my yorks had colitis -- I soaked the kibble down for 30 days as what is happening is she cannot digest it properly and i would do purina ha as it is a hydrolized diet so easier to digest. I put some water in bowl as this food does not come wet then put in micro with food for 20 seconds let it sit and expand until soft and then strain and feed as any time you give food it is inflaming the entire intestinal tract so she either vomits or diarhea so you need to calm the intestines down and it will take 30 days or so as colitis when they are doing both vomitting and diarhea it means everything is inflamed both large and small intestines. Also i used probiotics in am 30 min before food so go get dds plus from vitamin shop it is a non dairy probiotic -- Do this for a couple days and you will see improvement if not then i recommend tylan powder as it has an anti-inflammatory in it and antibiotic. I was able to get her back on tract after 30 days but it does take time as this is exactly what i went through when my dd had a reaction to metacam and it messed up her entire intestinal tract. If you want to talk pm me and we can talk as it is colitis if it is yellow jelly poops with blood in it and then if she is vomitting bile and food -- i was extremely frustrated as i told vet i wanted tramadol as my dog was on steroids and we fought and i went with what he suggested and he jacked up my dog for 2 mos as metacam can affect the intestines and he gave it on an empty stomach too- both huge no nos

dwerten · 09-06-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bonitalou

No she hasn't...........her liver is normal. Had all Chem panels done; this is where the tests showed abnormal kidney function. BUN 38; Creatinine normal. All other tests normal.

Tests done about 2 wks ago.

that bun is high due to dehydration as diarhea dehydrates a dog more than vomitting and your dog is doing both thus causing bun to be off if creatinine is normal no kidney issues

I would recommend bile acids since they found crystals in urine as my friends dog had normal alt and had a liver shunt

First we need to calm the intestines down though and purina ha is safe for ibd ad liver disease and colitis it is hydrolized soy diet - so lets get her calm and the water in the food will give extra hydration

Baytril is the strongest antibiotic and antibiotics can cause diarhea as well

bonitalou · 09-06-2009, 09:07 PM

My vet does not carry Purina ha. I'd have to order it online.

I told them (VET) that's what I wanted her on. They said NO, because the protein is too high and she has a kidney problem.

He wants her on Batryl and the kidney food for 10 days and then test her kidneys again. I think I have an appt on the 16th. Then they will let me know if I can put her on another food.

Her poo was normal size today, but blood in it. She went again tonite but it's dark out so I couldn't check it.

I asked the vet if her intestines are infected if that would elevate her BUN and they said NO! I asked if being on Flagyl, if that could elevate it and they said NO. I just seems like they think she has kidney problems too.

So why do YOU think she has those crystals in her urine?

I also checked out organic pumpkin in a can. I found a store and they won't be open until Tuesday. Thought I'd try that as that was recommended by a yorkee talk person.

I REALLY appreciate all your advise. I guess I'm really concerned about her kidneys because of the test showing a high BUN and I don't want to give her something that would jeoperdize that. It is a major concern as it could be life threatening if not taken care of.

I will watch her closely being on the new RX and and the NF food for a couple days. If no improvement I'll be reading your email again.

Thank you.

bonitalou · 09-06-2009, 09:12 PM

I PRAY YOU are right!!!!!! I can deal with this if there is no kidney damage.

I hate meds for her as much as I hate them for me.

I need to check around in town if anyone else carries the Purina ha.

Thanks again.

dwerten · 09-06-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bonitalou

My vet does not carry Purina ha. I'd have to order it online.

I told them (VET) that's what I wanted her on. They said NO, because the protein is too high and she has a kidney problem.

He wants her on Batryl and the kidney food for 10 days and then test her kidneys again. I think I have an appt on the 16th. Then they will let me know if I can put her on another food.

Her poo was normal size today, but blood in it. She went again tonite but it's dark out so I couldn't check it.

I asked the vet if her intestines are infected if that would elevate her BUN and they said NO! I asked if being on Flagyl, if that could elevate it and they said NO. I just seems like they think she has kidney problems too.

So why do YOU think she has those crystals in her urine?

I also checked out organic pumpkin in a can. I found a store and they won't be open until Tuesday. Thought I'd try that as that was recommended by a yorkee talk person.

I REALLY appreciate all your advise. I guess I'm really concerned about her kidneys because of the test showing a high BUN and I don't want to give her something that would jeoperdize that. It is a major concern as it could be life threatening if not taken care of.

I will watch her closely being on the new RX and and the NF food for a couple days. If no improvement I'll be reading your email again.

Thank you.

yeah i am questioning the vet ask if there is an internal medicine specialist you can see as they handle all internal and they go to school longer than vets and i would get a second opinion as this does not sound right to me as my dog who is normal had that same bun and had some protein in urine - no crystals and that is a concern - you could feed natural balance vegetarian as i know a dog that had stones and was on it and it is low protein, good for liver as well. I would recommend doing the pre and post bile acid tests on your next blood draw if you are going to do it for kidney function have the liver tested too as crystals and stones can be tied to liver disease so you want to rule this out and yorkies are prone to liver disease and i would want this tested since your dog is having all these issues you need to rule out liver shunt and mvd as well since doing blood work already get this done it is cheap and worth it as all yorkies and maltese should be tested for this and most vets are clueless about liver disease in these breeds so get it ruled out at least you will know by this test that it is or is not liver related as these symptoms - crystals, stones, vomitting, diarhea, picky eating are all liver signs too and you do not want to go in the wrong direction with meds and diet as that bun is not a concern only the urine issue is a concern for me and yes urine is more accurate for kidney issues but creatinine is also a very good indicator NOT bun as your dog has been vomitting and diarhea so that bun is off due to dehydration

Ellie May · 09-07-2009, 04:37 AM

I missed the part about her peeing on the bed.
With that and crystals in the urine and no urinary tract infection, I'd have to question whether or not she has stones.

We've never dealt with crystals or bloody stool here, but Ellie has had just about everything else on your list.

I really think she is going to need to be on either a homecooked or an intestinal diet. The HA is only 18% protein which is quite low, so I have no idea what your vet is talking about and I'm guessing they don't know themselves.

If the BUN comes back abnormal again, then I'd get concerned. With her having a hgih BUN and peeing on the bed, there could be a problem, but then she has crystals too, so there may be something going on with her bladder.

It sounds like the vet is so concerned about the possible kidney issues that they are letting the intestines go and that isn't a good thing at all. She is going to need more intestinal testing. If everything comes back perfect and it can't be controlled by safe meds or diet change, biopsy will need to be considered. If all tests are normal, it may very well be IBD. Unfortunately, there are other things it could be that can't always be diagnosed with bloodwork. And the drugs that would be used next shouldn't be given in certain circumstances without a diagnosis. So, I think I'd find a vet that you can trust.

dwerten · 09-07-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

I missed the part about her peeing on the bed.
With that and crystals in the urine and no urinary tract infection, I'd have to question whether or not she has stones.

We've never dealt with crystals or bloody stool here, but Ellie has had just about everything else on your list.

I really think she is going to need to be on either a homecooked or an intestinal diet. The HA is only 18% protein which is quite low, so I have no idea what your vet is talking about and I'm guessing they don't know themselves.

If the BUN comes back abnormal again, then I'd get concerned. With her having a hgih BUN and peeing on the bed, there could be a problem, but then she has crystals too, so there may be something going on with her bladder.

It sounds like the vet is so concerned about the possible kidney issues that they are letting the intestines go and that isn't a good thing at all. She is going to need more intestinal testing. If everything comes back perfect and it can't be controlled by safe meds or diet change, biopsy will need to be considered. If all tests are normal, it may very well be IBD. Unfortunately, there are other things it could be that can't always be diagnosed with bloodwork. And the drugs that would be used next shouldn't be given in certain circumstances without a diagnosis. So, I think I'd find a vet that you can trust.

i agree I opted against biopsy for my dog and tried with just diet as did not want him scoped and food worked so i say try food first before biopsy as they scope and biopsy intestines and while rare there could be complications and the only real thing they can do with ibd is diet change, steroids, and some use atopica off label, or tylan powder so i preferred doing diet first and thank goodness it worked

I agree they are so focused on the bun but the crystals do concern me so being that i would want liver tested as well as crystals can be a sign of livers shunt so this has to be ruled out.

I would get to internal medice as that is who i work with in having tougher cases as you get to the problem much faster i find and it saves you money in the long run.

There are diets that can dissolve crystals such as I believe S/O diet

and agree your vet is way off thinking purina ha is high in protein as that is simply not the case and sounds like they are not very familiar with diet as mvd dogs are on this diet and they have to be on low protein diet and soy is a very low protein diet plus it is hydrolized protein so it is already broken down so easier to digest

bonitalou · 09-07-2009, 08:18 AM

They told me that the liver is fine. I had the profiles done, so do you know what the abbreviations are for all liver function?

Supposedly the kidney food NF is quite comparable to ha. She got the book out and compared and still recommended the NF, possibly because they don't carry ha.

I had her on hamb/rice for ten days. The first days were fine with her poop. No diarrhea and then she got it back while still on the hamb/rice. That confused me.

I'm HOPING that the baytril she is on will clear up those crystals in the urine.

IF this vomiting and diarrhea continue I will need to go somewhere else or completely change her diet. I don't like the fact that they aren't really doing anything with that. They did say the Baytril would help some with the diarrhea. I hope they are wrong on that as I hope her body is dealing with it on her own and not the meds.

Vomited liquid 6 am this morning; poop is normal. Didn't see any blood today.

VET also said she may have a food allergy (vomit;diarrhea;itching).

Thanks for all the info

dwerten · 09-07-2009, 08:24 AM

ibd is a food intolerance

are you giving antibiotics mid meal as that is best as it will cause diarhea and vomitting if given on empty stomach

ALT is liver on blood panel but pre and post bile acids are a separate blood add on and that is most accurate as alt can be normal and still have liver issue

lamb may be too rich is why the diarhea came back but if it is colitis then colitis takes a while to heal months as it did with my dd and still battling it with her off and on after metacam

Baytril is a very strong antibiotic most start with clavamox or simplicef or tylan powder or metronidazole

bonitalou · 09-07-2009, 08:28 AM

Purina NF has 12% crude protein; 13% crude fat
2% crude fiber; 12% moisture; .4% phosphorus; sodium .4%; Thiamine 35 mg; ribloflavin 15mg

underneath it says: not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO dog food nutrient profile.

Does the HA say that?

IF the BUN comes back high again and you believe it's due to dehydration, it still could be, correct? Because she is still vomiting and has bouts of diarrhea. Even though she didn't have diarrhea this am, doesn't mean she won't this afternoon. She's so unpredictable on what she does. For example; her vomit changes from day to day; one day it's foam; one day is liquid; one day it's food.......I just don't get it.

I wish I had time off from work, but my time finding a vet is so limited. They close so early and not open on weekends.

Appreciate your input.

09-07-2009, 04:37 AM	#71
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	I missed the part about her peeing on the bed. With that and crystals in the urine and no urinary tract infection, I'd have to question whether or not she has stones. We've never dealt with crystals or bloody stool here, but Ellie has had just about everything else on your list. I really think she is going to need to be on either a homecooked or an intestinal diet. The HA is only 18% protein which is quite low, so I have no idea what your vet is talking about and I'm guessing they don't know themselves. If the BUN comes back abnormal again, then I'd get concerned. With her having a hgih BUN and peeing on the bed, there could be a problem, but then she has crystals too, so there may be something going on with her bladder. It sounds like the vet is so concerned about the possible kidney issues that they are letting the intestines go and that isn't a good thing at all. She is going to need more intestinal testing. If everything comes back perfect and it can't be controlled by safe meds or diet change, biopsy will need to be considered. If all tests are normal, it may very well be IBD. Unfortunately, there are other things it could be that can't always be diagnosed with bloodwork. And the drugs that would be used next shouldn't be given in certain circumstances without a diagnosis. So, I think I'd find a vet that you can trust. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

09-06-2009, 07:26 AM	#62
bonitalou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 419	No she hasn't...........her liver is normal. Had all Chem panels done; this is where the tests showed abnormal kidney function. BUN 38; Creatinine normal. All other tests normal. Tests done about 2 wks ago.

09-06-2009, 07:59 AM	#63
bonitalou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 419	not sure why this message replied where it did, but I was told that perhaps the crystals in the urine means liver problems. As far as I know, no liver problems, just kidney.

09-06-2009, 07:51 PM	#65
bonitalou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 419	I can't begin to say how frustrated I am AND WORRIED. I kept a log of her problem. Started on July 12th where she urinated on my bed; July 13th vomited; vomited every day for over a month; July 16 she urinated on HER bed. She vomited everything from bile to food to liquid; No set pattern..... July 4th, diarrhea and went thru July 6th. July 7th took her to the vet and she was put on Flagyl and Speical food (canned ID). Threw up every day July 9th - July 16th. During those days the diarrhea subsided. July 17 & 18th, no vomit; no diarrhea. July 19th vomited; July 19th was the last Flagyl pill. July 20th; no vomit, but diarrhea back. July 20th I THINK I started her on hamb/rice and fed her that thru July 31st. 21st and 22nd bad diarrhea; 24th diarrhea and no vomit; 25th and 26th no vomit or diarrhea; 27th no vomit; but soft poo (101.7 temp). 28th vomit and bad diarrhea; 29th - 31st same....horrible days. Sept 1 started new food purina nf and Flagyl again; diarrhea on 9/1; 9/2 vomited twice and poo was soft (not liquid); 9/3 SOFT poo and vomit x3; 9/4 took her off Flagyl - Diarrhea in a.m. and late aft stool was soft but formed. 9/5 soft stool; late in day more firm but bloody; no vomit. I believe the first time I saw blood in her stool was the 31st of August. 8/24 Chem Profile 2; Chem 12; CBC & Lytes was done. Only thing abnormal was the BUN at 38; Creatinine was Normal. 9/4 they put her on Batryl because urinalysis on 9/1 detected triple phosphate crystals present; calcium oxalate crystals present (turb 1+)(PH 7.0); Under notes it says: Droplets resembling fat seen per HPF. Okay, so 6 am this a.m., she woke up ready to vomit; I rubbed her neck and took her outside.....she did not vomit. I fed her a small amoiunt of NF canned food...no vomit today; stool is formed but soft and some blood A lot of the time her stool is thin like a pencil..... She scratches her ears and her chin allllllll the time and she'll keep rolling on her back in the grass as if to scratch her back. I'm SOOOOOOOO hoping all this is from a food allergy. They don't know for sure if it's colitis (parasites ruled out) or a food allergy and/or the kidney issue. I think they are as confused as I am. Also, they mentioned an intestional infection because of the fecal test showing bacerial overgrowth. Has anyone out there reading this ever experienced a combination of what Autumn is going thru? Her D.O.B. is 8/10/08 and she weighs just under 5 lbs. She's very active and loves to play. She does nap a lot, but I think that's pretty normal.

09-06-2009, 09:07 PM	#68
bonitalou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 419	My vet does not carry Purina ha. I'd have to order it online. I told them (VET) that's what I wanted her on. They said NO, because the protein is too high and she has a kidney problem. He wants her on Batryl and the kidney food for 10 days and then test her kidneys again. I think I have an appt on the 16th. Then they will let me know if I can put her on another food. Her poo was normal size today, but blood in it. She went again tonite but it's dark out so I couldn't check it. I asked the vet if her intestines are infected if that would elevate her BUN and they said NO! I asked if being on Flagyl, if that could elevate it and they said NO. I just seems like they think she has kidney problems too. So why do YOU think she has those crystals in her urine? I also checked out organic pumpkin in a can. I found a store and they won't be open until Tuesday. Thought I'd try that as that was recommended by a yorkee talk person. I REALLY appreciate all your advise. I guess I'm really concerned about her kidneys because of the test showing a high BUN and I don't want to give her something that would jeoperdize that. It is a major concern as it could be life threatening if not taken care of. I will watch her closely being on the new RX and and the NF food for a couple days. If no improvement I'll be reading your email again. Thank you.

09-06-2009, 09:12 PM	#69
bonitalou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 419	I PRAY YOU are right!!!!!! I can deal with this if there is no kidney damage. I hate meds for her as much as I hate them for me. I need to check around in town if anyone else carries the Purina ha. Thanks again.

09-07-2009, 08:18 AM	#73
bonitalou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 419	They told me that the liver is fine. I had the profiles done, so do you know what the abbreviations are for all liver function? Supposedly the kidney food NF is quite comparable to ha. She got the book out and compared and still recommended the NF, possibly because they don't carry ha. I had her on hamb/rice for ten days. The first days were fine with her poop. No diarrhea and then she got it back while still on the hamb/rice. That confused me. I'm HOPING that the baytril she is on will clear up those crystals in the urine. IF this vomiting and diarrhea continue I will need to go somewhere else or completely change her diet. I don't like the fact that they aren't really doing anything with that. They did say the Baytril would help some with the diarrhea. I hope they are wrong on that as I hope her body is dealing with it on her own and not the meds. Vomited liquid 6 am this morning; poop is normal. Didn't see any blood today. VET also said she may have a food allergy (vomit;diarrhea;itching). Thanks for all the info

09-07-2009, 08:24 AM	#74
dwerten BANNED! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 11,073	ibd is a food intolerance are you giving antibiotics mid meal as that is best as it will cause diarhea and vomitting if given on empty stomach ALT is liver on blood panel but pre and post bile acids are a separate blood add on and that is most accurate as alt can be normal and still have liver issue lamb may be too rich is why the diarhea came back but if it is colitis then colitis takes a while to heal months as it did with my dd and still battling it with her off and on after metacam Baytril is a very strong antibiotic most start with clavamox or simplicef or tylan powder or metronidazole

09-07-2009, 08:28 AM	#75
bonitalou Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Wausau, WI Posts: 419	Purina NF has 12% crude protein; 13% crude fat 2% crude fiber; 12% moisture; .4% phosphorus; sodium .4%; Thiamine 35 mg; ribloflavin 15mg underneath it says: not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO dog food nutrient profile. Does the HA say that? IF the BUN comes back high again and you believe it's due to dehydration, it still could be, correct? Because she is still vomiting and has bouts of diarrhea. Even though she didn't have diarrhea this am, doesn't mean she won't this afternoon. She's so unpredictable on what she does. For example; her vomit changes from day to day; one day it's foam; one day is liquid; one day it's food.......I just don't get it. I wish I had time off from work, but my time finding a vet is so limited. They close so early and not open on weekends. Appreciate your input.