What does your vet say about...

[Sherry Lynn]

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[PlatinumYorkies]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

....and I never said or implied even that I did. It was a statement of fact period. Why would "add on" stuff like that?

And Sherry Lynn~ If you want to hide behind that disclaimer, it has to be believable. The fact is that most members, new and old, know what you are implying, and I can only say that given your other unnecessary, off topic and insulting posts, we are ALL figuring out very quickly just who and what you are.

You are only hurting your own reputation with posts such as that imo.

Yeah, I leaped with my statement....

[minniemn]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

....and I never said or implied even that I did. It was a statement of fact period. Why would "add on" stuff like that?

And Sherry Lynn~ If you want to hide behind that disclaimer, it has to be believable. The fact is that most members, new and old, know what you are implying, and I can only say that given your other unnecessary, off topic and insulting posts, we are ALL figuring out very quickly just who and what you are.

You are only hurting your own reputation with posts such as that imo.

Actually, in my opinion- Sherry lynn at least gave an opinion as to why you are so obsessed with breeding tinies- it was her thoughts and really it wasn't insulting at all. It was her conclusion and opinion- some may agree, some may not- but it doesn't bear any weight on her reputation (in my opinion)

What is insulting, is having someone repeately stating they "know" this or that which gives people a false impression, that you actually "know" these people well enough to say that their breeding of tinies is "ok" when in reality you only talked to them on the phone once or twice, you have not seen their breeding areas, ect.... and really are only basing your impression based on a phone call, with someone you have not even seen- which is not really creditable. Have you asked them any of the concerns that the reproductive vet brought up, or any other vet that has been asked brought up?

I have to agree with Sherry lyn that the best conclusion I can come up with at this point is you are thinking of breeding your little ones, no matter how much you say you are not going to, continually bringing up this subject, and beating it to death seems to say you have an alterior motive. Actions speak louder than words, is what I tell my kids-- here the actions are also speaking louder than words.

It is your perogitive to do what you wish with your dogs, but I don't think that you will change anyones mind here, that breeding tinies is ok- just like we are not going to change your minds that breeding tinies isn't ok.

Although I could be wrong- it won't be the first or last time. But you are the only one who is not taking the statements from the vets asked, the breeders who remarked- as enough "advice" or "knowledge" that breeding tiny yorkies is not what is in the dogs best interest... it is not safe or healthy for them.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

But since I am not a breeder and have had no prior "real" experience (other than owning 2 tines), I decided out of sheer curiosity to call my vet and see what he said about it.

Maybe not experience...but it does seem like you have common sense.

[BamaFan121s]

Are we all done here? I hope so. Pleeeeease say we are all done and can move on...

[Sherry Lynn]

Originally Posted by minniemn

Actually, in my opinion- Sherry lynn at least gave an opinion as to why you are so obsessed with breeding tinies- it was her thoughts and really it wasn't insulting at all. It was her conclusion and opinion- some may agree, some may not- but it doesn't bear any weight on her reputation (in my opinion)

Thank you minniemn. I was worried about MY 'reputation' !! LMAO

If it walks like a duck and QUACKS like a duck, well, it's probably a duck!!!

Once again, this is just my personal opinion and is not directed at anyone in particular!

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by BamaFan121s

Maybe not experience...but it does seem like you have common sense.

Thank you so much. That was really the point I was trying to drive home in my post ... COMMON SENSE.

You only have to LOOK at a 2 lb or 3 lb dog to see that it is too tiny for breeding - COMMON SENSE.

You only have to HOLD a 2 lb or 3 lb dog to realize that it is far too petite and tiny for breeding - COMMON SENSE.

You only have to find out that a dog is 2 lbs or 3 lbs to know that it is inhumane (in my opinion) to breed - COMMON SENSE.

Why is it ok to subject a tiny (under 5 lbs) female to c-sections? This doesn't make sense to me. No loving, caring breeder (who is not breeding for PROFIT) would ever consider this.

I applaud all the GOOD breeders who breed for standard, health and their pets SAFETY first and foremost.

[red98vett]

Jennifer...Thank you - great post ...with all these long posts - it's very easy to lose the whole point of this Poll - and I think most all agree - there really shouldn't BE a debate over breeding tinies.

Sherry Lynn - your rep is just fine - We all know you to be a VERY Caring person and you too are looking out for these little ones - just as we all are. Being honest or direct is NOT a fault...I personally love your posts - you're always good for a laugh when it's needed too ...and that says alot about your character. Keep posting girl

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by red98vett

Jennifer...Thank you - great post ...with all these long posts - it's very easy to lose the whole point of this Poll - and I think most all agree - there really shouldn't BE a debate over breeding tinies.

Well said! I feel the need to repeat that -- THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE A DEBATE OVER BREEDING TINIES.

Originally Posted by red98vett

Sherry Lynn - your rep is just fine - We all know you to be a VERY caring person and you too are looking out for these little ones - just as we all are. Being honest or direct is NOT a fault...I personally love your posts - you're always good for a laugh when it's needed too ...and that says alot about your character. Keep posting girl

I agree! I enjoy your posts so please keep them coming.

[Carters Mom]

Originally Posted by JCarlson2004

Well said! I feel the need to repeat that -- THERE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE A DEBATE OVER BREEDING TINIES.

Didn't admin recently post saying YT does not condone the breeding of tinies?

I'd say, case dismissed.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by Carters Mom

Didn't admin recently post saying YT does not condone the breeding of tinies?

I'd say, case dismissed.

Yes they did - and I have to say I'm impressed they shared their views ...I'm also impressed they say NO to Puppy Mills and Abuse - It never hurts to see THAT over and over either.

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by minniemn

Common sense would tell you that 5lbs is just a guideline.... you can have a 5lb dog with a 3lb frame... the dog was just fed more than it should of been and it is a little chunky. The 5lb guideline is for yorkies... this is a yorkie forum and yorkies is what we are talking about not chi's.

I don't know what your fasicination is over this.... any good reputable breeder takes their female to the vet and gets them evaluated, has tests done, and with the help from the vet decides from there if they should breed their dog.

PG13 is a guideline for the age that is appropriate for a show... some 11 yr olds may be more mature and their parents decide that they can watch a PG13 show... while some 15yr olds may not be mature enough and their parents decide that PG13 it too much for them to watch.

When breeding a dog, you have to take many things into consideration.... just because 5lbs is a good size for some yorkies... some may need to be too small at 6lbs.

You are supposed to be an attorney, so you should know there is always more than one thing to consider.... most things are not black and white.

A reputable breeder, spends the time and money to find out if they should breed a certian dog.... it is the unreputable breeder that breeds any dog, and charges more than an arm and a leg for a "tiny".... they don't care about the risks of the female or the pups, as long as it lines their pocket book.

Going on and on about this is silly- if you can't see that there is more to it than just weight or bone structure now, then you will never see it.

Why all this interest if you are not going to breed?

I try not judge peoples breeding practices, unless they are charging thousands for "tinies" because they breed a tiny.. because that is generally the "red flag" that they are unreputable and did not put the dog first.

No professional is going to convince you of any of this, because there have been many professional breeders trying to explain it to you and adding one more professsionals opinion isn't going to matter...

Nicely stated and point well made.

I just hope that is does not fall on deaf ears.

[cheryl000]

If ADMIN posted that, then why do they let people who breed 3 and 4 lb dogs advertise their puppies on this site? IMHO I don't think they should be allowed to advertise here on YT. It seems like it's being PROMOTED instead. And the fact that YTer's are buying the puppies is bad because we're supposed to be the most knowledgeable about yorkies. Maybe the word IS NOT getting out about what to look for in a breeder. Perhaps we should start a thread about that instead.
I would say there SHOULDN'T'T be a debate about it, but the breeders of tinies are NOT defending their actions on this board, only Kim is, who isn't a breeder as of now. As long as people continue to subject their dogs to this PROFITABLE form of ANIMAL CRUELTY then this debate will continue. Someone has to speak up for the poor tiny dogs. I wouldn't be surprised if puppy millers and brokers have already caught on. Then it will be a 3 lb yorkie getting pregnant every cycle and having a "cheap" c-section.

Originally Posted by Carters Mom

Didn't admin recently post saying YT does not condone the breeding of tinies?

I'd say, case dismissed.

[JCarlson2004]

Originally Posted by cheryl000

If ADMIN posted that, then why do they let people who breed 3 and 4 lb dogs advertise their puppies on this site? IMHO I don't think they should be allowed to advertise here on YT. It seems like it's being PROMOTED instead. And the fact that YTer's are buying the puppies is bad because we're supposed to be the most knowledgeable about yorkies. Maybe the word IS NOT getting out about what to look for in a breeder. Perhaps we should start a thread about that instead.

I would say there SHOULDN'T' be a debate about it, but the breeders of tinies are NOT defending their actions on this board, only Kim is, who isn't a breeder as of now. As long as people continue to subject their dogs to this PROFITABLE form of ANIMAL CRUELTY then this debate will continue. Someone has to speak up for the poor tiny dogs. I wouldn't be surprised if puppy millers and brokers have already caught on. Then it will be a 3 lb yorkie getting pregnant every cycle and having a "cheap" c-section.

Wow, what a powerful post. Thank you!

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by cheryl000

If ADMIN posted that, then why do they let people who breed 3 and 4 lb dogs advertise their puppies on this site? IMHO I don't think they should be allowed to advertise here on YT. It seems like it's being PROMOTED instead. And the fact that YTer's are buying the puppies is bad because we're supposed to be the most knowledgeable about yorkies. Maybe the word IS NOT getting out about what to look for in a breeder. Perhaps we should start a thread about that instead.
I would say there SHOULDN'T'T be a debate about it, but the breeders of tinies are NOT defending their actions on this board, only Kim is, who isn't a breeder as of now. As long as people continue to subject their dogs to this PROFITABLE form of ANIMAL CRUELTY then this debate will continue. Someone has to speak up for the poor tiny dogs. I wouldn't be surprised if puppy millers and brokers have already caught on. Then it will be a 3 lb yorkie getting pregnant every cycle and having a "cheap" c-section.

You actually have a VERY GOOD Point ...I still remember that woman trying to sell her 1.7 TINY and charging 8 Thousand DOLLARS claiming she didn't breed for Tiny.

Well - she lied. She WAS was breeding tinies and she came here saying she did NOT have him advertised anywhere else and only wanted him to go to a "Good" home ...i.e. a Yorkietalk member

Sure she did

We found him listed on Yahoo FREE CLASSIFIEDS for ANYONE to see or buy him - she only came here because she couldn't get the amount she listed him for..... which was INSANE