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adorame · 07-25-2007, 04:05 PM

Is this daycare home also state funded? I ask only because I am a stay at home mother who just last November became State certified to help out my friend with her two girls. I only watch her kids. Anyway's I had to take classes and I have to follow the State Rules and post a NO SMOKING sign on my door while the girls are under my care. I do not smoke so I had no problem with this. The policy states that no person is allowed to smoke in an indoor or outdoor area attached to the house (porch) during business time. or if you are in the yard and a child is by you, you cannot smoke in front of the child.

I would also bring to your child's attention the dangers of smoking. They start this in Pre school with children in our school system where I am from, so do not think that it is to much for them to hear.

I think that you are right to be mad! I do think that you should turn them in if you can , It is wrong for them to unsupervised young kids or smoke in with the babies that are sleeping. If I was a mother of one of those babies I would like it if a parent that knew something like this to inform me so that I could pull my baby out of their daycare program.

MyFairLacy · 07-25-2007, 05:03 PM

I can't believe people on that parenting form would say all of that to you and be okay with what the daycare worker is doing. That is seriously the problem with our society now and why I don't like being around most kids - so many parents are not raising their kids right! They let them see, hear, and do whatever, no discipline, no teaching right from wrong, nothing... Kids run around wild, throw tantrums, etc. I'm shocked by some of the things I see some parents do and say around their kids - curse words and the things they talk about.. it's really no wonder why so many kids are unbearable to be around these days.

Don't let anyone tell you that you're wrong. I think you are making a great decision to pull your daughter out of daycare. You don't think smoking is acceptable and don't want your daughter to smoke, so you should limit her exposure to it as much as possible. Of course she is going to see people smoke at some point but she won't know most of those people. There is a huge difference on the impact seeing that has on a kid when it is someone they know well and someone they don't know at all. Kids want to be like the important people in their life - not some stranger they've never seen before. So your kid will be much more likely to mimic a family member or daycare worker than a stranger she meets one day.

I don't believe in going overboard in sheltering a kid (I had friends growing up that were WAY too sheltered - not allowed to do anything - and grew up to have some major issues) but you do have to shelter your kids to a point.

I would pull her out of daycare and have a talk with the daycare owner to let her know why you are pulling her out.

On another note - I like having a dog instead of a kid because I can say and do anything around her and it won't be repeated..LOL

cheeselover8481 · 07-25-2007, 05:10 PM

WHAT?!? They banned smoking from restaurants and other public places, but they allow this in a daycare?!? Isn't there a rule for no smoking within a certain feet of a public place? How come there is a rule against smoking on public school grounds but not on a daycare property?

Tillys_mom · 07-25-2007, 05:13 PM

I think you are handling it better than I would to be honest. You have every right to be mad. I'm furious for you! You should never smoke around the children if you are running or working at a daycare. It's sad that people don't have common sense. They will give a child care degree to anyone it seems. I use to work at two different daycares a few years ago and that is the reason I won't send my kids to daycare. Not all of them are bad, but it just scared me. The owner would throw big parties at the daycare and would get completly trashed and forget about all the booze laying around. There would be baby food next to the beer in the refrigerator. I would take the kids out to play and they would bring me tops to beer bottles and I'd have to hide it from the others. I was sick of covering for her. That is just setting bad examples for the children.

s13silviagirl · 07-26-2007, 04:18 AM

OMG that makes me IRATE! Slam the heck out of that woman! I can't believe she would do that! Poor kids, there are even signs now that 3rd hand smoke (stuff in faberic and on ones skin) can cause cancer in adults...and KIDS!

Best of luck to you! Keep us updated!

iloveemmy · 07-26-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cheeselover8481

WHAT?!? They banned smoking from restaurants and other public places, but they allow this in a daycare?!? Isn't there a rule for no smoking within a certain feet of a public place? How come there is a rule against smoking on public school grounds but not on a daycare property?

AMEN!

GracieLou · 07-26-2007, 05:26 AM

i work in a daycare and that is certainly not acceptable! for many reasons including second hand smoke and also there influence on the kids! Kids look up to them that is showing them that this is okay! You should definately talk to the lady! and if she will continue i would personally find somewheres else somewheres they are more professional about things you know! I hope everything works out ! Update us!

pepe mint · 07-26-2007, 06:34 AM

I did talk to her yesterday. She is begging me not to pull Trinity out. She says she will make whatever changes needed to make it a better place. She immediately told me (without me asking) that she will ban herself and her workers from smoking in the presence of the kids. She said they will only be allowed to smoke upstairs in her kitchen (which is completely closed off from the day care area) or on the balcony (which is completely away from the children's vision). She offered several solutions and assured me it would not be a problem any longer. After talking to a few people about this, we have decided to give it another chance and see if ms brenda does change things. she said "effective immediately", so I assume this means i will see the changes the next time i go there.

GracieLou · 07-26-2007, 06:52 AM

well im glad she is going to do the right thing and change her old ways! Hope everything works out!

pepe mint · 07-26-2007, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GracieLou

well im glad she is going to do the right thing and change her old ways! Hope everything works out!

thank you, me too. my daughter only has 3 weeks left there until school starts, but it is good that she is changing things...the other kids will benefit from it even when we are gone.

chloeandj · 07-26-2007, 07:19 AM

What did she say about leaving the kids unattended?

pepe mint · 07-26-2007, 08:07 AM

she said that she sits by the glass door while the babies are sleeping and watches the kids. she also has a video camera on the play area outside, as well as the entrance to the day care from the parking lot, that plays on the big tv inside the baby room (i have known about this). My friend and I both voiced our concern about this and she said she will be sure someone is out there at any time there is a child outside.

zoeybear · 07-26-2007, 08:34 AM

I agree that they should not be smoking near the children. There will be other people who smoke in front of your children. In public places where smoking is allowed, you cant stop your daughter from being exposed. This is a good oportunity to restate your case against smoking. I agree that you should look for a new daycare. It is difficult to find someone who is good, but daily exposure to second hand smoke is really bad. I would have a long talk with my daughter about the daycare worker. Tell her that she is not a bad person, but she has a bad habit and it is dangerous to her health and your daughters health.If you continue to send your daughter there it seems like sending a mixed message. Good luck. I remember those daycare days...

adorame · 07-26-2007, 09:56 AM

This day care home sounds fishy to me. You would think that they would have to follow rules regarding your child's safety!

I am a License /Certified day care provider for the state of Ohio. I was certified this past January, and I had to take classes and I have rules the my home has to follow or I can have my License taken away. I was given a provider rules form 5101:2-14-58.

Rule U states that No home provider shall alow anyone to smoke in any indoor or outdoor space that is part of the home during the hours the home is in operation:

U (1) states that according to section 5104.0414 of the revised code, the provider shall post in a conspicuous place at the main entrance of the home.

U(2) A provider ma allow a person to smoke at the home during hours of operation if the person cannot be seen smoking by the children being cared for and if the smoke in either of the following:

(a) An indoor area that is separately ventilated from the rest of the home. A separately ventilated room is a room that is enclosed and separately ventilated, with a separate heating and cooling system and direct external exhaust to provide protection from tobacco smoke

(b) An outdoor area that is so far removed from the children cared for that they cannot inhale any smoke.

pepe mint · 07-26-2007, 06:08 PM

today I got there to pick my daughter up and ms. brenda pulled me aside and thanked me again for calling her on this. she said she feels so good about her decisions to change the way some things were done and she can't thank me enough for my phone call. she said she appreciates me being comfortable enough to bring it to her attention...where some parents may not be...and would just never come back...and then the problem never gets solved.

i appreciated her pulling me aside like that...it meant a lot.

07-25-2007, 05:03 PM	#47
MyFairLacy Donating YT 10K Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 11,003	I can't believe people on that parenting form would say all of that to you and be okay with what the daycare worker is doing. That is seriously the problem with our society now and why I don't like being around most kids - so many parents are not raising their kids right! They let them see, hear, and do whatever, no discipline, no teaching right from wrong, nothing... Kids run around wild, throw tantrums, etc. I'm shocked by some of the things I see some parents do and say around their kids - curse words and the things they talk about.. it's really no wonder why so many kids are unbearable to be around these days. Don't let anyone tell you that you're wrong. I think you are making a great decision to pull your daughter out of daycare. You don't think smoking is acceptable and don't want your daughter to smoke, so you should limit her exposure to it as much as possible. Of course she is going to see people smoke at some point but she won't know most of those people. There is a huge difference on the impact seeing that has on a kid when it is someone they know well and someone they don't know at all. Kids want to be like the important people in their life - not some stranger they've never seen before. So your kid will be much more likely to mimic a family member or daycare worker than a stranger she meets one day. I don't believe in going overboard in sheltering a kid (I had friends growing up that were WAY too sheltered - not allowed to do anything - and grew up to have some major issues) but you do have to shelter your kids to a point. I would pull her out of daycare and have a talk with the daycare owner to let her know why you are pulling her out. On another note - I like having a dog instead of a kid because I can say and do anything around her and it won't be repeated..LOL __________________ ~Magnifique Yorkies~ Purchasing from backyard breeders, pet shops, and puppymills perpetuates the suffering of other dogs. Educate yourself and buy from reputable breeders or rescue.

07-25-2007, 05:13 PM	#49
Tillys_mom Spoilin' Tilly & Jack Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 2,227	I think you are handling it better than I would to be honest. You have every right to be mad. I'm furious for you! You should never smoke around the children if you are running or working at a daycare. It's sad that people don't have common sense. They will give a child care degree to anyone it seems. I use to work at two different daycares a few years ago and that is the reason I won't send my kids to daycare. Not all of them are bad, but it just scared me. The owner would throw big parties at the daycare and would get completly trashed and forget about all the booze laying around. There would be baby food next to the beer in the refrigerator. I would take the kids out to play and they would bring me tops to beer bottles and I'd have to hide it from the others. I was sick of covering for her. That is just setting bad examples for the children. __________________ Momma Tilly Money will buy you a pretty good dog, but it won't buy the wag of his tail.

07-26-2007, 04:18 AM	#50
s13silviagirl Donating YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sunny Southern California!!!! Posts: 1,877	OMG that makes me IRATE! Slam the heck out of that woman! I can't believe she would do that! Poor kids, there are even signs now that 3rd hand smoke (stuff in faberic and on ones skin) can cause cancer in adults...and KIDS! Best of luck to you! Keep us updated! __________________ My cute little Turbo butt! YES, we are also avid members of the CRAZYCLUB & Little Gentleman's Club! Turbo 's Tumi!!!

07-26-2007, 05:26 AM	#52
GracieLou The grace of god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: LA Posts: 1,945	i work in a daycare and that is certainly not acceptable! for many reasons including second hand smoke and also there influence on the kids! Kids look up to them that is showing them that this is okay! You should definately talk to the lady! and if she will continue i would personally find somewheres else somewheres they are more professional about things you know! I hope everything works out ! Update us! __________________ Gracie Lou

07-26-2007, 06:34 AM	#53
pepe mint YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 11,145	I did talk to her yesterday. She is begging me not to pull Trinity out. She says she will make whatever changes needed to make it a better place. She immediately told me (without me asking) that she will ban herself and her workers from smoking in the presence of the kids. She said they will only be allowed to smoke upstairs in her kitchen (which is completely closed off from the day care area) or on the balcony (which is completely away from the children's vision). She offered several solutions and assured me it would not be a problem any longer. After talking to a few people about this, we have decided to give it another chance and see if ms brenda does change things. she said "effective immediately", so I assume this means i will see the changes the next time i go there. __________________ Anyone who does not know what soap tastes like has never washed a dog

07-25-2007, 04:05 PM	#46
adorame YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,312 Blog Entries: 1	Is this daycare home also state funded? I ask only because I am a stay at home mother who just last November became State certified to help out my friend with her two girls. I only watch her kids. Anyway's I had to take classes and I have to follow the State Rules and post a NO SMOKING sign on my door while the girls are under my care. I do not smoke so I had no problem with this. The policy states that no person is allowed to smoke in an indoor or outdoor area attached to the house (porch) during business time. or if you are in the yard and a child is by you, you cannot smoke in front of the child. I would also bring to your child's attention the dangers of smoking. They start this in Pre school with children in our school system where I am from, so do not think that it is to much for them to hear. I think that you are right to be mad! I do think that you should turn them in if you can , It is wrong for them to unsupervised young kids or smoke in with the babies that are sleeping. If I was a mother of one of those babies I would like it if a parent that knew something like this to inform me so that I could pull my baby out of their daycare program.

07-25-2007, 05:10 PM	#48
cheeselover8481 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: knoxville Posts: 1,537	WHAT?!? They banned smoking from restaurants and other public places, but they allow this in a daycare?!? Isn't there a rule for no smoking within a certain feet of a public place? How come there is a rule against smoking on public school grounds but not on a daycare property?

07-26-2007, 06:52 AM	#54
GracieLou The grace of god Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: LA Posts: 1,945	well im glad she is going to do the right thing and change her old ways! Hope everything works out! __________________ Gracie Lou

07-26-2007, 07:19 AM	#56
chloeandj Tinkerbell, My Little Flutterpup Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful California! Posts: 6,112	What did she say about leaving the kids unattended?

07-26-2007, 08:07 AM	#57
pepe mint YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 11,145	she said that she sits by the glass door while the babies are sleeping and watches the kids. she also has a video camera on the play area outside, as well as the entrance to the day care from the parking lot, that plays on the big tv inside the baby room (i have known about this). My friend and I both voiced our concern about this and she said she will be sure someone is out there at any time there is a child outside. __________________ Anyone who does not know what soap tastes like has never washed a dog

07-26-2007, 08:34 AM	#58
zoeybear Misssing Baby Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California Posts: 4,186	I agree that they should not be smoking near the children. There will be other people who smoke in front of your children. In public places where smoking is allowed, you cant stop your daughter from being exposed. This is a good oportunity to restate your case against smoking. I agree that you should look for a new daycare. It is difficult to find someone who is good, but daily exposure to second hand smoke is really bad. I would have a long talk with my daughter about the daycare worker. Tell her that she is not a bad person, but she has a bad habit and it is dangerous to her health and your daughters health.If you continue to send your daughter there it seems like sending a mixed message. Good luck. I remember those daycare days... __________________ We give dogs time we can spare, space we can spare and love we can spare. And in return, dogs give us their all. It's the best deal man has ever made. -M. Acklam

07-26-2007, 09:56 AM	#59
adorame YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,312 Blog Entries: 1	This day care home sounds fishy to me. You would think that they would have to follow rules regarding your child's safety! I am a License /Certified day care provider for the state of Ohio. I was certified this past January, and I had to take classes and I have rules the my home has to follow or I can have my License taken away. I was given a provider rules form 5101:2-14-58. Rule U states that No home provider shall alow anyone to smoke in any indoor or outdoor space that is part of the home during the hours the home is in operation: U (1) states that according to section 5104.0414 of the revised code, the provider shall post in a conspicuous place at the main entrance of the home. U(2) A provider ma allow a person to smoke at the home during hours of operation if the person cannot be seen smoking by the children being cared for and if the smoke in either of the following: (a) An indoor area that is separately ventilated from the rest of the home. A separately ventilated room is a room that is enclosed and separately ventilated, with a separate heating and cooling system and direct external exhaust to provide protection from tobacco smoke (b) An outdoor area that is so far removed from the children cared for that they cannot inhale any smoke.

07-26-2007, 06:08 PM	#60
pepe mint YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 11,145	today I got there to pick my daughter up and ms. brenda pulled me aside and thanked me again for calling her on this. she said she feels so good about her decisions to change the way some things were done and she can't thank me enough for my phone call. she said she appreciates me being comfortable enough to bring it to her attention...where some parents may not be...and would just never come back...and then the problem never gets solved. i appreciated her pulling me aside like that...it meant a lot. __________________ Anyone who does not know what soap tastes like has never washed a dog