Casey Anthony Trial

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

It's funny, but I think everyone here, besides me, thinks the mother is lying. I'm just not as sure of that part as all of you, but if the jury thinks like the majority of Yorkietalkers, they are going to think she's lying too.

With me, her testimony didn't change my mind enough to show Casey is innocent. I think what we are really talking about is, “Was the act premeditated?” I do not think the state has ever shown that, I do think she gave her different drugs when she went out to party, and may have even kept her in the trunk when she was visiting her boyfriends. She’s told people before that she gave her daughter drugs to make her sleep. Why the state didn’t make these people testify, I don’t know, it’s almost like the state thought that might show it could have been accidental? Maybe the other drugs weren't working as well any longer and she gave her something stronger, chloroform? Was the taping of the mouth to keep her quiet, who knows, but, even so, this is such extreme abuse, that she deserves to be severely punished? I’m also upset that she seems to be making up the story about the drowning and her father’s involvement, as an former police officer, I just don’t buy that he’d ever do this, and if so, it wouldn’t be this sloppy. He also would have never told police officers that his own car smelled like a dead body.

I’ve read of other “mothers” keeping their children in the trunk, while they did their own thing, and if Casey slept in too long in the morning, and left her daughter in the trunk, with the Florida sun, it would have killed her.


How many of you think it was premeditated, and why?

You know, I'm not sure it was premeditated. I'm not sure if she just knocked her out to party and it was too much and she died, that may be the case.
What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is how her attorney throws out to the world that her dad and brother sexually abused her, and the dad dumps the body, but they are supporting her. I really don't get that. How is it the father and brother would not be outraged that someone is alleging such horrendous acts?? It makes no sense unless there is something seriously disturbing being covered up.
Maybe when she discovered the child dead, she did tell them at the time and they helped cover it up and now they are trying to avoid something coming back on them.
Why on earth are they testifying about baby showers and stuff surrounding her birth! What does this have to do with her death

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Reese1

You know, I'm not sure it was premeditated. I'm not sure if she just knocked her out to party and it was too much and she died, that may be the case.
What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is how her attorney throws out to the world that her dad and brother sexually abused her, and the dad dumps the body, but they are supporting her. I really don't get that. How is it the father and brother would not be outraged that someone is alleging such horrendous acts?? It makes no sense unless there is something seriously disturbing being covered up.
Maybe when she discovered the child dead, she did tell them at the time and they helped cover it up and now they are trying to avoid something coming back on them.
Why on earth are they testifying about baby showers and stuff surrounding her birth! What does this have to do with her death

That blows my mind too, my guess, is the attorney is blaming it on himself, and says that this is Casey only chance. otherwise the state of Florida will execute her and we need her to sound sympathetic. There are so many things about this case that blow my mind! I don't think the family tried to cover it up, if you listen to Cindy on the three 911 calls, you really learn when she learned that Casey was actually missing.

I really think the defense should have gone for some type of insanity plea, she does seem to be living in a different reality than everyone else, and that would have been so easy to prove.

About the shower thing, the defense tried to show that grandma was so embarrassed about the out of wedlock child that she didn't have the shower until after the baby was born, but son says "no, it's because the baby was early."

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Reese1

You know, I'm not sure it was premeditated. I'm not sure if she just knocked her out to party and it was too much and she died, that may be the case.
What I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is how her attorney throws out to the world that her dad and brother sexually abused her, and the dad dumps the body, but they are supporting her. I really don't get that. How is it the father and brother would not be outraged that someone is alleging such horrendous acts?? It makes no sense unless there is something seriously disturbing being covered up.
Maybe when she discovered the child dead, she did tell them at the time and they helped cover it up and now they are trying to avoid something coming back on them.
Why on earth are they testifying about baby showers and stuff surrounding her birth! What does this have to do with her death

This is solely my opinion- so please only take it as that. In my experience, people have trouble understanding that people are not either ALL GOOD or ALL BAD. This is often exemplified when people commit horrendous acts, and then you have people interviewed on TV saying "I had no idea she/he was capable of this, they were always so nice..." or a very contemporary example when Angelina Jolie was viewed like a homewrecker because Brad and Jennifer Aniston ended their relationship and then subsequently Brad and Angelina started dating. Her humanitarian efforts were undervalued (by the masses) as something a guilty person does (when in fact she was involved in many humanitarian issues way before her supposed affair with Brad). What I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that people have a hard time accepting that a callous murderer MIGHT have had good times with her daughter (i.e., baby showers, pictures with her daughter etc) because how can someone who doesn't care about their daughter do such things? I'm not saying that everyone is like this, it's just something I've realized about most people I've come across...people that do good things can't possibly be bad, right? And vice versa people that do bad things can't be good, right? As always we need to think of the good vs bad thing in terms of a continuum and not a dichotomy...and I think that listing "normal" things and events such as baby showers might put Casey into the "good" category and take her out of the "bad" one...if that makes sense? Sorry for the rant.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

That blows my mind too, my guess, is the attorney is blaming it on himself, and says that this is Casey only chance. otherwise the state of Florida will execute her and we need her to sound sympathetic. There are so many things about this case that blow my mind! I don't think the family tried to cover it up, if you listen to Cindy on the three 911 calls, you really learn when she learned that Casey was actually missing.

I really think the defense should have gone for some type of insanity plea, she does seem to be living in a different reality than everyone else, and that would have been so easy to prove.

About the shower thing, the defense tried to show that grandma was so embarrassed about the out of wedlock child that she didn't have the shower until after the baby was born, but son says "no, it's because the baby was early."

But her mom testified that she did have a shower planned before and had to change the date.
I have heard that 911 call. Maybe the father knew, and not the mother. Do you think that is possible, or the brother?
Yes, I guess they could have spun an insanity plea. I think the whole family has issues.

[gidget529]

This discussion on here is as exciting as the trial! I agree w some points mentioned. I also am not sure it was a premeditated act of murder. Maybe a premeditated act of sedating a child or ducttaping her and placing her in trunk as a babysitter, and then child died as consequence. I would like to see her spend life in jail, subject to getting along w other inmates.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

This is solely my opinion- so please only take it as that. In my experience, people have trouble understanding that people are not either ALL GOOD or ALL BAD. This is often exemplified when people commit horrendous acts, and then you have people interviewed on TV saying "I had no idea she/he was capable of this, they were always so nice..." or a very contemporary example when Angelina Jolie was viewed like a homewrecker because Brad and Jennifer Aniston ended their relationship and then subsequently Brad and Angelina started dating. Her humanitarian efforts were undervalued (by the masses) as something a guilty person does (when in fact she was involved in many humanitarian issues way before her supposed affair with Brad). What I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that people have a hard time accepting that a callous murderer MIGHT have had good times with her daughter (i.e., baby showers, pictures with her daughter etc) because how can someone who doesn't care about their daughter do such things? I'm not saying that everyone is like this, it's just something I've realized about most people I've come across...people that do good things can't possibly be bad, right? And vice versa people that do bad things can't be good, right? As always we need to think of the good vs bad thing in terms of a continuum and not a dichotomy...and I think that listing "normal" things and events such as baby showers might put Casey into the "good" category and take her out of the "bad" one...if that makes sense? Sorry for the rant.

I see what you are saying. I know if I were on the jury though I would not be swayed by events 2-3 years earlier. I think bad people can have good moments and vice versa. But it would not impact whether I thought she killed her child because she had a baby shower.

[Nancy1999]

This is a very good site: LIVE STREAM: Testimony Resumes In Casey Anthony Trial - Watch It Here Live | Radar Online. In between testimony, they bring viewers up to speed.

[gidget529]

Lost train of thought, sorry. I also agree, ppl are not completely bad or good. We see it in abuse cases. The parent or spouse can be quite loving at times and then at other times quite sadistic. I also agree that they should have used an insanity plea. I think there are quite a few points that could add up to a serious personality disorder, at the least. I think you must be able to prove though that she had been so psychiatrically ill at the time of the murder that she did not know right from wrong. I think sociopaths have some conscience of right and wrong, they can just justify an ends to means because the act in the long run will benefit them.

[Reese1]

Originally Posted by gidget529

Lost train of thought, sorry. I also agree, ppl are not completely bad or good. We see it in abuse cases. The parent or spouse can be quite loving at times and then at other times quite sadistic. I also agree that they should have used an insanity plea. I think there are quite a few points that could add up to a serious personality disorder, at the least. I think you must be able to prove though that she had been so psychiatrically ill at the time of the murder that she did not know right from wrong. I think sociopaths have some conscience of right and wrong, they can just justify an ends to means because the act in the long run will benefit them.

Yes, the drowning makes no sense. As tragic as it is, drownings occur all the time. Parents are not typically prosecuted for accidental drownings. So the fact that you would not call police/911, and instead dump the child in the woods if it was in fact an accident is bizarre. So it's just not believable.
It's like they are throwing several defenses out there to see what sticks.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Reese1

But her mom testified that she did have a shower planned before and had to change the date.
I have heard that 911 call. Maybe the father knew, and not the mother. Do you think that is possible, or the brother?
Yes, I guess they could have spun an insanity plea. I think the whole family has issues.

Yes I agree that the mother testified the shower was to be earlier, this testimony was for the brother to collaborate what the mother had said, and that is that "they welcomed the baby openly." The defense attorney had been trying to show that parents were ashamed of the baby, so this worked against defense.

I thought about the father too, but if you remember he was an former police officer, don't you think he would have been able to hide the baby so it would have never been found? Also, why would he tell police officers that the car smelled like it had a dead body in it? Furthermore, why would he have helped her, knowing the law, if indeed it was accidental, and she came clean right away, she probably wouldn't have been in that much trouble, however, waiting, makes it look like murder.

[Nancy1999]

On the side bar they just said that the defense attorneys asked Casey twice to wear a wire to try and get proof that her parents knew about the drowning, she refused to do it. Did she refuse because she wants to protect her parents, heck no, that’s obvious, she refused because she knew they didn’t know about any drowning. (My opinion only.)

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

On the side bar they just said that the defense attorneys asked Casey twice to wear a wire to try and get proof that her parents knew about the drowning, she refused to do it. Did she refuse because she wants to protect her parents, heck no, that’s obvious, she refused because she knew they didn’t know about any drowning. (My opinion only.)

Please feel free to add my name to the end of your posts because I completely agree with everything you type.

[TammyJM]

I feel like the defense goes in circles trying to make points and then then end up not making any sense. Here's the most recent that I am talking about.....they (Casey and Cindy) kicked George out of the home breifly because he was in a rage (their words) and was demanding that Casey tell them where Kaylee was. Oddly, Cindy told him to leave and she continued to clean the house and act nice to Casey because she felt she would get more answers this way. Then, defense is trying to tie George to the duct tape today by interviewing a woman that said she witnessed him putting up flyers and using the tape. None of it makes sense and I think it makes the defense team look like they are desperate. If George truly knew what had happened why is it that he was upset, to the point of being told to move out for a while??

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

On the side bar they just said that the defense attorneys asked Casey twice to wear a wire to try and get proof that her parents knew about the drowning, she refused to do it. Did she refuse because she wants to protect her parents, heck no, that’s obvious, she refused because she knew they didn’t know about any drowning. (My opinion only.)

It was a volunteer member of the Texas Equus Search team they asked. They first wanted her to put a bug in a lampshade or something in the Anthony home and she wouldn't. Then they asked her to wear a wire. She said (according to the witness) that she would have to ask her husband. She then refused to wear a wire.

[yorkietalkjilly]

It is just me, or does the brother Lee seem a little on the over-emotional and totally odd side? I just cannot see my brother carrying on like that because of my pregnancy!!! And I don't think one of my uncles would come unwrapped because of my mother's pregnancy the way that guy did because they weren't told about it or weren't "included"! That guy is strange!!!

And I still do not see any evidence that the child died in an accident but am seeing a very clear picture of how it could be foul play!