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Erin · 06-23-2009, 08:22 AM

They have done 100 episodes so far - if they make the reported $50,000 an episode that is $5 MILLION. Plus her book deal. (Yes, I know there are taxes, etc. but then they didn't need a $1.2M house.) If spent wisely, with no mortgage and college paid for, they could easily quit their show and survive with one or both of them working.

CPS probably wouldn't get involved, but if the kids were considered "child actors" they would not have been allowed to film. There is a loophole that allows them to film because they are not scripted, not acting. But still, it's an intrusion into the kids lives. A special or short series would have been fine, but these kids have never been on a vacation without cameras, never had a holiday without cameras...

I don't understand what sort of job Jon was supposed to go get? He was the kids primary caregiver. He was taking care of the kids while Kate was off doing speaking engagements, the Today Show, Dr. Phil, book signings, etc.

TatumsMom · 06-23-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Erin

You guys keep blaming Jon, and while he may very well be equally responsible, we do not know the entire story. According to Kate's family, Kate called it off a while back but told him he had to keep living at home and keep up the act for the cameras. So if that is true, he wasn't cheating on her as they were already separated. He just got caught when he was supposed to be quiet about it. That's probably why he's not been as apologetic. It's also where the "Standing up for himself" comment came from. He doesn't want to do the show and she does. Why would anyone force their spouse to participate in the production if they don't want to? If they were careful with their money, they would easily have enough for college for the kids - they make around $50,000 a episode. Her book deal paid for that house (which is gorgeous, but they could have bought a 5 bedroom house for half as much if they were so worried about money.)

Also, Kate has like 11 "helpers" - chef, nanny, laundry service. She's not doing this alone but she sure wants you to think she is. She is playing the victim.

She spends 20 days a month on her book/speaking tour. Watch their interviews and notice how all Kate says is "the show must go on" and Jon just keeps talking about how he's going to see his kids. You can also see their interaction - Jon plays with and enjoys his kids, Kate seems to find them to be props at best.

Of course everyone wishes they would work it out for their kids. But anyone who has seen the show can see that they do not get along. They need to stop the show, focus on the kids, and stop lying to the public and people will stop caring about their every shopping trip. The media only became interested because it was a scandal - because they were lying to their audience. If they come clean and stop lying they won't be on the front page of the tabloids much longer.

I agree about the "guest stars" How about Supernanny?

I agree with all of that and it's pretty much exactly what I've heard too (except that I think it's $75K per episode). The only thing I think Jon could have done differently is to have stood up to Kate in the very beginning. She had him "whooped" to the point where he didn't have much of a say in anything. He said a long time ago that he really didn't want to do the show anymore but he was overruled. Jon's never really shown much emotion so I think his attitude now is coming across as him not caring. I want to think that he does care but is only doing what Kate insists BUT really, some of the things he's done recently don't point in that direction. I've seen both of them raise their hands to the kids and the kid flinch in response. What does that say? And yes, she has quite a few helpers but wants everyone to think she does it all herself. Her brother and SIL said that she called it quits a while back and yes, I think he was doing what she told him he could do and she is now acting like that "agreement" never happened.

RachelGenson · 06-23-2009, 09:00 AM

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I agree with all of that and it's pretty much exactly what I've heard too (except that I think it's $75K per episode). The only thing I think Jon could have done differently is to have stood up to Kate in the very beginning. She had him "whooped" to the point where he didn't have much of a say in anything. He said a long time ago that he really didn't want to do the show anymore but he was overruled. Jon's never really shown much emotion so I think his attitude now is coming across as him not caring. I want to think that he does care but is only doing what Kate insists BUT really, some of the things he's done recently don't point in that direction. I've seen both of them raise their hands to the kids and the kid flinch in response. What does that say? And yes, she has quite a few helpers but wants everyone to think she does it all herself. Her brother and SIL said that she called it quits a while back and yes, I think he was doing what she told him he could do and she is now acting like that "agreement" never happened.

I completely agree

I also realized while watching the show last night, that I don't feel as though Kate is really as distraught as what she makes everyone beleive. Especially when she said "I just dont want to be alone". To me that says that she is just "comfortable" with the situation that she is in, and she doesnt want it to change because that is what is familiar to her. I think she may love Jon, but she is not "in" love with him, she is just "in" love with the fact that she gets $75,000 per episode. I mean really, with that much money, at 100 episodes, Im thinking college and home could be paid for already with alittle left over.

Erin · 06-23-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TatumsMom

I agree with all of that and it's pretty much exactly what I've heard too (except that I think it's $75K per episode). The only thing I think Jon could have done differently is to have stood up to Kate in the very beginning. She had him "whooped" to the point where he didn't have much of a say in anything. He said a long time ago that he really didn't want to do the show anymore but he was overruled. Jon's never really shown much emotion so I think his attitude now is coming across as him not caring. I want to think that he does care but is only doing what Kate insists BUT really, some of the things he's done recently don't point in that direction. I've seen both of them raise their hands to the kids and the kid flinch in response. What does that say? And yes, she has quite a few helpers but wants everyone to think she does it all herself. Her brother and SIL said that she called it quits a while back and yes, I think he was doing what she told him he could do and she is now acting like that "agreement" never happened.

Yeah I think both of them could use some parenting lessons - I really do think they could use Supernanny's help. Anyone would get overwhelmed with 8 kids! I want to know why the 5 year olds still wear bibs and drink from sippy cups, but I don't have kids so that might be normal?

And yeah, he should have stood up for himself back then. Maybe he did? They were young and he was definitely immature and not ready for a huge family. People have said he was happy with just the twins. Their marriage may have been in trouble for a long time but they had 6 babies to care for and didn't have time for themselves. Now that the kids are into a routine and they have help, they probably realized they really don't like each other. It's so sad.

Bizzymammabee · 06-23-2009, 10:19 AM

TLC just put the show on Hiatus until August 3rd. It's a good thing that maybe they are thinking of the kids. This whole storm has just blown on top of them. They need time. I hope that things work out for the little ones.

You have to wonder what happened this weekend that pushed her to file divorce. The initial was supposed to be the seperation but something happened that she went full force and had the papers filed on Monday.

TatumsMom · 06-23-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee

TLC just put the show on Hiatus until August 3rd. It's a good thing that maybe they are thinking of the kids. This whole storm has just blown on top of them. They need time. I hope that things work out for the little ones.

You have to wonder what happened this weekend that pushed her to file divorce. The initial was supposed to be the seperation but something happened that she went full force and had the papers filed on Monday.

I just saw that announcement also. I really do wonder what must have happened for her to file for divorce after saying they were doing the separation.

alisonJ · 06-23-2009, 10:35 AM

I have never seen this show, but I am already sick of it

Erin · 06-23-2009, 10:42 AM

Apparently Kate isn't home and hasn't been home for 4 days. Jon says he doesn't know where she is. Wouldn't you want to be there for your kids during all of this, even if you don't sleep there but just visit during the day?

Bizzymammabee · 06-23-2009, 10:43 AM

I am not sure but it has to be bad. They petitioned to have the filing sealed. God knows what sort of accusations/proof are in those petitions.

It's funny because I was thinking back to the episode..I think it was pathetic how he was running around with that blue tooth headset on and kept checking his cell. UMM who on earth is that important that it should infringe on your time with your children. The most important folks are right there with you and the time was supposed to be about them. Maybe the new chick is cracking the whip.

jeanm1963 · 06-23-2009, 10:57 AM

While I feel horribly bad for these kids I just really have to blame the parents, Kate more then Jon. Having 8 children is hard , Yes, however, there are millions of people who do it everyday. My MIL had 8 children under 11 years old my FIL left her for a younger woman. She had her first child at 17 never had a job and didnt know much other then housework and babies.. Well she did it, she got a full time time, managed to become Head of ATT office locally and used team work with her children. No they werent spoiled , they didnt have matching outfits , she didnt have a vehicle that fit all the kids comfortably but she managed.... They did alot of family cookouts, day trips to the beach , and picnics , those are days my xhusband will forever be greatful for, he loved his mother because she did stuggle to make ends meet, she didnt take a traveling postion because her children meant more to her, she turned down many oportunities to excel in her company because the hours were not good for her children.... She had 8 kids and did it on 1 income, no alimony and very little child support. They had a nice home and special days togehter... What Kate needs to understand is while having a beautiful home and lots of money in the bank is great, it has its consquences as well. paperazzi, living in a fishbowl and a nanny raising her children... I cant take the poor me's because THIS IS WHAT SHE CHOSE.. IT WAS NOT CHOSEN FOR HER... I just honestly feel badly for the children that they will not only have no grandparents, no aunts and uncles , no more Nana , and now with all this going on Im sure Jon will move on to differnt things and not see the kids as often as he was!! Sad Sad SAd

Breeze · 06-23-2009, 12:26 PM

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I believe everything happened to fast for jon to handle. I also think he fell into a helluva identity crisis. Where did he belong? What was his role?
He was made to stay home and be with the kids while his wife ran the circuit about her books and tours. He did let her walk all over him, he allowed that and he should not have. Maybe he was the better person on TV not airing back what she was giving him. You can't have so little respect for your husband as to rule the roost in front of millions.
Let's not forget that she was accused of having a affair with her body guard. And their older daughter told Daddy, Mom was kissing him in the room.
They are both wrong, not just Jon. Kate's not a loser here. Most of the shows will still concentrate on her and the children. So she's a winner.
Jon on the other hand can now go out and get a job and feel like a man again.
Personally with her on the run all the time, I don't know where she gets off saying, he won't communicate with her. Maybe he needs to make a appointment.
And Kate has help all over the place. She isn't raising their kids alone. There are many workers there helping with the kids.
Truth is, none of us will ever know the real story. Only what we hear them say and what the tabloids want us to hear. Which is all BS
I wish them both luck. And the children? May God watch over them always

You said it all for me! Great post.

tammy8833 · 06-23-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Erin

Yeah I think both of them could use some parenting lessons - I really do think they could use Supernanny's help. Anyone would get overwhelmed with 8 kids! I want to know why the 5 year olds still wear bibs and drink from sippy cups, but I don't have kids so that might be normal?

And yeah, he should have stood up for himself back then. Maybe he did? They were young and he was definitely immature and not ready for a huge family. People have said he was happy with just the twins. Their marriage may have been in trouble for a long time but they had 6 babies to care for and didn't have time for themselves. Now that the kids are into a routine and they have help, they probably realized they really don't like each other. It's so sad.

i would say that normal when they are wearing really nice outfits you dont want them to get ruined...i swear every time i buy myself something nice i get more on the "girls" then in my mouth...lol

roxies_mom · 06-24-2009, 06:24 AM

lol after reading everyones post since my last one I have a different thought. I think Kate should be the one to move out and get her own place, Jon should stay with the kids and Kate should pay child support and allamony!! What's everyones thoughts on that?

MeganS · 06-24-2009, 08:49 AM

I think that this is very sad. I wonder if there's more to it than the show, but it seems to mostly be due to the show. Divorce is never easy, whether someone is a control freak jerk or not. I understand Jon wanting to have a normal life. I understand Kate not wanting to do it alone. All of the blame can't be placed on 1 person.

Mybabyboymax · 06-24-2009, 12:04 PM

I have seen a few seasons of this show and noticed right away that Kate had issues and really needed to learn how to respect her husband. She disrespected him, belittled him and treated him as her 9th child. Im sorry but people can only take so much, it was only a matter of time before he got tired of the abuse and embarrassment. He should have never allowed it in the first place, but he did and look where it got them now. I will say that on the last show he didnt show much hurt, maybe hes one to hide his feeling, i dont know but he didnt seem like he cared much, her on the other hand seemed very sad and even said she didnt want the separation but I think her reasoning is all wrong. She said "i dont want to do it alone" shouldnt she have said "I love my husband and wish this could work" Those poor children are the ones left to suffer all becuase their parents wanted money...If you cant put your children first...then you shouldnt have children.

06-23-2009, 08:22 AM	#136
Erin Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 3,306	They have done 100 episodes so far - if they make the reported $50,000 an episode that is $5 MILLION. Plus her book deal. (Yes, I know there are taxes, etc. but then they didn't need a $1.2M house.) If spent wisely, with no mortgage and college paid for, they could easily quit their show and survive with one or both of them working. CPS probably wouldn't get involved, but if the kids were considered "child actors" they would not have been allowed to film. There is a loophole that allows them to film because they are not scripted, not acting. But still, it's an intrusion into the kids lives. A special or short series would have been fine, but these kids have never been on a vacation without cameras, never had a holiday without cameras... I don't understand what sort of job Jon was supposed to go get? He was the kids primary caregiver. He was taking care of the kids while Kate was off doing speaking engagements, the Today Show, Dr. Phil, book signings, etc. Last edited by Erin; 06-23-2009 at 08:23 AM.

06-23-2009, 10:19 AM	#140
Bizzymammabee Luvs Lulu Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,931 Blog Entries: 1	TLC just put the show on Hiatus until August 3rd. It's a good thing that maybe they are thinking of the kids. This whole storm has just blown on top of them. They need time. I hope that things work out for the little ones. You have to wonder what happened this weekend that pushed her to file divorce. The initial was supposed to be the seperation but something happened that she went full force and had the papers filed on Monday. __________________ Lulu will always be in my heart

06-23-2009, 10:35 AM	#142
alisonJ YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 1,840	I have never seen this show, but I am already sick of it __________________ Alison--Edith Jones's mother www.edithjonesproject.com

06-23-2009, 10:43 AM	#144
Bizzymammabee Luvs Lulu Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,931 Blog Entries: 1	I am not sure but it has to be bad. They petitioned to have the filing sealed. God knows what sort of accusations/proof are in those petitions. It's funny because I was thinking back to the episode..I think it was pathetic how he was running around with that blue tooth headset on and kept checking his cell. UMM who on earth is that important that it should infringe on your time with your children. The most important folks are right there with you and the time was supposed to be about them. Maybe the new chick is cracking the whip. __________________ Lulu will always be in my heart

06-23-2009, 10:57 AM	#145
jeanm1963 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Weymouth, Ma Posts: 2,584	While I feel horribly bad for these kids I just really have to blame the parents, Kate more then Jon. Having 8 children is hard , Yes, however, there are millions of people who do it everyday. My MIL had 8 children under 11 years old my FIL left her for a younger woman. She had her first child at 17 never had a job and didnt know much other then housework and babies.. Well she did it, she got a full time time, managed to become Head of ATT office locally and used team work with her children. No they werent spoiled , they didnt have matching outfits , she didnt have a vehicle that fit all the kids comfortably but she managed.... They did alot of family cookouts, day trips to the beach , and picnics , those are days my xhusband will forever be greatful for, he loved his mother because she did stuggle to make ends meet, she didnt take a traveling postion because her children meant more to her, she turned down many oportunities to excel in her company because the hours were not good for her children.... She had 8 kids and did it on 1 income, no alimony and very little child support. They had a nice home and special days togehter... What Kate needs to understand is while having a beautiful home and lots of money in the bank is great, it has its consquences as well. paperazzi, living in a fishbowl and a nanny raising her children... I cant take the poor me's because THIS IS WHAT SHE CHOSE.. IT WAS NOT CHOSEN FOR HER... I just honestly feel badly for the children that they will not only have no grandparents, no aunts and uncles , no more Nana , and now with all this going on Im sure Jon will move on to differnt things and not see the kids as often as he was!! Sad Sad SAd __________________ I Support http://www.yorkiesinc.com/

06-23-2009, 10:42 AM	#143
Erin Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago Suburbs Posts: 3,306	Apparently Kate isn't home and hasn't been home for 4 days. Jon says he doesn't know where she is. Wouldn't you want to be there for your kids during all of this, even if you don't sleep there but just visit during the day?

06-24-2009, 06:24 AM	#148
roxies_mom YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: central illinois Posts: 1,396 Blog Entries: 1	lol after reading everyones post since my last one I have a different thought. I think Kate should be the one to move out and get her own place, Jon should stay with the kids and Kate should pay child support and allamony!! What's everyones thoughts on that? __________________ "My sunshine doesn't come from the skies, it comes from the love in my dogs eyes"

06-24-2009, 08:49 AM	#149
MeganS Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 12,016 Blog Entries: 1	I think that this is very sad. I wonder if there's more to it than the show, but it seems to mostly be due to the show. Divorce is never easy, whether someone is a control freak jerk or not. I understand Jon wanting to have a normal life. I understand Kate not wanting to do it alone. All of the blame can't be placed on 1 person. __________________ Megan "I have my dreams, I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen All Gave Some; Some Gave All

06-24-2009, 12:04 PM	#150
Mybabyboymax Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 1,859	I have seen a few seasons of this show and noticed right away that Kate had issues and really needed to learn how to respect her husband. She disrespected him, belittled him and treated him as her 9th child. Im sorry but people can only take so much, it was only a matter of time before he got tired of the abuse and embarrassment. He should have never allowed it in the first place, but he did and look where it got them now. I will say that on the last show he didnt show much hurt, maybe hes one to hide his feeling, i dont know but he didnt seem like he cared much, her on the other hand seemed very sad and even said she didnt want the separation but I think her reasoning is all wrong. She said "i dont want to do it alone" shouldnt she have said "I love my husband and wish this could work" Those poor children are the ones left to suffer all becuase their parents wanted money...If you cant put your children first...then you shouldnt have children. __________________ Its SummerTime!