Jon and Kate Plus 8.What is going on??

[mojo]

Originally Posted by linz06

Bizzymammabee, I agree with EVERYTHING you've said. When people stop insulting the way she looks, maybe they could realize these are REAL people going through a REAL crisis. I don't find it funny or amusing. It's the demise of a marriage and a family.
Kate is a mom and she acts like a mom. I was spanked by my mom too, and there were only two of us to keep in line. It is disgusting how every move she makes is caught on tape and given a bad spin.
My heart is breaking for the children and Kate. Jon made a decision when he was 23 to be with Kate for the rest of his life. He can't say it all happened so fast... he CHOSE for it to happen so fast. He wants out, he's not cooperating, he's not communicating, he wouldn't even try. No matter how he feels Kate treated him, no matter if he felt angry and needed to stand up for himself, CHEATING IS NEVER THE ANSWER. When everyone else is saying "good for Jon", I still find him despicable.

Yes, these are real people, BUT, they put themselves in the public eye, thus they have to expect publicity.
I would think it would be awful to have a "lose it" moment and have that caught for all to see, but that's part of the fame and fortune she chose.

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by mojo

Yes, these are real people, BUT, they put themselves in the public eye, thus they have to expect publicity.
I would think it would be awful to have a "lose it" moment and have that caught for all to see, but that's part of the fame and fortune she chose.

At the end of the day they ran with an offer that would allow them to provide a much better life for their children. Little did they realize or fully understand how much they stood to loose by living in a fishbowl.

Kate grew up poor and living in a trailer park so I can see why she wanted to push the envelope to provide a better life for her children. As for him he should be thankful that she did all that she has done to keep the show going. He didn't make much as an IT guy and it sure wasn't going to cover raising all those children. With that many small children there is no way in hell they could afford to both work and pay for child care.

It's very sad because those children are in for such a hell of a change. I am thankful that they will allow the kids to remain in that house. At least that bit of stability will be good for them. If I were Kate I would continue to live in the house and let him come and spend his time with them.

The whole thing is very bitter sweet. I think if given the opportunity she would have have tried to salvage her marriage. I see selfishness in him and just him worrying about himself. He is super angry and should have sought out counseling for his issues before turning to another woman to make him feel like a man. Not the true actions of a real man.

I don't belive that a couple should remain in a marriage just because but I think you should put every effort forth to work on that marriage before walkin away.

They should have sought out the help of their pastor or a counselor and gave it an extra hard try because of the kids.

[Jemma]

Originally Posted by manolos mom

I love her hair, but she is an a##. I saw the tabloids yesterday and they had a pic of her hitting her daughter in public. She knows she is being followed everywhere, why the heck spank her child in public.

She spanked her in their own yard. I have no problem with a child getting a little spank on their butt. Today, the laws have it that we can't be parents to our own children. Laws say, don't hit your child, it's against the law. BS. I don't believe in excess or abuse. No state tells me how to raise my children. They didn't give birth to them, I did. A spanking never hurt me as a child. I'd rather use time out, but there were times.........
If she never disciplined her children because tabloids might be watching her, well then her kids would never be disciplined. I don't like Kate but she hit it right when she said, parent first. She is correct there.
I like her style hair cut too, but it's not for me.

[Jemma]

Originally Posted by Bizzymammabee

Honestly they are both pathetic. He is a real piece of work. In his interview he says "I have to do what is right for me" then he realizes he needs to add the children. You know he is just pathetic and I have no respect for him. No matter what type of a shrew she was his marriage was worth more than what he put into it. He could easily have opened his mouth and grown a pair of balls and they could have sought out counseling.

The second thing he said was that he missed out on a lot and he is only 32 and can start that next chapter. How hideous is that to say. He should have thought that he needed to sow wild oats before he got married etc. Now we have these 8 innocent children in the middle of this whole mess.

They both forgot what was important..their vows and their family that they decided to make. She let making money get to her head but honestly he never seemed like a man with much ambition to me.

If you feel like less of a man then get your self a job and contribute to your household. Doing that show was a blessing. Who else gets to be home and watch their children grow.

If he is not happy about the show then you shouldn't be willy nilly spending the money you earn from it. It should be put into trust for your children.

I am so sad and disgusted right now. Those children deserve better. He checked out of his marriage way before this split.

I in no way condone the way she got on him but at the same time it's hard enough raising 8 children to have to add a lazy husband that was happy to let you run the show because it meant less work for him.

If John were my brother I would have taken a bat to him. How do you profess to love your children when your actions just indicate the exact opposite. His older girls have friends who I am sure their mammas read tabloids. When things started getting hinky he had to know that information would trickle back and hurt his girls. He should have just seperated from Kate instead of acting like some hormonal teenager and letting that all get out where his girls would find out.

If I were Kate I would have whipped her a$$. No matter what problems a marriage is having you never ever get in the middle of that. They had children. If Kate were my sister you best to be sure I would be looking for that girl to give her the beating of a life time. If she were interested in him she should have acted like a smart woman and said you know what when your a single man come and see me but in the interim I will not be a homewrecker. She knew the man was a father with 8 children. God is going to punish her for her nastiness. Let's see how long she will be interested in him when he is making next to nothing and paying child support out the yang. I would take his a$$ to the cleaners because his infidelity is easily documented.

I feel bad for her. No matter how bad things were they could have gotten counseling, he could have opened his mouth and stepped up like a man. They could have and should have tried to fix their marriage and honor those vows before ever stepping outside of that. No matter what he never should have treated her that way and wrecked his family like that. Kate could be called a lot of things but no woman or man should be disrespected and treated like that. Cheating is not the answer to anything.

I hope he lives to regret his stupid decision and see what he gave up to sow his wild oats and live this youth that he feels he missed.

She is a strong woman and will move on from this whole mess and make the best of things. She will easily find someone and let's see how he likes it when he sees that she has moved on.

The biggest loser in all of this are those beautiful children.

I believe everything happened to fast for jon to handle. I also think he fell into a helluva identity crisis. Where did he belong? What was his role?
He was made to stay home and be with the kids while his wife ran the circuit about her books and tours. He did let her walk all over him, he allowed that and he should not have. Maybe he was the better person on TV not airing back what she was giving him. You can't have so little respect for your husband as to rule the roost in front of millions.
Let's not forget that she was accused of having a affair with her body guard. And their older daughter told Daddy, Mom was kissing him in the room.
They are both wrong, not just Jon. Kate's not a loser here. Most of the shows will still concentrate on her and the children. So she's a winner.
Jon on the other hand can now go out and get a job and feel like a man again.
Personally with her on the run all the time, I don't know where she gets off saying, he won't communicate with her. Maybe he needs to make a appointment.
And Kate has help all over the place. She isn't raising their kids alone. There are many workers there helping with the kids.
Truth is, none of us will ever know the real story. Only what we hear them say and what the tabloids want us to hear. Which is all BS
I wish them both luck. And the children? May God watch over them always

[TatumsMom]

Originally Posted by chloesMama

Kate is just way to full of herself. A quote from Kate..."It's MINE ALL MINE as far as the eye can see." .... That says ALOT about her.

This is exactly the quote that came to mind last night when she said (something to the effect) that the house was for the kids. It's theirs - that's why her and Jon will take turns staying there with them. Oh?? Theirs? What about "mine, mine, all mine!".

[TatumsMom]

I think that the one thing that really got to me last night was Kate saying how she didn't want to do it alone and how she was so lonely. Well Kate, who was the one who ran off all family and friends who were so eager to be a part of the children's lives?? That is the sad thing.... I can't imagine raising my TWO kids without the help of all the family I have in our small town. She brought that one on herself unfortunately.

Jon, on the other hand, he just needs to grow up. I do agree that Kate pushed and pushed until he broke but dude, get some cojones and stand up and be a part of the family. Not whine and groan about "I don't even know who I am anymore.... I'm just Jon and Kate plus 8". I don't think we can pin this on either one of them exclusively. It was a joint effort to ruin this marriage and now the kids will pay for it.

[AngelWorks]

I don't think we can pin this on either one of them exclusively. It was a joint effort to ruin this marriage and now the kids will pay for it.
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She shoots------------she SCORES!!!!!

In other words, I agree.

[TatumsMom]

Originally Posted by AngelWorks

She shoots------------she SCORES!!!!!

In other words, I agree.

LOL Actually that was kinda hard for me to say because all along I've felt sorry for Jon and how Kate treats him but lately he's really starting to show his whiney, selfish side so I have to give them both credit for this mess.

[Bizzymammabee]

Originally Posted by TatumsMom

LOL Actually that was kinda hard for me to say because all along I've felt sorry for Jon and how Kate treats him but lately he's really starting to show his whiney, selfish side so I have to give them both credit for this mess.

Definitely a big old mess. They really lost themselves and what was the most important thing in the whole fiasco. Family, love and their marriage should be worth more than what the tv station is paying them.

They both contributed widely to that whole melt down. I think he shoudl have grown a pair and fought his marriage including seeing a counselor so they could mediate the situation...instead of taking the coward and self centered way out and running around and cheating. Either way they both did a number on those kids.

[AngelWorks]

Originally Posted by TatumsMom

LOL Actually that was kinda hard for me to say because all along I've felt sorry for Jon and how Kate treats him but lately he's really starting to show his whiney, selfish side so I have to give them both credit for this mess.

It always takes two and there is always more that we don't know.

There are no winners in this family. The eight little ones are the most innocent of the losers though.

[roxies_mom]

I was a little dusgusted by Jon's comment that he finally stood on his own 2 feet. Good Lord....standing on your own 2 feet and walking out on your wife and kids is not standing up for yourself it's the cowards way out. This guy obviously wants to go out and play and screw around with no strings. I've never been real fond of Kate and how she handles him but.....she did say she's tried to get him to open up and discuss things with her. He wouldn't even listen to her concerns about where and why the crooked houses she be put closer to the house. He just shut her down and said too bad and hung up on her. What a piece of work! I can see by the way he was interviewing last night that he's holding alot back and doesn't like to show much emotion. Be a man and show some emotion. For awhile I felt sorry for him but after what I saw out of him last night pffft no more. He's a balless coward!

[Bizzymammabee]

I forsee him seeing the children less and less once the show is off the air. He mentioned well things will change now and if I get a job I will see them even less. Umm fool you need a real job and need to start acting like a man.

He is definitely a wimp that took the easy way out. Can you imagine a man with 8 kids and no real job looking at a $3500 a month apt. I should think that he would be better situated living within a short distance from his children so that seeing them could be easy especially if one of the kids needs their daddy...which they will during this time of adjustment.

I want to see how long the chick he cheated with is around. The thrill of having something she shouldn't will run out now that he is a free man. Also when the show is done and he is scratching for a job in this crappy economy will she help support him and his children. It's always fun to be the mistress that can spend that money and take the trips. But when it's time to pay the piper and keep house and take care of business that now includes a ready made family of 8 children it's not so much fun anymore.

I think he is a big idiot to also have wanted to put those houses out in the woods. Hello even if the kids go as a huge group to play would you really want your 5 year olds playing in the woods. Dumb as a box of rocks if you ask me. Even the contractors putting up the houses realized what she was saying was right.

[Wylie's Mom]

I cannot believe that they are going to continue to play out their lives, in the midst of a divorce, on reality TV. It's disgusting. Where is Child Protective Services?

[Bizzymammabee]

Technically as long as the kids are being fed and taken care of CPS has no basis to step in. I think that the network should pull the plug on the show...but we know how it goes..the all mighty buck comes before anything else.

The biggest problem comes in when they have to support those kids. Like kate said they are both sort of stuck because the show is their career. So even when it ends she has to really hustle to support them. There is no way on a nursing salary she can do that.

[Erin]

You guys keep blaming Jon, and while he may very well be equally responsible, we do not know the entire story. According to Kate's family, Kate called it off a while back but told him he had to keep living at home and keep up the act for the cameras. So if that is true, he wasn't cheating on her as they were already separated. He just got caught when he was supposed to be quiet about it. That's probably why he's not been as apologetic. It's also where the "Standing up for himself" comment came from. He doesn't want to do the show and she does. Why would anyone force their spouse to participate in the production if they don't want to? If they were careful with their money, they would easily have enough for college for the kids - they make around $50,000 a episode. Her book deal paid for that house (which is gorgeous, but they could have bought a 5 bedroom house for half as much if they were so worried about money.)

Also, Kate has like 11 "helpers" - chef, nanny, laundry service. She's not doing this alone but she sure wants you to think she is. She is playing the victim. She spends 20 days a month on her book/speaking tour. Watch their interviews and notice how all Kate says is "the show must go on" and Jon just keeps talking about how he's going to see his kids. You can also see their interaction - Jon plays with and enjoys his kids, Kate seems to find them to be props at best.

Of course everyone wishes they would work it out for their kids. But anyone who has seen the show can see that they do not get along. They need to stop the show, focus on the kids, and stop lying to the public and people will stop caring about their every shopping trip. The media only became interested because it was a scandal - because they were lying to their audience. If they come clean and stop lying they won't be on the front page of the tabloids much longer.

I agree about the "guest stars" How about Supernanny?