YT at night

[kewtee]

I have been on this forum for a few months now and I like it so much
It is much better than Danish forums because people are more considerate and supportive.
But I sometimes feel I miss a lot!
Obviously I sleep during YT's peek hour - where you all come to chat and have fun.
First of all I really miss being a part of that too, I am sure you have so much fun and interesting conversations on the chat.
Second of all, every conflict there is begins, escalates and stops during peel hour - and that means that I often wake up to read what has happened while I slept - someone got banned, someone lied, someone said something nasty.
And I am never there to be a part of the team that tries to soothe things down. Sometimes I feel a little cheated because Admin usually closes bad threads long before I get a chance to write something in them.
To me that comes of as a kind of censurship, as if it is not ok to disagree, to argue or be mad at each other on YT - it is probably just because I am not there but sleep through it all, but it still gives me a weird feeling of lack of freedom of speech.
I wish someone can tell me - Admin or anyone - that this is in fact not the case and that it really is because I sleep through it all.

The reason I need an explanation is that I can feel I start being worried that I might say something wrong and get my threads locked or be banned for just asking a question or commenting on something - I KNOW this won't happen in my head, but in my heart I am still a bit scared of being rejected from YT.

So anyone please explain to me the nature of things, so I can stop worrying

[Yorkie_Mama]

hi from the states i am always on late too so hello to another late nighter i need to stop drinking Ice tea after dark im so wired.

[alaskayorkie]

Aw, Kewtee, I feel bad for you not being able to play! Especially since I know how funny you are. Don't give up. Your wit and wisdom is still as delightful whether you're online live or not.

As for your questions, I can't speak with any authority about admin's policies. I've only been a member of this forum for a few months. But I can speak a little about freedom of speech. It is both a right and a privilege. While we can say whatever we please, we have to be responsible for what we say. You can shout in church, but you will probably be asked to leave if it disrupts the congregation. That freedom can indeed be taken away. You can speak out against the president, but if you do so at the Republican National Convention, you will likely be shown the door because it is a private gathering for the purpose of re-electing the president. That freedom can be taken away.

But for each topic, there is a forum for your comments. You can speak out against the church in the newspaper or on television or in a meeting with church members. You can speak out against a Republican president at the Democratic National Convention or in the media or in online forums asking for public comment.

I see Yorkietalk like that. It is a club with a written purpose: Discussions about Yorkies. When topics stray from Yorkies, a well-run administration has a responsibility to get it back on track. They're not saying you can't talk about other things, you just can't talk about other things here when it distracts people from talking about Yorkies and when it distracts admin from facilitating talk about Yorkies. If admin is having too much of its limited time policing threads unrelated to Yorkies to make sure people aren't slandering each other, then it has a responsiblity to shut the thread down and steer the topic back to Yorkies.

And anyone who disagrees has the freedom to go to another forum and discuss other topics.

But again, I speak with no authority on this site. I'm just a guy here to learn about Yorkies.

[rnnw62]

From another late night states person who has been around
during the heat of the day....I have to say that Alaska Yorkie
couldn't have said it better! I see it exactly as he does in
regard to the admn. I think they do a pretty good job!

[Joy]

Originally Posted by alaskayorkie

Aw, Kewtee, I feel bad for you not being able to play! Especially since I know how funny you are. Don't give up. Your wit and wisdom is still as delightful whether you're online live or not.

As for your questions, I can't speak with any authority about admin's policies. I've only been a member of this forum for a few months. But I can speak a little about freedom of speech. It is both a right and a privilege. While we can say whatever we please, we have to be responsible for what we say. You can shout in church, but you will probably be asked to leave if it disrupts the congregation. That freedom can indeed be taken away. You can speak out against the president, but if you do so at the Republican National Convention, you will likely be shown the door because it is a private gathering for the purpose of re-electing the president. That freedom can be taken away.

But for each topic, there is a forum for your comments. You can speak out against the church in the newspaper or on television or in a meeting with church members. You can speak out against a Republican president at the Democratic National Convention or in the media or in online forums asking for public comment.

I see Yorkietalk like that. It is a club with a written purpose: Discussions about Yorkies. When topics stray from Yorkies, a well-run administration has a responsibility to get it back on track. They're not saying you can't talk about other things, you just can't talk about other things here when it distracts people from talking about Yorkies and when it distracts admin from facilitating talk about Yorkies. If admin is having too much of its limited time policing threads unrelated to Yorkies to make sure people aren't slandering each other, then it has a responsiblity to shut the thread down and steer the topic back to Yorkies.

And anyone who disagrees has the freedom to go to another forum and discuss other topics.

But again, I speak with no authority on this site. I'm just a guy here to learn about Yorkies.

I understand what your trying to say here but this isn't a Church nor is it a Convention and if your going to allow an off topic discussion forum then I do not believe it should be censored. I've also been a member of YT for a few months and its no secret to other members here that most of the problems on YT stem from this forum. At least mine have.
I was once told on a post during a heated thread two weeks ago, that was about politics, that it was ok to bash anyone and anything as long as they weren't a Yorkie Talk member. Is this a true statement?
I'm choosing my words carefully because I feel I have to and to me thats a shame.
This is not a private club. Its a public forum. In America. Censorship is never a good thing. IMHO.

[suzysmitt]

I think admin. does a great job myself. It's ok to disagree in a civalized way, but I don't think it's right to attack other members. We do have a way to PM someone if we don't agree with them, and keep it off the board so everyone doesn't have to get in an uproar. I think if you have a problem with someone you should try to work it out yourselfs, and not get the whole forum involved.

[schatzie]

Originally Posted by suzysmitt

I think admin. does a great job myself. It's ok to disagree in a civalized way, but I don't think it's right to attack other members. We do have a way to PM someone if we don't agree with them, and keep it off the board so everyone doesn't have to get in an uproar. I think if you have a problem with someone you should try to work it out yourselfs, and not get the whole forum involved.

Very well said. With so many members there will be from time to time situations to work out. As mentioned, if it's a personal matter with another member, please send a PM. If it's questions or concerns with Admin, then by all means speak to Admin. In my opinion it really doesn't help to post all concerns in the forum for every member to be involved. Admin is always there to help and hear our suggestions/thoughts.

I feel YT is moving in a wonderful direction due to it's members. Let's continue to keep it moving positive and remain focused on the reason why we are all here to begin with, and that is YORKIE'S.

[kewtee]

Wow Alaskayorkie - that was some response!
As I read your answer it was perfectly clear to me why and how admin reacts - and I see very clearly the nessecity (sp?) of locking threads.

I also see from the answers that a thread can take a wrong turn in a heartbeat turning from one topic to the next, from my question to wether the admin is doing a great job - which was not my question.

I also remembered another thing - I always advise my clients to stop using SMS to communicate anything but informative message "I'll be 10 mins late" "plz buy milk on your way home" etc - no arguing, questioning or discussing.
I do this because arguments can turn out bad so fast because the parties can't see each other and therefore sometimes looses their sense of responsability.
I have seen so many hurt people from SMS quarrels - and they are much harder to solve than face-to-face quarrels

And of cause the EXACT same applies to yorkietalk - we can be supportive, informative and enlightening, but if we argue we might end up hurting each other - without wanting to of course!

We may not be a church but in some ways we are "the cult of people who loves yorkies" - and I like that!

Thank you all for sharing your point of view with me on this, now my head can rest easy on my pillow every night

[chewysmom]

The reason I need an explanation is that I can feel I start being worried that I might say something wrong and get my threads locked or be banned for just asking a question or commenting on something - I KNOW this won't happen in my head, but in my heart I am still a bit scared of being rejected from YT.

Unfortunately, Kewtee, your fears are warranted. YT has become a place where it's members cannot speak freely with the penalties being locked threads, suspensions and banning. That is why so many people have left this site over the past few days.

[txshopper73]

Admin does a wonderful job but they simply cannot monitor what goes on YT 24 hours a day. What you see when you log on...threads being closed...chances are they were closed for personal attacks. Yes, there are sometimes portions of the thread that are deleted. I got called a bit** by someone a couple of times on a thread and not only was it closed but her comments were deleted, too.

I've never seen a political thread that said that we could bash others as long as it wasn't a YT member. This is a g-rated site although sometimes it get's to be a pg site. To those that like to bash others and talk trash, there are other forums that you can do that on since they don't monitor as closely. You can even talk trash about people that aren't there to defend themselves.

I too don't always catch the controversial threads. Lots of times they are closed before I can get there and I think, "Wow! I could have said something". But that's okay. You can't catch them all.

I don't consider closing of threads censorship. Lots of people get hurt and it's sad when you go from disagreeing with something to out right name calling. It happens more often then you realize...since you're sleeping

[red98vett]

well - I guess I can comment - many threads are getting closed that LOOK like they could get heated - I may not agree with that ...but do understand when they get really personal - they should be locked. We all have opinions but when it gets 'hot' I agree no name calling should be done. But you have to admit - some posts scream for drama and it's sometimes hard not to post.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Kewtee~ You are very astute and I agree with Eddie's Father, Schatzie, Suzsmitt and txshopper73.

There is a history of this site that may help explain why so many rules have had to be implemented to keep it civil and respectful. This is just my perspective and is only my opinion. Others may and do see it differently.

Different internet sites have different rules and I have been on a few. I have never been suspended from this forum because I know the rules and I follow them. ON sites with no rules anyone can be banned just for disagreeing with someone, having a different point of view or for NO REASON AT ALL!! The suspensions that occur here occur as a result of a direct violation of the rules.

I know because I was banned from a site with "No rules" when I defended a breeder who was wrongly accused of stealing a photo off the internet by one of its most popular members. Not only was I banned but I was publicly humiliated in thread after thread although I was sending urgent PMs to the admin there asking for HELP but she was RARELY on. When she returned the popular member convinced her to ban me without so much as a warning...no suspension or even explanation. I am still attacked on that site constantly and there are now members there who know me well enough to defend me since I cannot defend myself and I appreciate them greatly.

My threads are closed here quite frequently because I seem to be a target for those negative members who are also members on the other site where I was banned, and they like to "bait", push buttons and name call until they get suspended or the thread is closed. They have made things as uncontroversial as service dogs, chocolate, and coccicidia controversial. These are not posts that "scream for drama". There is nothing that can be done about this immature behavior and I appreciate admin and the YT TEAM for all they do in that area because it is hard work. It has increased their work load signficantly...that and the sheer number of members we have here.

That other site got really slow recently and a great many of the members left or became more regular over here where things are hopping. Many had joined when another site they were regulars on went down but they left as soon as "THEIR" site was ready and only visited here occasionally. It is an interesting dynamic to me to see the migration as now many members here have been "recruited". I love admin's philosophy about this as well since he welcomes EVERYONE and he is not in the least bit prejudiced against other sites or members of other sites, but rather states that anyone is welcome on YT as long as they follow the rules and respect the members here.

There is no site that is "drama free" unfortunately despite some statements I have read recently refuting this, but the team here is the BEST I have experienced at handling situations fairly, quickly and professionally so no one gets too badly hurt. There is NO FAVORTISM and no special treatment. Admin here cannot be bought and is impartial. The rules are clear and written. He is not perfect and we had a real hard time in the beginning because I was such a "TARGET" and it was so time consuming to monitor. I offered to quit and he almost accepted...lol...but the members rallied in my favor and things have been significantly better.

It is more clear than ever now who the "pot stirrers" are and, although they haven't learned how to follow the rules, they have had to become much more creative in their "attacks" to avoid disciplinary action. We have admin and his team to thank for this.

We do live in a very litigious society and banning someone from a forum with no written rules and for no reason, or the wrong reasons is defamation under our laws and is actionable. An admin who allows defamation and libel to go on can also potentially subject the site to liability and lawsuits have happened and are happpening more and more frequently as a result of this. It is not okay to "write whatever you want" even under the freedom of speech auspices because you are not free to "lie" or tell untruths, anything that you are not 100% sure of. It is not only not morally correct but it is irresponsible and potentially damaging to others. This does not mean that we should be afraid to express our opinions, but simply state that is is your OPINION and there is never a problem. It's that simple!

YT is the BEST around and is getting better and stronger everyday. There will always be people who cannot be respectful and post in a civil manner when they run into a different point of view from their own, and so admin will never be free to let down his guard completely, but it is my hope that the degree to which it happens now will lessen as we weed out those who continually and childishly attack others.

[chewysmom]

What about other members here that are publicly humiliated with no action? What you say about this site being impartial is simply not true. People just stating their opinions are banned while others who go to great lenths to post attacking and humiliating threads about people are raised to be on some sort of pedestal. The site administration here clearly picks and chooses who they hand out their punishments to.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by chewysmom

What you say about this site being impartial is simply not true. People just stating their opinions are banned while others who go to great lenths to post attacking and humiliating threads about people are raised to be on some sort of pedestal. The site administration here clearly picks and chooses who they hand out their punishments to.

we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. There was a thread posted recently that had been deleted purposely choosing a YT member and then trashed her relentlessly. I know for a fact because not only did I read it but I posted on it as well. The reason for it's deletion was that Villette stepped in and pm-d admin requesting that it be deleted. I hope to see no more of those kind of posts.

As with this site, the only one's that I've seen banned or suspended are the ones that made some type of personal attack. Whether it was slight or out right name calling was uncalled for and the punishment fit the crime. No matter how upset someone makes you for posting their opinion, it is just that...their opinion and as a grown up, you should be able to maintain your composure...and no, I'm not speaking directly to you but as a whole. Then again, I may have missed some posts.

The CSI team that you may be referring to was done outside of YT so that the members would remain annonymous. I agree with you that certain thread should not have been posted and yes, it was very humiliating but I just hope that we can go on with our lives and talk about what this site is about...YORKIES!

[red98vett]

Hmmmm....After reading this thread I can remember someone threatening to SUE me and honestly I can't even remember why. Why would anyone go that far ?

Why all these long posts about a simple thread about YT at night ? Why keep bringing up so much past forgotton stuff and just stick with the thread topic ...it's great reading peoples ideas but I totally forgot what the topic is here now.